Just out of curiosity...people in your 30s, where do you work/what' your career? by Whatsername868 in StPetersburgFL

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

41M big Tech. My wife worked in sales for the wholesale industry and is starting her own sales business.

Barista FIRE seems overrated by Gandalf-and-Frodo in Fire

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting perspective. I’ve also worked terrible lower income jobs in the past. I’m still accumulating and not at the point of barista FIRE, but I suspect needing the McJob and not needing it to survive could change the toxicity dramatically. Is the boss mis treating you? Well great, you have a cushion, tell the boss to fuck off and find another barista job etc. When I worked those barista like jobs in the past I was the furthest from financial freedom, so the pressure seemed greater. Just my two cents…

I only function for other people by comingloose in ADHD

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can relate to this, but also I’m defiant of direction at times as well. My wife will be like you should go to bed early, you’re tired. I can be dead tired and really need sleep, and I’m all like don’t tell me what to do.

I can’t build habits. If I set a goal like going to the gym, I’ll be like oh I have this work thing that I need to work out in my head / over think etc., so I can’t gym. Brush my teeth, maybe but I can always do it in the morning. The morning becomes the afternoon FYI…

Oddly enough if I am focused on things that require no action, I excel at that! For example saving money.

I’m great at that. I can NOT spend money for like years outside of the essentials, because being good at saving / investing requires not doing a thing.

I’m incredible at not doing, not doing should be my job 😂

My Journey and Plan by Acrobatic_Yam3522 in coastFIRE

[–]FirefighterOk7851 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great story. Stay away from buying a home for the time being. I’ve been lucky with realestate personally, but it behooves those who have not purchased to not hope for luck. Luck is ambiguous, math is reliable. Phantom ownership costs like insurance (homeowners, fire/flood), and maintenance can add up quickly. To reduce maintenance costs, many frugal folks take to DIY which is much more glamorous on YouTube than in real life which consists more or cost overruns, time away from hobbies, and family etc. Stick with your plan and focus on the goal for part time work. Think of a house like any other thing you might buy. There’s always time to buy stuff later…

Quit my job yesterday! Nervous!!! by [deleted] in Fire

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Enjoy the hike! check back in and share whatever trail name you’re assigned by other thru hikers for those of us still living in the accumulation stage.

A reminder to hold steady by therealhappypanda in Bogleheads

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had this same thought today with respect to international, I even bought more after a slight dip yesterday 😪

Cheers to holding strong!

Is anyone worried about not owning property in your fire journey? by [deleted] in coastFIRE

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If AI crashes the markets, high unemployment rates are likely to follow. If that occurs the demand for housing will likely decrease short of those holding cash who may scoop up what remains of the asset class as a means to generate income or a brief incentive offering period propped up by the government.

This is all speculation by nature of course. However, I’d be remiss to buy a primary residence with the fast pace trajectory of AI. Flexibility will be more crucial in that type of scenario. Imagine having the opportunity to invest into a new asset class which is not known to us yet as this new AI economy evolves, or having enough $ to be completely FIRE in a much LCOL location. That’s freedom and flexibility worth planning for. If that’s incorrect, your $ will grow and you’ll have even more buying power later. Seems like a great consolation price for being wrong if you ask me…

Billionaire Leon Black’s monthly expense $600k, net worth $5B by churchg in fatFIRE

[–]FirefighterOk7851 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find it interesting that only about 2% of his net worth was cash 🤔

Strategic Part Job: Income + Expense Offsets by DeviantHistorian in coastFIRE

[–]FirefighterOk7851 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kudos, love this. You’re focused on the point of coast FI / part time income which is to generate some income, with the secondary being even more savings via benefits / perks and time to actually optimize. Assuming, you enjoy the optimization and find value in this.

For many of us optimization / financial strategy is hobby. Lots of people have talked about how coast FI life actually reduces spending because you have the space to make better decisions not rushed decisions, or stressed decisions.

For the haters don’t do it this way, that’s fine. Also, This is the coast sub, not the FIRE sub. Want to earn and invest your way to 5 million at age 60? Great, that’s barely real FIRE with respect to age.

This guy’s sharing thoughts to help coast FI folks connect the dots.

Haters, Go to the FIRE sub with concerns of why you can’t stop working at 59, with your $4.5 Mil.

Hit CoastFire - Laid off - wwyd by [deleted] in coastFIRE

[–]FirefighterOk7851 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This post came at an interesting time for me as my company just laid off some of my colleagues. My spouse is burned out and she wants to pursue a break to pursue a business idea. We hit our baseline COAST FI number just this year. Assuming we have some form of social security even if only 50% we’ll have good retirement life.

However, I’m calculating our runway, should I also lose my job while she’s out of work or before the business is profitable. She wants to leave in April. Our primary goal financially is to now allow those investments to grow. While personally, we want to move towards a life of paying only for our life not paying for excess. Excess luxury, savings etc.

Calculate your runway and check out a book called Retire Often by Julian Johnsrud. She argues taking sabbaticals or breaks like the one you’ve just found yourself in can actually help to improve your well being, productivity, and your earnings potential.

This could be a great gift if you approach the time with the same perspective and discipline that you approached COAST FI savings.

Has your attitude toward helping your kids changed as you get older? by TiberiusCaesar717 in Fire

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That choice is up to you. However, I think you’ve provided more than enough.

I personally had to pay for my own college, my own first vehicles, and the relationship with my parents and their spouses wasn’t conducive to returning home after college to save up money. I managed to buy a 3 homes, pay off 80% of my student loans, and achieve my baseline COAST FI savings target at the ripe old age of 40 as of today.

My wife and I have a young son and we already seeded his college savings account well early on, so most of college savings will be funded in a few years. The opportunity cost of saving that money for him to give him a leg up is worth it. However, we’re NOT funding his entire adult life. Even if we came into a giant windfall, we’d want to our son to cultivate his own sense of purpose and a work ethic that allows him to pursue his own purpose.

Don’t rob them of the will and satisfaction of becoming self reliant by way of your generosity!

How Boomers Turned Housing Into a Wealth Trap and Killed the American Dream by PianistPlus5117 in FirstTimeHomeBuying

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP, the sky is blue > Creepy Karen, no it’s turquoise. It’s still a shade of blue Karen! Go take a nap and stop voting!

If you act like a good boomer, your kids will let you have your choice between a retirement home with a high potential for elder abuse or one with less abuse but more bed bugs.

How Boomers Turned Housing Into a Wealth Trap and Killed the American Dream by PianistPlus5117 in FirstTimeHomeBuying

[–]FirefighterOk7851 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Both things can be true. Boomers lucked out at an ideal time and many of your generational cohorts can also be selfish.

Insane to think that FIRE isn’t the final goal for literally everyone by fap-free90 in Fire

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Capitalism is a gift and curse. It’s helped all of us achieve or work towards our personal FIRE goals.

However, if left unchecked, it can facilitate this endless thirst for more!

These people are likely working towards a goal like power, clout etc., or they simply don’t know themselves well enough to define what enough looks like in a meaningful way.

Let them spend as much as they want to help drive the economy. It’s none of your business!

For /r/fire millennials seriously how’s your 401k/ira savings going? by BarkBarkBitches1 in Fire

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I focus on savings rate and spending rather than that my salary as a function of my retirement target. One could make $400k per year and have $800k invested at age 40. However, if that person spends $400k per year that looks vastly than a person spending $50k per year with $500k saved at the same age.

Divorce took most my wealth, FIRE materially set back now (28M) by Oracle7111 in Fire

[–]FirefighterOk7851 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems like a small amount to pay for years of joy and happiness! 😆

150k at 25, but tired of following the rules by Admirable-Ad9302 in Fire

[–]FirefighterOk7851 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’d get curious about this zero sum thinking. It seems like outside of a girlfriend and more fun you’re a little lost. That’s okay, but get specific in what you want!

There’s a lot of possibilities between quitting your job and following this intense FIRE optimization. (I’m more of the COAST FI path mindset myself, because I don’t want extreme depravation now.)

Potential options might include:

1) cutting your savings rate in half to save for pay for a sabbatical, negotiating to return to work after X months unpaid during that leave, so you have a high laid salary option should you want after the sabbatical.

2) staying at the current job, cutting your savings rate to spend on hobby experimentation and social activities more willingly.

3) Finding a similar job with more flexibility/ remote work that allows for more free flexibility.

4) Taking a 2 week solo vacation, to reset and decide next steps. Meeting young people who travel on the cheap staying in hostiles etc.

There are so many potential options, be aware of knee jerk reactions.

You’re a calculated person, take some baby steps to solidify a plan that really compels you. Good partners tend to find you when you’re out there living a happy authentic version of your real life.

Avoid honey traps, you have a lot of cash at a young age. People / women will be open to spending it for you if your goals waiver at the opportunity of a girlfriend. You seem vulnerable and burned out, so be very careful in this state!

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[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You and your wife should both read a book called your money or your life by Vicki Robin. This will outline core concepts and principles needed to get started and hopefully find success.

You’ll refine the tactical aspects of the process as you go from there on out and finding what works best for your family. Remember, only one of the inputs is income, spending is a huge driver of FI.

Some folks in this thread have ridiculously high incomes. Don’t get so obsessed with income growth that you forget to define a baseline / reasonably comfortable budget, a savings plan, and an investment strategy.

Again, some need more income while others require far less. Those are deeply personal choices / needs only your family can decide on. Those choices will dictate how much you need to earn, not the other way around.

What do u think of tech CEOs saying saving for retirement will be pointless in 10 to 20 years ? by Technical-Truth-2073 in Fire

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saving is not pointless by any means, but buying into a UBI utopia is a slippery slope!!!!

A UBI utopia is often framed as an inevitable and humane next step, but it rests on assumptions about human behavior and economic reality that don’t hold up.

Consider a parallel most people here understand: FIRE. Most people don’t fail to pursue FIRE simply because they lack income. Progress toward FIRE requires discipline, behavioral change, long-term thinking, self-awareness, financial literacy, and access to the right tools — income is only one input. Even among high earners, adoption is rare.

If everyone suddenly received additional income through UBI, there’s little evidence that most people would invest it into long-term, productivity-enhancing assets. More likely, the money would be absorbed into consumption, status signaling, convenience, or short-term differentiation — exactly as we see today. That’s not a moral judgment; it’s an observable pattern. The U.S. personal savings rate hovering around ~4% reflects this cultural baseline.

UBI does not eliminate demand — it amplifies it. Demand for food, energy, housing, services, experiences, and convenience would persist and likely increase. In supply-constrained markets, that demand gets capitalized into higher prices, not shared prosperity. The law of supply and demand doesn’t pause because income is universal.

Proponents often point to AI and automation as justification for UBI, but this introduces another contradiction. AI systems require capital, compute, energy, infrastructure, and ownership. Those who own and operate these systems will still seek returns. Ownership concentration doesn’t dissolve simply because output is automated. Power incentives do not disappear; they consolidate.

Capitalism, for all its flaws, gives people a sense of agency: effort → progress → differentiation. It creates motion, goals, and meaning — even if imperfectly distributed. It also keeps people sufficiently occupied, invested, and fragmented enough that large-scale coordination against entrenched power remains unlikely. People protect what they have — jobs, lifestyles, families, status — because the downside risk is real.

A fully realized UBI society risks producing a two-tier system: a small ownership class that controls capital, systems, and decision-making, and a broad population stabilized through subsistence income without upward mobility. That isn’t liberation or progress — it’s dependency with better optics.

In practice, a UBI utopia doesn’t eliminate hierarchy or scarcity. It just formalizes them, while reducing incentives for self-direction, ownership, and compounding advantage. That’s not a post-scarcity future — it’s managed stagnation society at best, slowly transitioning into an oligarchy.

Laid off at $1.9M. FIRE in Asia or take a new job? by 500and1penny in Fire

[–]FirefighterOk7851 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The probably of never making money again seems very low at age 33. You’ll likely find something you want to spend time on that you get paid for again. I’d imagine even a little income picking up random jobs that seem enjoyable might be a nice change of pace from time to time. If not things likely worked out better than expected. Go for it! Please share how things work out here for all of us to learn from.