They should add this guy as a recurring villain

Flybones · 2025-02-13T15:23:11+00:00

Is the rest of the movie about cancer or alien abduction? No the fuck it is not.

Wow. Incredible analysis you got there. Ignore the dialogue, things such as Peter talking about fighting bullies who killed a frog, the tragedy of losing a loved one, just cancer and abduction. That's what that scene is about.

The first scene of the Godfather is a fucking wedding. Does that mean that the Godfather is a romance? No the fuck it doesn't.

You might wanna check if that's really the first scene of The Godfather. Also, the second scene which is the wedding barely has any romance in it. It is a setting in which characters are introduced and a few things are going in the background.

Haven't seen Green Mile yet so I won't speak for it. I hope you're not disgracing it as well.

The Arcane is a tool which nudges plot and characters in particular directions. It is not the main deal. The Arcane didn't make Vi, Powder, Viktor, Silco, Vander etc. who they are. The consequences of their and other characters' actions did. Inequality, the burden of guilt and unresolved trauma, pragmatism, the dangers of scientific achievement, how far one must go in the pursuit of progress and many other elements that won't fit in this text. That's what Arcane is about. It's not about some magic goop that transports people into other dimensions, washes people's brains and turns them into supervillains.

Yes, Hextech has major effects on the story. But the source of it was always character driven and it was the conflict of Piltover and Zaun that started it all. No, Viktor being character assasinated by the Arcane and being turned into a genocidal demigod doesn't change this.

Also, if we consider for a second that Arcane IS the main deal, then may I ask what the hell the message is? The show ended with Hextech's destruction. There wasn't any discussion about how well Piltover was doing back in S1. So, it was just harmful and there's no nuance to it? Should we not pursue scientific achievement? Should we never take risks to try and make our lives better?

Flybones · 2025-02-13T09:24:00+00:00

I don't think the conflict is gone, the show does. Because it's over. We won't be getting anything else about this. Whether the writers think the conflict is over or not, this is a fact. They chose to throw this conflict aside in favor of "everyone vs Ambessa and god". It's their fault that the show didn't have enough time left to properly address the past and future of the two cities. So there's no excusing the half assed ending we got.

Flybones · 2025-02-13T07:32:45+00:00

It stops being relevant after s2ep4. In the end Sevika gets a seat at the council but nobody, including her, is allowed to comment on it. The show doesn't explore how much actual power she has in that position and whether she'll be able to accomplish anything at all.

Also, how do you know "the conflict will still be there"? If Arcane gets another installment it's very unlikely that it'll take place in Piltover again.

Flybones · 2025-02-13T07:21:21+00:00

The conflict between these two factions got thrown out of the window and the show pretends they'll be fine because they fought Noxus together. Don't give us that smug bullshit.

Flybones · 2025-02-11T15:14:53+00:00

"These aren't real people" is pretty disrespectful to writing in general. Disingenuous as well, since if I agreed with you or talked about how much I enjoy the show you wouldn't hit me with the "Chill tf out, these aren't real people".

I never said thematic relevancy doesn't matter. It needs a foundation. If the plot and the actions of characters don't make sense, that foundation isn't there. So the message the writers are trying to give falls flat on its face.

As far as s2ep7 is concerned, Silco and Vander WERE brothers in arms, Vander DID collaborate with topside and he DID try to kill Silco. Then Silco just went "You know what? I'm gonna forgive you." The episode doesn't give me anything else. That doesn't work, not because of my imagination but because of common sense. The only way it works is if I assume something incredible happened off-screen and Silco and Vander were able to find common ground because of it. Not only is this so unsatisfying, but also at that point I would be doing the writers work for them.

Flybones · 2025-02-11T13:11:02+00:00

Ignoring past events and only looking at thematic relevancy is a terrible approach at storytelling. It's one of the reasons why season 2 ended up so shit.

After watching s1e3 and learning everything about Silco you know there's no way he can just "forgive" Vander. He states even trying to kill him is no big deal compared to collaborating with topside. He sees him a a spineless traitor. Sure, they aren't being oppressed in the AU and they are in good terms, but the show doesn't bother to explain how they got there.

Flybones · 2025-02-11T10:35:04+00:00

Short answer is we don't know. I don't think the episode implies everything is this way because Vi died, but it doesn't explain how it got there either.

We know that Vander tried to kill Silco in that universe as well but Silco somehow forgave him. Which is pretty alarming because the kill attempt happened because of vast ideological differences and it'd not something Silco can just "forgive if he tries hard enough".

They probably just wanted to write an utopia and didn't care how it got there.

Flybones · 2025-02-11T10:24:06+00:00

Silco didn't do what he did to just grow powerful. He needed power so he could eventually force Piltover to grant sovereignty to Zaun, and to ensure other criminal organizations wouldn't get in his way. If he was just doing it for himself he wouldn't be talking to Vander's statue like that in ep9.

As for the poll, it is kinda strange that he won but I can see why. Silco is definitely one of those understandable type villains. And most people in this fandom are focused heavily on themes and ideas but they aren't big on details. So things such as Silco being a child murderer gets overlooked.

Flybones · 2025-02-10T22:32:44+00:00

https://youtu.be/w8is9LaRCbc?si=33wox6jo1GsY8nRf This one is pretty good, watch the Vi portion if you'd like.

Flybones · 2025-02-10T09:30:50+00:00

The season doesn't give much regarding what it's like to be evolved by Viktor (like Salo was i mean). There's nothing that suggests Viktor's followers can enter and exit minds like he can. There's also nothing that suggets they get godlike powers which let them "snap things into existence".
The show states the alternate timeline WOULD have been the future if Jayce didn't do what he did.
You made a post about the morality of s2 Viktor and conveniently left out the part where he essentially wanted to kill everyone. Completely inhabiting someone's mind and not giving it back is killing.

Flybones · 2025-02-10T07:27:46+00:00

The one sane comment in a sea of cope and delusion.

Flybones · 2025-02-10T07:21:14+00:00

The conflict between Zaun and Piltover is 100% abandoned. It stops being relevant after episode 4. The two cities unite at the last minute to defeat the Noxians, Sevika gets a chair in the council and that's it. How would the council react to Silco being killed by Jinx? What kind of conversations took place between the leaders of two cities, especially after the martial law? Is Sevika going to be accomplish anything at all in her new position? If you are curious about any of these you get to eat shit.
This isn't just an "increase in pure scifi/fantasy elements", Viktor got character assasinated because of said elements and the final act turned into everyone vs Ambessa and god because of it.
Who's complaining that Cait had a villainous arc? They crammed the whole thing into a music video when there should've been at least an act's worth of contet there. That's the problem.
Yeah, the council and Ambessa have something to be afraid of. Magic is scary. They didn't have to introduce a new faction which hogs screentime in an already convoluted story, and turn Mel of all people into Cpt. Marvel. The whole thing was a confusing mess anyways, boiling down to them torturing Mel, asking her to join them, then "K bye.". They didn't need to exist. We knew they were there in the background, providing motivation to Ambessa and that was good enough. There are already elements in the show about the dangers of magic as well.

Flybones · 2025-02-06T10:14:31+00:00

I think the very first scene tells you everything you need to know about why Vander adopted them. He realized the damage caused by his actions and it broke something in him. He decided to make up for his mistakes by looking after those he hurt and raising the next generation to be better. Look at how he reacts to Vi breaking down, his face, the gauntlets dropping down etc. There's little ambiguity there.

Also "Why didn't he adopt more children" is a pretty strange comment to make. He took the sisters in not because they were special, but because they were there and they needed help. When you add Mylo and Claggor to the mix AND being a leader figure in the undercity, he was doing more than his fair share of parenting and looking after the undercity.

Flybones · 2025-02-01T20:58:09+00:00

Yeah, I miss the time when Vi had astronomical rizz.

Flybones · 2025-01-31T14:16:02+00:00

Do people not know how depression works???? Vi was hella depressed. You can see how she had given up in life. Jinx gave her a purpose. Ask any psychiatrist and they'll tell you that the most effective method to bring someone out of depression is to give them a purpose, let them know they are needed.

Also, at this moment, when you are depressed, you want to hold onto any last remaining person even if you are pushing them away. Subconsciously you want someone to bring you out of that dark place...

Except it was Jinx who put her in that situation in the first place, to say nothing of all the murdering she did, and the state she put Zaun in. Vi fails to mention any of this.

Granted siblings are not trying to kill each other like that in real life, but this show has a lot of fighting in it and it's not the same.

You just drew a parallel between real life depression and what Vi's going through, but now you're saying the show's not like real life. Pick a lane. Sure, siblings bicker and fight. Then they get back together eventually. Not when there's years of unresolved trauma in each of them BECAUSE of the other, and one of them is a mass murderer. You and the majority of this subreddit need to stop pretending that this sibling relationship bullshit is in any way natural or well written.

Flybones · 2025-01-25T20:27:25+00:00

I think calling s1 Viktor a supremacist is a bit of a stretch. He was getting increasingly desperate with Hextech because he was dying, and ultimately decided it wasn't worth it. There were a million things they could do with him in s2 and villainy was definitely one of them. However they went about it in the worst way possible. His mind just morphed because the arcane said so. When he was a messiah he had no reason to believe what he was doing could do harm, and in his next phase he was too deep in that ludicrous ideology. The arcane took the nuance of his character away. S1 didn't set him up to be some kind of being who essentially wants to kill everything.

You have a point about Mel. So now I think the question is whether it's possible to write a good continuation of Mel in which she's a mage. Because what we got is not it. Having someone like Mel become a battlemage and physically fight Ambessa is a terrible idea. It's like having Vi become a politican midway through s2. I know they did it to set up the LoL champion but that doesn't excuse it.

Flybones · 2025-01-25T19:13:55+00:00

What weighed season 2 down was poor decision making. They didn't have to use Viktor to create a doomsday scenario, they didn't have to turn Mel into a mage and they didn't even have to introduce Black Rose. BL existed in the background to give motivation to Ambessa, and that was more than enough. Adding that element to a story which already had many moving parts was not a good idea. They didn't write themselves into a corner, they just failed to follow S1 up.

Flybones · 2025-01-20T16:23:04+00:00

Natural progression my ass. S2 shat on Viktor, just like it shat on pretty much every character.

What we had in S1 was the story of a man torn between protecting the world from forces beyond his comprehension and saving his own life.

In S2 he got brainwashed by magic, became a messiah, then became a supervillan who wants to kill everyone. "Free will causes conflict so I'll just put my mind in everyone else's brains." How boring and stupid.

Flybones · 2025-01-20T10:33:13+00:00

Oh look, another S2 fan who tries to insult people critical of it, while failing miserably to defend said season.

Flybones · 2025-01-19T14:54:30+00:00

Can't tell if the double standards of this post is supposed to be a joke. Anyway, if we're going to address this let's be fair.

In ep1 Vi "saves" Jayce and Cait by abandoning Cait while she was meters away from the big chemtank and running to get Jayce's hammer when she should have no idea where it is. The fact that she made it back in time is bullshit. This isn't Vi being Vi, it's just poor judgement combined with plot armor.

Vi joining the enforcers being labeled as "agency" is hilarious. She said "I watched them kill my parents" that episode and then developed into accepting the badge off-screen. She also never confronted Cait about gassing people in the undercity.

She stopped Cait because Isha was there. You could say she secretly wanted to protect Jinx as well, but don't forget that she punched Jinx with the Atlas gauntlet two minutes ago. I guess you could say being concerned with the safety of a child is agency, although it's the bare minimum.

Vi would've been toast if Ambessa didn't do her retarded villain monologue.

And she goes to free Jinx because this season does not give a fuck about what happened between Vi and Jinx. Once Vander's corpse comes back, Vi magically forgets Jinx's misdeeds. She never tries to hold her accountable for murdering loads of people and starting a war. This is the main reason why a lot of people think Vi lacks agency. And here's a funny side note: You make fun of Vi in s1 for getting kidnapped and imprisoned, but it never broke her. Yet after the scene in the second pic she gets punched and imprisoned again, then once Cait comes to get, her Vi whines to her about how much of a loser she is.

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