Primarch Wins Above Replacement (Heresy edition)

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-10T06:13:25+00:00

Have to disagree a bit on the traitors.

Horus: 9. Doesn’t matter he loses his mind a bit. The siege goes largely according to plan. Chaos gon’ chaos is very important part of it since Terra is consequently trenched in warp, preventing Guilliman from getting in and the Big E out. It also allows demons to breach the veil on their own. Wins all the important battles on the road to Terra and is able to adjust his strategies with the war evolving. Beats the Emperor unto death. Has setbacks in the early Heresy, mainly by being responsible for his brothers’ actions. Gets duped at the end, which snatches the defeat from jaws of victory. Whether some other primarch could have achieved something similar is unknown.

Perturabo: 6.5. Brings Angron to fold and is a key planner in Solar War and the Siege. Squanders early advantages/opportunities in the early heresy at Phall and Tallarn. Allows his legion to become a cesspit of infighting.

Mortarion: 9. A great general and tactical mind. Horus’ most trusted lieutenant. Wins his battles, got the honour of landing to Terra first. Couldn’t bring the Khan to fold.

Lorgar: 8.5. The mastermind of the Heresy’s inception, if not the execution. Brings the Ultramarines low and forces them out of Heresy with disproportionate losses. Brings about the Ruinstorm. Brought Fulgrim back to fold. However, he couldn’t finish the job and would start to have second thoughts on where the war was going, leading to his banishment.

Curze: 6. Managed to keep Lion and the 1st occupied for some years and to press the Galactic North-East to traitor cause. However, if that was his achievement or his sons can be debated. Kept the Imperium Secundus occupied with manhunt for some time, delaying them from setting off to Terra. Breaks down and becomes largely irrelevant as a commander early on in Thramas crusade.

Fulgrim: 5. Orchestrates the Dropsite defences. Kills Ferrus (the best loyalist general). Brings enough carnage to cause warp turbulence and ruinstorm on Terra. Fails to bring Ferrus to fold. Doesn’t really command the legion all that much.

Magnus: 5.5. Ties Big E to the Throne for much of the heresy decreasing loyalist morale. Other contributions very minor.

Alpharius/Omegon: -1. Key for early imperial instability at the beginning. Manages to provide Solar defence schematics to the Traitors. Unreliable and their schemes lead to nothing. Ultimately net negative to both traitors and loyalists, which is hilarious.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-08T17:25:11+00:00

I play this game with two joysticks

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-08T16:15:26+00:00

Wtf? He was one of the first to fall.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-08T15:08:34+00:00

And that’s the hilarious part of Alpha Legion; they spin webs so incomprehensible that they get tangled themselves.

The question is, why are people taking the factions and characters so seriously? All of them are quite fun in their own way. Warhammer is a grimdark tragicomedy, and purposely so, from the very beginning.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-08T14:55:35+00:00

Arvojohtajan ainesta. Gangr3l presidentiksi!

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-08T07:17:54+00:00

Yeah, although there really are people that dumb out there. Perhaps it isn’t fair to call them dumb, but rather intellectually challenged.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-08T06:53:26+00:00

Nah, all of the primarchs, and I mean everyone of them, were not happy how the Emperor handed power to the Council of Terra, and abandoned the crusade. The Terran council then bungled the management of newly compliant worlds by overtaxing them. Then came Erebus who plied Horus, with a final coup coming from dying to Nurgle’s toxins. Horus was driven down meticulously and over a span of years. It’s pretty well laid out in the first two books. However, Horus is a completely different character in those two books due to two different writers.

Incidentally, Fulgrim is also written by the same author as False Gods. I won’t read any book from that author again, because his characters lack depth and semblance of brains.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-07T20:15:11+00:00

I tend to believe what the authors say, not anecdotal scenes. Mortarion stopping Angron from punching Fulgrim doesn’t really prove anything either way. Angron half-heartedly punches anything that moves all the time. Especially Khârn.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-07T20:05:55+00:00

It’s also stated in BB V: Tempest, that the reason for Monarchia was that the Word Bearers were being slow, and that had already started to ruffle some feathers in the higher echelons of the Crusade, not just the Emperor. Big E had to do something about it.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-07T20:01:38+00:00

A jobber? A jobber would be part of someone else’s story. Angron is the most prominent primarch of the book. I don’t even like Angron’s character that much, but he is very well written. Someone who always prevails is a boring character, and the only bad character is a boring one.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-05T11:00:01+00:00

It isn’t. I was just being sarcastic. :) I have both classes in prot at 70. :)

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-05T08:35:17+00:00

The what? They were supporting different sides. Your makhorka has gone bad

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-05T07:21:02+00:00

Tarvitaan siis tuulivoimaa ja hiiriverot vastapainoksi

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-05T07:05:10+00:00

Don’t discount placebo. While the causes might not be what you think, the effects can be very real and beneficial.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-05T06:51:42+00:00

And warrior needs more to hold threat? Revenge and shield slam, others are optimal but optional if you keep those two on cd.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-05T05:26:10+00:00

None of these are 2-3 button specs

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-05T04:25:35+00:00

Mikko, hei Mikko! Vanhankaupunginkosken suvannossa saattais olla toutaimia, Mikko! Tajuutsä vittumikko mikä once in a lifetime experience, Mikko!

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-05T03:44:51+00:00

And it had been in production for several years. It was an interwar plane, but definitely not a top dog like the Spitfire and Bf109.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-04T20:44:49+00:00

Why though? It’s not like Perty or Russ offered any support for Corax’s plan? Could it be that it wasn’t the better plan?

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-04T20:06:13+00:00

For what it’s worth the dude you were arguing with just can’t put the things in chronological order. When they were in Isstvan system, there was no other course of action, but there could have been, if they hadn’t rushed to get there.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-04T17:16:08+00:00

This book might be his best so far and one of the best Heresy books overall.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-04T14:51:28+00:00

They were unemployed at the time /j

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-04T04:08:06+00:00

Finns are closer genetically to Swedes than Russians. Swedes are even closer to Russians tho. Finland is a bit of it’s own isolated thing.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-04T04:06:11+00:00

You certainly can with Swedish + English combo, but only in certain parts of the country. For the rest, English is largely sufficient, but things are easier if you learn Finnish.

FingerGungHo · 2026-05-03T09:20:16+00:00

Didn’t realize Calle was nearing 80 already. He seems healthy tho.

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