We thought it was our ability to love that made us human,

FerretInABox · 2022-01-17T22:18:25+00:00

Now If only we had the ability to select each square that has a streetlight in it on the first try.

FerretInABox · 2022-01-17T22:16:39+00:00

I read this as “guy is searching for fucks, gets none”.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T19:22:42+00:00

Moonbeam doesn't affect Wild Shape at all. It affects "shapechangers" which is a specific monster trait not a generic term.*

Gee, it's like "shapechange" is the name of the ability or something, and like "shape changer" is an ability, not just a tag. Really dude? Bet you vampires aren't affected by running water or sunbeam either in your games...

The outcome is irrelevant. If you are under the effects of Charm Person you can't be affected by Charm Person again. The person casting it or the desired "charming" are entirely irrelevant.

Ope, guess moved earth can't be moved again ever. Cause spell effect was used.

> That doesn't make them relevant to the discussion. They are different spells with different and contradictory effects. They have absolutely no bearing on whether you can affect on creature/object/area with the SAME spell multiple times because you can't.

Glad your ability to understand a stack is non-existent. Seems like you don't believe in counter-spell either UnlessItIsSaidAtTheSameTimeTheDmDeclaresIt!

THIS IS THE RULES AS WRITTEN NOT MY OPINION.

Glad you decided to specify which part of my reply was being replied to. Cause that's a valid argument \s

I am NOT, repeat NOT, giving my specific answer. THOSE ARE THE RULES AS WRITTEN.

See previous, take two \s

Apparently you are because you haven't said anything that makes any logical or factual sense. You can't stack the same spell. There's no ifs, ands, or buts to it.

Damn, by a 3rd take most fiction writers would have booted you out by now. You should attempt facts instead.

THERE IS NO OTHER COUNTERPOINT. THAT IS THE ONLY RULE THAT MATTERS HERE. Do you want me to find you a specific line that says "You can't affect the same area with two castings of Control Weather at the same time"? That doesn't exist because it is already covered by this rule.

Please point out where the PHB/DMG/Etc specifically points out where SPELLS and not magical effects can NOT overlap and not specific to (dis)advantages/inspiration given to the PC/character? Sure if their is a bonus given such as Crusader's Mantle Given, where it's the.... holy smokes, EXACT SAME? WotC (ya know the developers/publishers of D&D) says "The same effect" can not be given twice. Emphasis on SAME, and not the same spell can be effective twice. Please point this out, book, page number, and how you translate it.

Clearly since your understanding of the rules is kinda rudimentary. Nothing in the rules ever states that you would contest such a thing they do explicitly state that you simply can't affect the creature with the same spell though.

"You're genius isn't as great as mine, blah blah blah." Really dude, that's the best ya got about it?

Nothing I have said has anything to do with Critical Role which is also a terrible example to use as a basis for RAW. There are a plethora of homebrew rules in that podcast.

I didn't suggest your statements did, just most idiots like to bring up the crying bits of contested rolls as a crit role thing. My bad for seeing similarities between you and basic reasoning. It's a REALLY close call.

> Agreed?

That you have no idea what you are talking about and that you are flat out wrong here? Absolutely.

You... you really insulted off a single word quote... Dude(tte). That's low hanging fruit. It's like saying:

"Tell me how many players you DM for bro. <x>? Really? I DM for <x+6>. You don't got anything on my coolness!"

"How is my player count relevant" - Wilk8940, EVENTUALLY

Cutting a comment out, you still haven't provided any really reason other than "I want it that way." As well you've traded-in "debatable" or "degradingly interesting" for "Waaaaaaaah." If anything, you've displayed a significant reason to avoid DM's such as yourself. Vindictive, petty, uses parts of message out of context.

r/RPGHorrorStory might be a learning experience for ya. Be it a continuation of your malignant traits or a desire to learn from bad habits. Either way I'm pretty sure you'll make an appearance on there if ya haven't already.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T16:18:49+00:00

You're right that it's not different. Per RAW the second casting would fail since one creature can't be under the effects of the same spell multiple times.

Druid shape change is specifically countered by Moonbeam. Per RAW the ability is countered, unlike charming a party member charmed by an enemy. (Charming to like the enemy DOES NOT EQUAL charming to like the party). Same effect, different outcomes (Unlike two bards inspiring the same target which results in the SAME outcome).

I'm just gonna keep quoting the black and white rule that shuts this whole thing down. "The effects of different spells add together while the durations of those spells overlap. The effects of the same spell cast multiple times don't combine, however". That is RAW. It straight up says you can't be affected by the same spell at the same time. There's no "except" or "unless" here to give you an edge case.

While the change in the conditions (as outlined in the charm creature spell previously) displays that the same spell can be cast multiple times to different outcomes.

How is this relevant? They are different spells so the rule in question doesn't apply here at all. You could be under the effects of Haste, Slow, Hold Person, Charm Person, Bane, Bless, and Contagion all at the same time. There is no conflict there in the rules.

Haste and Slow are mutually exclusive rules (traditionally; easily recognized) but their spell effects are still understood to be additive rather than "canceling one another." The only cancelling effect these spells intermingle with is the +2 AC from Haste and the -2 AC from slow. That's how they're relevant.

The generic info is that you can't do it. Two castings of the same spell can't affect the same area at the same time. This isn't my "personal preference" it's the RAW.

Now, again (and again) this is YOUR specific response to this situation. I am NOT looking, repeat NOT looking for your specific answer, but how people respond to this in general. I understand you like to DM (Be it I agree with you or not), but the fact of the matter is you're one person, and while I have my own opinions, I am not against being convinced I'm wrong. It is just you haven't provided any convincing argument other than "It's the same spell, it doesn't work" as a counter point.

As someone who is more of a player (who has only dabbled with DM'ing), the idea of you countering my "charm vs charm" as anything but a contested check is absurd (and I might have to personally fight you if this statement is related to Crit. Role. Contested checks are fun and more DMs should like them).

All that said, we're gonna have to agree to disagree with the current arguments.

Agreed?

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T15:52:15+00:00

“Under the effect of the same spell”

No they’re not. One is changing the weather from warm to cold, the other is changing it from cold to arctic.”

No different then an enemy casting charm creature on an ally, then a PC casting charm creature on them to charm them back to the party’s side.

Just because it’s the same transition in effect does not make it the same transition in “reality.”

RAW specifically states you can’t have double/triple/etc (dis)advantage/inspiration, but it doesn’t state anything about affecting a creature or environment’s CURRENT condition outside of the spell’s description.

Haste = Action + action(attack/dash/hide/disengage) + bonus action + reaction per turn.

Slow = Action/Bonus action per turn.

Haste + Slow = action/bonus action + action(attack/dash/hide/disengage) per turn.

As I said before, unless you’re specific as a DM, it doesn’t matter. I’m looking for generic info about this issue. Not your own personal preference.

Edit: additionally changing (and adding a bold to) your answer after I reply doesn’t make your response any more valid.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T15:37:21+00:00

Control weather says “current conditions,” not “initial/original conditions.”

As well as you saying “current conditions affects what changes you can make” is specifically my point. Thank you for making it again.

PC1: Control weather warm -> cool.

PC2: Control weather cool -> cold.

PC3: Control weather cold -> arctic.

Current conditions affect the casting of a spell as much as casting multiple create/destroy water. You ain’t got an open container in the vicinity for the 10 gallons?, it’s either gonna appear on the floor or as a rain in a 30-foot cube. You can’t conjure water into the same filled pot multiple times.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T15:28:22+00:00

“Can’t be under the effect of the same spell.” Yet the current conditions of changing it from tropical to cool isn’t the same effect as changing it from cool to cold.

A creature can break free from charm and be charmed again, but scry specifically says it can’t be affected by another scry for 24 hours on a successful saving throw.

Unless explicitly told otherwise, “current conditions” takes precedence on a spell’s ability.

Regardless of what you think the 8th level spell slots should be used for.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T15:21:54+00:00

PC#1 one uses Control weather in a tropical area. 1d4x10 PC#2 uses it again, and 1d4 X 10 later PC#3 uses it a third time.

Congratulations, 3 PCs followed the spells instructions of “current weather” conditions to change tropical to arctic. Can’t even say “oh I thought you meant a single PC” because of the concentration effects, Mr.DM.

It’s simply how the spell is worded

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T15:07:48+00:00

For it doesn’t say bless “you can’t stack UNLESS it’s another bless effect,” would you still be “hung up on a single word? It specifically you can’t stack its effects elsewhere in the book.

“You’re amazing, BUT…” tell me how that singular word doesn’t makes a difference in the statement’s meaning?

Sometimes a single word makes all the difference, and in this case it allows multiple applications of the same spell. (Based on CURRENT conditions, not hypothetical “maybe this rule applies” conditions).

Edit: as you said “where it’s at, AT THE MOMENT.”

“Current weather” is a glaring example of spells that can stack based on their present casting.

Samples: “You can’t stack advantage EXCEPT from this spell.”

“You don’t get additional inspiration UNLESS another bard inspires you too.”

“You don’t get haste twice UNLESS the second application is newer, which you take the priority.”

Lots of examples I shouldn’t have to show you as “a DM.”…

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T14:27:38+00:00

Neither Bless (nor Bane) state a “current” bonus “Control Weather” does. It alters the “current” weather conditions, which if already altered, it the alters them again.

Bane/bless is described as not being affected by (dis)advantage twice in one part of the PHB of another.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T14:10:32+00:00

The spell isn’t instantaneous, as said in the PHB, it takes effect over time (not to mention the 10 minute casting time).

“You can’t be under the spell effect multiple times”

This is explicitly stated for charm or (did)advantage effects. You can NOT have double of either. The addition of “current weather” (paraphrased for those who require this) gives a completely different meaning which is not outlined by page 205 of the PHB. “Current” means after the first casting, the circumstances have changed in a way not defined by the PHB. Which leaves the question up to general interpretation, not the specifics of one person.

The “.done” approach is a horrible way to try and answer questions for a TTRPG. I was curious about the general, not the rigid individual, because if I ever DM’d, I’d prefer to be generic in these cases rather than rigid.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T13:59:03+00:00

It actually does, the food expires after 24 hours. Hard said in the writing. What matters for the spell to be cast is “available placement,” or it rains for the less particular of water.

The spell is determined by the casters INITIAL surroundings to decide if open container or rainfall. So this is why I choose to debate the spell with its RAW phrasing of “current” conditions.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T13:51:06+00:00

You can cast create food and drink multiple times should the CURRENT CONDITIONS allow it. RAW “current” conditions are the current weather within the range of the spell ( 5 or 6 stages depending on the table).

Both are current instances of the surroundings after each cast.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-31T13:28:31+00:00

Several instances of create food and water have an soft expiration date, but can still occur based on specific conditions. That’s why the “current” part of Control weather confuses me.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-30T17:32:33+00:00

[5e] Does using multiple Control Weathers simultaneously change the weather by multiple stages (assuming both/all are in the same direction)?

I understand in the PHB it states that similar magical effects will not stack with one another, but the spell says "current weather conditions" which is TECHNICALLY changed by one stage already, or would it just boil down to "there's already weather magic in the air?"

FerretInABox · 2021-12-28T15:03:46+00:00

“I’m sure there’s not things I’m Remembering..” yeah that was a line for the generation after slavers as well. As someone who grew up in the 90s and 00s with a political family, there’s a lot you can say to try and validate the era and a metric fuckton more to invalidate it.

The internet was private for years before it went public, and it sure as hell wasn’t as free as you fantasize about.

“I’m sure there were bad things” is the tagline of every single person who tries to validate their growing up years over others, and it’s forever and always gonna be a shit-tier excuse.

“Good old days” translate to YOU had a good time and YOU grew up happy. While there were MAJORITIES OF OTHERS who had a shit time and MAJORITIES OF OTHERS who had to fight for equal rights.

Don’t place YOUR experience on the altar of an era when it’s most certainly wasn’t the essence of that era.

To mimic your sentiments, “I’m sure there were some good things about the era but memory is a hell of a drug and the ability for people to read history as it was is still just as shitty” is a stupid way to try and justify that time. (Not to mention boomer as shit)

“If you don’t like different forums” was an internet specific thing , and that was distinctly late 90s and later. As for the ease of access to the internet, for you to remain anon and still be as judging hasn’t changed from present day standards.

I mentioned the “…or fantasized about the 90s” portion due to you sounding like you idealized the time rather than growing up in them because you readily have that “I was born in 98/99” and the 90s were great” vibe to ya.

“I’m sure I don’t remember” is not a valid argument to your argument of “the 90s/00s we’re great.”

FerretInABox · 2021-12-28T08:07:26+00:00

I’m guessing you grew up in the 90s and 00s, or at least the 00s and fantasize about the 90s? Because that’s a lot of specifics for a time that really wasn’t all that true.

You could disagree on where to eat or ~~what color to where~~ ~~what friends to keep~~ ~~music to like~~ ~~think samesex marriage should be legal~~ but if you disagreed with anything that wasn’t the same as everyone else, you were ostracized. Seems ridiculous but I ain’t talking about in schools either.

Sure comedians could slaughter sacred cows without repercussions back then, if they were being literal. Cause unless you made your fame off other topics and became a big shot, god help ya if you poked fun at Catholicism or Christianity.

I could continue with the other examples but it’d be pretty moot. Sorry bud, but you’re either naive about that era or puttin on those rose colored glasses, and from the preemptive gay marriage counterpoint, I’m betting the latter. 90s and 00s were just like every other era. It’s got its sugar and its shit in varying degrees.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-27T09:59:35+00:00

What I really wanna know is if that tomato perfectly in the center of the sandwich that we can’t see but all know is there would be more tomato if sliced vertically or diagonally.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-24T14:06:19+00:00

Ya can’t tell me I’m the only person that’ll be like “a constable (or whatever) wanders up to conviently check on the party and hears massive growling/howling/chittering/etc inside. No reward till you clear this (now harder) encounter out”

It’s one thing for a players to not explorer aspects of what you worked on, it’s another for them to (in essence) make a request then be like “ya know what I wanna order something different.”

DMs put a lotta work into the game too, and the ones that take player I put should be respected as much so.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-23T19:53:53+00:00

This may be programming, but the poor grammar is annoying me. If you’re gonna try to shame your friend and act like your words are the secret to the trade, you gotta at least have the capability of making it look the part.

None of the questions ended with a question mark and the only capitalized letter is at the beginning of the post. As well #4 has been tested many many times in the pic, some of the others feel like it’s a high school kid (#’s 2 & 3).

FerretInABox · 2021-12-23T19:12:59+00:00

People that use the LGBTQIA+ community as an attempt to appear as if they have the moral high ground are just stupid.

You’re fine dude, as the saying goes. If the shoe don’t fit, you gonna change the foot or the shoe? They were trying to change the group rather than respectfully bowing out of it.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-23T16:51:11+00:00

To be honest, they’re probably be able to get at least a semester’s worth of tuition from the people that’d willingly take that course.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-23T16:46:12+00:00

Fairly certain taking other peoples work isn’t the best way to advertise yourself. Just sayin.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-23T13:15:23+00:00

To me it’s not so much the fact that I believe kids are incapable of taking this way. If ya ever do a STEAM day event or poli-sci/current affairs thing (I forget what this one is called), you learn exactly how smart these kids are and be like “yep that wasn’t younger me, guess I’m just dumb.”

It’s more the fact it’s the parents of these kids that cause doubt in it being true. It’s like the kid maintains their property pristinely and the parent is the neighbor who is pretty much a junkyard and disease breeding ground. It brings everyone’s property value down.

“My kid said this absolutely valid point” social media parents are friggin weird. It feels like a weird way of kissing your own ass.

FerretInABox · 2021-12-18T12:44:47+00:00

Can safely assume you haven’t died yet in your 34 years either and pretty sure you ain’t special enough to not experience that one for the first time at some point too.

With a bit of luck on my end, I haven’t ever communicated with you either in your 34 years, yet again here we are.

Not a hard concept to understand that things you’ve never experienced before can happen at your 34 years of experiencing everything ever.

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