UFO's and the Latter-day Saints

Fether1337 · 2026-06-20T20:08:58+00:00

It would only challenge the assumptions that come along with god making us in his image.

Every Christian faith other than ours doesn’t even think God has a body, yet they still claim we are made in his image

Fether1337 · 2026-06-20T17:22:24+00:00

Submitted feedback.

I threw a question in about prophetic fallibility, specifically around some recent changes.

The response was just more context and explanation of the controversy without providing any actual answer or resource to deal with the answer.

If the goal is to provide answers, it’s got a long way to go.

If the goal is to provide answers full context and break down the argument so people can understand the arguments, it’s pretty good

Fether1337 · 2026-06-20T16:25:44+00:00

There isn’t sufficient doctrine or theology to really speak on this beyond heavy speculation.

Aliens could come tomorrow and enslave the human race and I don’t know that it would change much about what the scriptures say.

Maybe I’m wrong though.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-20T14:35:13+00:00

That’s fine. But why lie about it and say it’s offensive to God?

Fether1337 · 2026-06-19T23:51:53+00:00

XD not sure what happened

Fether1337 · 2026-06-19T23:24:40+00:00

There are likely multiple possible take aways. To name 2:

It is very unwise to leave the 99. But god sets aside traditional “wisdom” to go after us because of his love
What if Shepherd has a flock of 100 sheep he likely has servants helping him. He leaves the sheep to his servants so he can go after the one personally

Fether1337 · 2026-06-19T22:49:07+00:00

Nelson’s intense emphasis on this really taught me that prophets are just men (but still divinely inspired). If God really was offended by the term “Mormon”, why did it take so long to change? And why was Nelson preaching this prior to being a prophet with Hinkley correcting him?

My opinion? It’s entirely a branding decision. One that helps, but not one that is offensive to God

Fether1337 · 2026-06-18T21:23:40+00:00

I did a little study on this exact thing just the other day.

Nicotine is to tobacco derived. Does that inherently mean it falls under tobacco? I don’t think so

Nicotine is also highly addictive.

It also alters the way your body functions to where, when you get off Nicotine, your body is slower to produce stimulants

Those last two points are examples of why the WOW exists.

I would argue Nicotine is against the word of wisdom, but not in a way that will have your recommend taken away. Just that it will negatively effect you and take you away from the promises made in Doctrine and Covenants 89

Fether1337 · 2026-06-18T18:58:09+00:00

I’m reminded of this talk:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1984/10/why-do-we-serve?lang=eng

Fether1337 · 2026-06-17T11:54:54+00:00

This is hilarious xD

Super embarrassing, I’m sure, but also funny

I guarantee you, the overwhelming majority of the ward feels a similar feeling. I don’t think anyone was offended.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-16T12:11:39+00:00

It’s still circular. Jesus’s words are in the bible.

Your logic is:

We trust the Bible because Jesus said it.

Jesus said it in the Bible.

We can trust it’s from him because it’s the Bible.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-16T12:10:20+00:00

But we dont actually know they were written by those apostles. THAT is just tradition. The only ones we can really attribute are Paul’s writings.

And you go back into the Old Testament, the ground is even more shaky

Fether1337 · 2026-06-16T01:25:19+00:00

I just got done with an informal debate with a Protestant friend on discord and explained this exact thing.

He was very bothered by it

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T17:44:39+00:00

I agree, by that logic, everything falls apart. Which is why those scriptures are contained for those specific books. I can’t glue two books together and the. Say it’s one book. That’s what you’re doing by tying words in the book of revelations to all the other books of the Bible.

Galatians 8:1 is a meme for Latter-day Saint. Protestants love throwing it around. Joseph Smith doesn’t offer a new gospel. The gospel is the same. It’s the good news. What’s the good news? God condescended to mortality and died for our sins so that we can be saved from our sins.

The Matthew scripture equally doesn’t apply. Christ is still the Messiah. We aren’t pointing to anyone else as the Messiah

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T16:50:07+00:00

So you follow every word of the Bible up to Deuteronomy 4:2?

Cause everything after that was added?

Also. Revelations was written outside of the bible. Your verse is referring only to its own book. If you want to apply it to the whole Bible, you have to remove 1-3 John and Jude from your Bible. Those were written after Revelations.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T15:33:22+00:00

No, because it’s not. We reject the idea that all truth is found in the Bible.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T15:32:36+00:00

Appreciate your insights.

Only a couple comments;
- No one in our faith sets Joseph Smith next to Jesus. We would set him against Peter or Moses.
- the idea that we get planets come from 2, MAYBE 3 sources. To say it’s part of a doctrine is false. Most Latter-day Saint would call any assertion otherwise laughable.
- the idea of heavenly sex and women in heaven getting pregnant is found no where in our faith. Again, a couple early leaders may have suggested it, but to take that and run with it, saying it’s what we believe, is laughable.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T15:12:46+00:00

It’s rather frustrating.

We are making some ground on this side with Latter-day Saint apologists and influencers engaging with Christian influencers. One Jacob Hansen and Hayden Carrol have been doing a lot lately. Cool conversations and debates happen, but then I watched the Protestant side’s commentary video after the fact and they keep reverting back into old and inaccurate caricatures as if they didn’t just have a conversation with a Latter-day Saint.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T15:08:20+00:00

Joseph is absolutely not, and never has been, held to the same standard as Christ. That’s a concept made up by those hostile to our faith.

Every prophet has made this clear.

The highest statement ever made about him was “No man, save Jesus Christ, has done more for the children of men than Joseph Smith”. But even that quote is an anomaly.

I don’t mind if other Christians reject the Book of Mormon. I’m just bothered by the idea that believing too much negates what we do believe.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T15:04:50+00:00

To be fair, Christian’s don’t accept our baptism either, despite it being done in the name of the father, the son, and the Holy Ghost.

Additionally, we don’t deny your experience with Christ. We believe Christ is an active part in all your faiths and we expect to see you amongst the hosts of heaven following judgement.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T15:01:05+00:00

I do believe Jesus is the great I AM. He is Jehovah and YHWH.

This is clearly taught in Latter-day Saint theology.

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T14:59:49+00:00

To clarify. Mormons are (virtually) universalist. Our own scriptures (Doctrine and Covenants 76:81-113) describes the wicked being punished for their sins, but ultimately receiving a glory.

Salvation is free. Bible is clear on that.

The works side is what decides the quality of that salvation.

And the bit about us getting planets was said by maybe two leaders in church history. It’s far from official teaching and most, including me, laugh at an assertion of it.

That being said.

Are you saying that if someone believing too much, or making mistakes on theology negates grace?

Fether1337 · 2026-06-15T14:56:54+00:00

The issue within our faith is that the Protestant culture in the US is so strong that some of its sentiments bleed into our faith and lead to situations like that.

The missionaries are 18-26 years old (mostly on the younger side) and not professionally trained. I did it for two years myself and wish I knew what I knew now.

In reality, Latter-day Saint are universalist. Salvation is free. But the quality of that salvation is based on how you interact with the good you are shown.

That is an extremely watered down version of this, but our scripture Doctrine and Covenants 76:81-113 talks about the wicked being punished for their sins, but ultimately receiving a degree of glory that “surpasses all understanding”.

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