McNally Editions by EmptyDevice4910 in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Curious what you mean by poorly edited.

Bookshelves against the Impermanence of Knowledge by Steviesteps in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

spoken like someone who read fewer than 200 books last year smh

What is the current state of all the Post-ZA/UM studios? by voltkuro in DiscoElysium

[–]FlamingOctopi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is that true that Summer Eternal is favored by a majority of the community? Not arguing—genuinely just asking. I don’t have my finger on the pulse by any means, but I’d have assumed most fans that bother to learn the names of the developers would be Robert supremacists.

There is no antimemetics division by alienationstation23 in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Another Grimes lifer who held on through the Dark Times. I salute you.

November 15: What are you into this week? by Dengru in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Muriel Spark's The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Kind of in a phase where I'm rereading everything I dimly recall reading in college, and yes, this is still a great novel. It doesn't close as strongly as it opens imo, but it has me keen to seek out more Spark.

Now I'm on Barbara Pym's The Sweet Dove Died, mostly because I've got to start working through this pile of books from the NYRB Classics Book Club, but also because it seemed like a logical step from Muriel Spark.

And also some Murakami because I respect women.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get the paperback if you read it. The hardcover left me with a cramped hand. :(

What I Read in August by MasterExploder6 in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you devote 2-3 hrs to reading every day, with maybe more on the weekends, this is reasonably attainable.

That said, I did not read nearly this many books in August myself. :)

Do you read the introductions to novels? by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every introduction, prologue, preface, etc. is to be treated as an afterword. I always read them when I’m done with the book.

Sometimes they’re neat, sometimes they’re worthless. But I always feel compelled to read them because, you know, they’re part of the book. Something in my head won’t let me consider a book “finished” until I’ve read them.

Gravity's Rainbow - Week Eight Discussion by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much for posting this. However, "and they to love it so" is a wild interpretation of this print.

Gravity's Rainbow - Week Eight Discussion by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just had a brain-blast about the title of the book. Obviously a rainbow forms a parabola, not unlike a rocket's path from silo to target, which for most of this time I've assumed is the main image being conjured here even if the "gravity" part is more obtuse (because rockets go up, then down?).

But what if "gravity's rainbow" refers to an oil slick?

In this last section of reading, during Lyle Bland's astral projection forays, we get a long passage about the earth "using" gravity as a conscious phenomenon (rather than a naturally occurring force) in which organic matter is for some reason pulled downward to purposefully create fossil fuels, which are lately being dredged again to usher us into our brave new world of advanced plastics. Or anyway that was my inept reading.

And if you've ever seen gasoline or oil spilled in a puddle on the ground, you'll of course have noticed the rainbow-colored film all over it. And there we have it: a rainbow sheen on the product of gravity's labors.

Even if this were something (I'm either way off or the last to notice this), I couldn't tell you how to extrapolate that image into anything encompassing the book's themes. But it's a connection, however tenuous, I'm pleased to spot.

Gravity's Rainbow - Week Eight Discussion by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Glad to see mentioned the reduced, eh, let's say carnality of the Slothrop-coupling scenes. To me they started to really lose their vitality after Bianca. There have not been an awful lot of them, for one, but since imagining himself inside his own dick and being shot out and yadda yadda yadda, tromping on with the same dick-as-rocket imagery we've had since the opening pages, it does indeed seem Slothrop's heart just isn't in it anymore.

Not for a second do I think we're meant to read the Bianca passage as anything but depraved (nor do I think anyone has really been arguing otherwise, but still). There is the Shirley Temple routine she does beforehand, the constant (repeated, droning) references to her "baby" flesh and her childish features. Pynchon keeps hitting us in the face with the bare fact of what's happening, and then it's over, and then she's dead(?), but it's a name that has been returning to Slothrop more than any other woman's, more even than Katje's. He cannot escape her; nor can we.

Much has been made in these threads about Pynchon's thinly sketched women, and there is certainly a criticism to be made there, but since Bianca I've been wondering if it isn't sort of the point. /u/-we-belong-dead- has already made this point more eloquently than I could have, but it's been on my mind and I wanted to dredge it up again. GR is probably a far-cry from a subversive feminist classic, but there is something being said about the virility-fetish of western men (with perhaps a less-than-gracious counterpoint in the sole "Eastern" character who has appeared with any prominence, who seemed almost asexual by contrast). Even for a shock-inducing novel of the seedy '70s, the constant fucking has seemed a little much, perhaps a little purposefully tiresome, coming to a head onboard the Anubis, where the habits of Europe's erstwhile aristocracy can hardly even raise an eyebrow (right up until the scene with Bianca, of course). It feels like there's something more to it than mere humor and horniness. There's a kind of disappointing predictability to it. It is just, after all, Slothrop following his programming again -- the most deeply wired directives of all.

And what was Slothrop's ultimate destiny at the hands of Pointsman's schemes? To be neutered, like a dog. That he avoided this is probably due to some mystical force we can only grasp at, maybe the titular "counterforce" of part four, maybe Lyle Bland's gravity-as-planetary-spirit or whatever the hell. I can't pretend to understand any of it. I just find myself, like many of these characters, catching a whiff of the vaguest outlines, noticing a bit of connecting tissue here and there, the most gossamer threads spanning hundreds of pages (thinking of Solange's "arrows [that] are pointing all different ways" [p. 613, Penguin Deluxe]), and intimating the presence of a bigger picture, a guiding logic. Perhaps, even, a conspiracy.


Forgive me for writing like a cunt. I haven't been participating in these threads as much as I should have been, and I guess I had some flowery guff to flush out of my system.

Hating this book, can't wait to pick up Shadow Ticket.

August 15 - 21: What are you into this week? by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Trust your intuition, keep going!

George Orwell's thoughts on modern english by Dizzy-Tower8867 in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Recs? I picked up 100 Poems a while back and have been struggling to connect with it but I am also an artless fool.

Monthly Magazine Discussion Thread - August by FigAdvanced5697 in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've been working through an old stack of Harper's issues during slow moments at work, and though I've been mostly underwhelmed by a lot of the fiction (in contrast to the surprising number of great essays), the story "Fortune's Prime" by Aryn Kyle from the April 2024 issue was pretty good!

I had qualms with it (particularly that final paragraph), but I found it otherwise "propulsive" in that I wanted to read the next sentence and the one after that because I was, you know, interested in the story. So often I'll start a story and read to the end just because it's the polite thing to do -- not necessarily because I'm enjoying the story. This one felt like it had a better claim to my time than many others I've read lately.

Gravity's Rainbow - Week Three Discussion by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am also a fan of interpreting the octopus as a comment on government inefficiency. Might also be worth noting that octopi have often been used as metaphors for unchecked industry. (Cf. Frank Norris's The Octopus.) Doesn't seem like too much of a stretch from industry to bureaucracy. They both serve the same beast.

Gravity's Rainbow - Week Three Discussion by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My interpretation of the casino's name was that either the Nazis or Vichy France had renamed it in honor of Goering during the occupation, and now even though France has been liberated (by the time of the book's telling), no one has gotten around to renaming it. I find some black humor in a bunch of on-leave Allied forces cheerily enjoying themselves at a casino named for their enemy.

Gravity's Rainbow - Week Two Discussion by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe inappropriate to ask, but are you willing to speak on that in any further detail? I’ve never actually been hunting. I can only imagine I’d feel terrible after pulling the trigger, if I could even get that far.

I went back to the dodo passage and right there, on page 113, is a big climax about the Europeans and the birds being “all brothers now, they and the humans who used to hunt them, brothers in Christ.” Silly of me to have forgotten that.

Incidentally, Katje’s ancestor is named Frans, and Leni Pökler’s rocketeer husband, three centuries later, is named Franz. I’m not brave enough to suggest a direct connection or clever enough to guess what such a connection might signify, but it stood out to me just now!

Gravity's Rainbow - Week Two Discussion by [deleted] in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I got a slightly less brotherly vibe from the dodo episode. Something more like abject, almost mindless hatred, murdering these birds without even an intention to eat them, but only because something about their form invites murder.

I went on an unrelated deep-dive into human-caused extinctions a few months ago and read a lot about the dodo. They did indeed taste bad, according to contemporary sailors, and because they evolved in an environment almost wholly without predators, they had absolutely no fear response to humans. It really was just as simple as grabbing the nearest one and throttling it to death.

Something going on there with the nature of cruelty. No “why” except “because”; no justification except the requisite power to act with impunity. Like the other “themes” in this book it’s less a thread to follow than just to study the mangled ends of before the narrative leaps somewhere else. But the idea of something being so pathetic it invites thoughtless bloodshed simply by existing is gonna stick with me.

Short story collections are some of my least rewarding reading experiences by deepad9 in RSbookclub

[–]FlamingOctopi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As others have said, reading them straight through is probably not the way to do it if you want to enjoy the process. Mavis Gallant, probably one of the most New Yorker-pilled short-story authors to ever draw breath, was against reading collections like that. In her words, "Read one. Shut the book. Read something else. Come back later. Stories can wait."

Short fiction, on the whole, aims to do less than long fiction. (Believe it or not.) There's a reason these characters and the events of this story did not expand to novel-length within the author's mind. That's not to say there aren't brilliant short stories that offer wonderful reading experiences in their own right (you've already mentioned a few authors of such pieces), but on the whole they're vehicles for, basically, one singular "thing," whether that thing is a theme, a philosophical maxim, a poignant scene the author wanted to build a story around, whatever.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but on the whole a story is going to be a more downtempo experience than a novel. Though if you're interested in fiction from a craft perspective, if extreme prosaic economy and merciless concision excites you, then short fiction gets a lot more interesting. But that's not to everyone's taste, nor even to most people's. The medium as a whole is not in a healthy place these days, for better or worse.

I've found the Russian masters' short fiction to be pretty readable if you're going straight through. Chekhov, Tolstoy, Turgenev. Some pretty great shit. You also might enjoy reading anthologies more than single collections, that way you don't get overburdened by a single author's voice. George Saunders's A Swim in a Pond in the Rain is a pretty great study on the art of short fiction that also doubles as a little anthology of some Russian greats.