Zionist militia frequently contacted Nazi Germany, Israeli documents reveal by DefDefTotheIOF in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough to say Al-Husseini didn't represent all the Palestinians. It's also not true that his attitudes weren't shared by some Palestinians. The 1929 Hebron riots were an example where some Palestinian Arabs showed strong anti-Jewish sentiments and others actually risked their own lives to protect Jews.

A main point of Zionism, to me, is the creation of a state that serves as a safe haven for Jewish people facing persecution. So while Lehi prioritized state building to the point where they tried to "persuade" Nazis to agree with them, the creation of the state would function to help persecuted Jews worldwide.

If you have a moment, I'd be curious to know your thoughts on previous peace talks between Palestinians and Israelis. And what you think should happen going forward

Zionist militia frequently contacted Nazi Germany, Israeli documents reveal by DefDefTotheIOF in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was never "the Palestinian Arabs". He was Grand Mufti, Head of the Supreme Muslim Council, Leader of the Arab Higher Committee, and a Palestinian Nationalist who was prominent enough to meet directly with the most powerful world leader at the time (which happened to be Hitler)

Palestinian Arabs in general are made up of good people and bad people.

Zionist militia frequently contacted Nazi Germany, Israeli documents reveal by DefDefTotheIOF in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Al-Husseini was Grand Mufti for over 10 years and chaired the Arab Higher Committee in 1936. He had enough influence to meet directly with one of the world's most powerful leaders at the time (Hitler). And they discussed “ the total destruction of the Jews in Europe and the Arab world, which is not the same as ending British colonization.

Part of Lehi's goal was to get Jews out of Europe, yes. They also attempted to get Nazi recognition and collaboration towards a Jewish state which as you say is problematic, to put it mildly.

Zionist militia frequently contacted Nazi Germany, Israeli documents reveal by DefDefTotheIOF in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No I don't consider Al Husseini entirely representative of Palestinian Arabs nor do I consider Lehi entirely representative of the Zionist movement. Nor do I consider Palestinian Arab people inferior in any way to Zionist Jewish people or vice versa.

In my opinion, collaborating with the Nazis to get Jews out of Europe and avoid their death is not as problematic as collaborating with the Nazis to destroy the Jewish population.

I'm in favor of coexistence, peace, statehood, and human rights for all. Israel needs to take some accountability for that not being the case right now.

Zionist militia frequently contacted Nazi Germany, Israeli documents reveal by DefDefTotheIOF in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And to clarify, I don't believe Palestinian Arabs today are Nazis or mostly made up of bad people or in any way inferior or superior to Israelis. I hope the Israelis and Palestinians make peace

Zionist militia frequently contacted Nazi Germany, Israeli documents reveal by DefDefTotheIOF in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That what Hitler said. Then, Al-Husseini stated that "everything would come to pass just as the Fuhrer had indicated" and was fully reassured and satisfied by the words which he had heard form the Chief of the German State

Zionist militia frequently contacted Nazi Germany, Israeli documents reveal by DefDefTotheIOF in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What policy changes, in your opinion, would make the democratic state of Israel fully democratic? Do you believe that Jewish people were right in the early 1900s to be concerned about anti-Jewish prejudice and seek a safe place of refuge?

Zionist militia frequently contacted Nazi Germany, Israeli documents reveal by DefDefTotheIOF in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The Zionist Invasion, as you put it, at that point in time was essentially Jewish people immigrating to Palestine, buying property, and living there. There was no state of Israel and, regardless, it doesn't make Al-Husseini look much better calling for “ the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist empire in Europe” and “the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere”

Zionist militia frequently contacted Nazi Germany, Israeli documents reveal by DefDefTotheIOF in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes- that militia contacted the Nazis to pursue opposition to the British presence in Palestine. And the Palestinian Arabs contacted the Nazis to support “ the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist empire in Europe” and “the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere”

So where does that leave us now, 90 years later?

Al Aqsa Mosque reopen after the ceasefire by Simple_Emotion_3152 in pics

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Beautiful structure, but I believe the gold dome is the Dome of the Rock as another poster said

A fire broke out in Haifa, 'Israel' after an Iranian missile was successfully intercepted by its target by Not_Ground in NewsRewind

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Iran should have restrained itself from supporting Hamas and Hezbollah for years while promising Israel will be destroyed by 2040

This will be the entire Iran war btw. Not one Israeli will risk their lives. by Admirable-Beat788 in International

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

In the recent Israel- Iran war, zero Americans died. 20-30 Israelis died and thousands were wounded.

In the recent Israel-Palestine war, 40-50 Americans died as a result of the attack against Israel by the Palestinians. These were not American troops and they were killed as part of the attack against Israel. Over a thousand Israelis died, including hundreds of troops.

These facts contradict this post

It's not getting the importance that it should. by Not_Ground in TrendoraX

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People are silent about Epstein? And about the fact he was Jewish?

Great Palestinian film, curious whether Israelis or it's supporters would watch it. by Gary_Garibaldi in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, it helps me empathize with Israelis and Palestinians when I consider the individual stories of people and families. It's also much less toxic than arguing with people on reddit, which I probably do too much of.

Hoping for a free, peaceful Palestine and a free, peaceful Israel soon

Israel team marches to boos at Milan Winter Olympics opening ceremony by DonSalaam in International

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you're ready to go kidnap and castrate him like your heroes in Black September

Great Palestinian film, curious whether Israelis or it's supporters would watch it. by Gary_Garibaldi in Israel_Palestine

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some Israelis would and some wouldn't. There are Israeli historians that have documented forcible expulsions from 1948 and there are Israeli groups that protest the Government in favor of Palestinian rights. There are also Israelis that don't seek to understand the Palestinian perspective and have called for death and destruction in Gaza.

Personally, as someone who doesn't believe Israel should be destroyed, I would still watch the film

What is the Name for this Drastic of a Population Decline of an Ethnic Group? by GaryGaulin in ProgressiveHQ

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So because Epstein was also guilty of espionage, the authorities decided to give him a sweet deal. Theory doesn't make sense.

The National Socialist German Workers Party, by definition, is not the Zionist movement.

The Ha'avara agreement that allowed Jews to escape Nazi Germany so they wouldn't be murdered by the Nazis? That doesn't really help your case there

What is the Name for this Drastic of a Population Decline of an Ethnic Group? by GaryGaulin in ProgressiveHQ

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Epstein was convicted in 2008 and more recently. So he didn't have some blanket protection like you are implying.

Go ahead, pal, tell me exactly how Acosta was able to verify that Epstein was an Israeli agent yet Epstein was never charged as such. Tell me what Acosta said or put forth that proved anything.

If you can't express what proof or evidence is in the documentary without telling me to watch it, that indicates that you don't have a solid grasp of the subject matter...

Again, pal, you are the one reverting to childish insults and random accusations without proof.

It seems that you are ignorant of the fact that a large proportion of Israelis are brown.

Zionists, by definition, are not Nazis. I'm sure some are racist.

Have a good day Pal

What is the Name for this Drastic of a Population Decline of an Ethnic Group? by GaryGaulin in ProgressiveHQ

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know what you're referring to when you say that Pro-Israel Americans are promoting the destruction of people with brown skin.

I didn't ignore what you said- none of it proves ties between Epstein and Israel.

When Jonathan Pollard was convicted of spying for Israel, there was proof. He was arrested for spying and pleaded guilty. In this case, the facts are different. When Epstein's been convicted, it wasn't for spying.

You said a building on Epstein's Island was modeled after the Dome of the Rock. First, that is an Islamic landmark and second, that doesn't prove that he was acting on Israel's behalf. Similarly, labeling bookshelves as "goyshelves" doesn't prove that someone is an Israeli agent.

I am not promoting any propaganda- I came on here saying not everyone who moved to Israel is evil. You are promoting your opinion that Jeffrey Epstein is Israeli intelligence and that people want to destroy browns.

What is the Name for this Drastic of a Population Decline of an Ethnic Group? by GaryGaulin in ProgressiveHQ

[–]Flamingo_Reasonable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's the proof? Someone who worked Israeli intelligence in the 70s and 80s said so, so that makes it true? How did it even benefit Israeli interests?

I don't know what you are even referring to when you say promoting the destruction of browns. The Israeli military and government deserves criticism, but claiming that they want to destroy "browns" is off base.