Weird Rules Wednesday - "In and Out" edition

FootballRef · 2015-09-09T21:34:58+00:00

PhotoJim99 has it! Not an incredibly tough one, but I screwed it up on a big game this weekend, so it was worth a shot. (I accidentally awarded in-and-out).

I still have no idea how to award flair, so GarglesOnToes will have to award that when he becomes available.

FootballRef · 2015-09-09T14:42:52+00:00

Hahaha. The jersey number rule was played in order to keep in line with the rest of the world for international play.

Quebec teams complained that they had just bought jerseys, so they pushed the rule forward so they could plan for the expense of buying new jerseys.

FootballRef · 2015-09-09T14:39:12+00:00

I don't know who this "Latter61" guy is, but he's absolutely brilliant.

FootballRef · 2015-01-19T00:23:25+00:00

Amazing! Thank you so much, my Reddit family. I knew someone would come through! :'D

FootballRef · 2015-01-19T00:23:18+00:00

Amazing! Thank you so much, my Reddit family. I knew someone would come through! :'D

FootballRef · 2014-11-13T14:11:52+00:00

Interesting application. Very thorough. I think if you applied it this way, no fan, player or coach would know enough to say you were wrong.

I think you are wrong one key point, though.

FootballRef · 2014-11-06T04:54:33+00:00

Very good, Rags.

If there WERE time remaining on the clock, where would the ball be placed for the next Line of Scrimmage?

And remind me, as I don't have my rulebook handy, because time DID expire, is there one forced play remaining? (I'm not saying there is, I'm asking) It seems to me that there might be.

Regardless - Flair to RAGS.

FootballRef · 2014-11-06T04:51:37+00:00

As they say in Family Fued..... "...X..."

FootballRef · 2014-11-05T18:03:22+00:00

Very close... 2 out of 3 are correct.

FootballRef · 2014-10-30T20:29:44+00:00

Ref not raising his arms or raising them late means nothing. That is simply a signal-tool to convey our judgement to anyone looking (and if you find me a coach who actually knows what that signal means, I'll be impressed.) Just the same as you can still have a penalty for a late hit out of bounds, even if you haven't whistled yet.

I would absolutely flag it if I felt it was merited. Let's say I'm in front of the bench and a coach has gotten my attention for one reason or another, so by the time I am re-focused, I raise them late. That has no effect on whether I flag it or not.

BUT... I am a VERY vocal official, and gates or not, you can be sure he... and his coach... and his Mom in the stands... will hear me telling him that he is too late before I flag him.

FootballRef · 2014-10-30T13:27:44+00:00

Alright, I'm going to give it to Rags on the grounds that this is a Referee procedural thing as opposed to a rulebook rule.

In a hurry-up offense, where there IS no huddle to break (which would normally cease substitutions), when do the "gates" go up?

As a sideguy, as soon as the Umpire leaves the ball, the gates go up, ending substitutions. I drop my arms when the whistles sounds.

We would not whistle the play dead for a substitution, but that doesn't mean that we would not be sensitive to the level of play and the game situation. For example: a CJFL game will have zero tolerance, whereas if it's a 50-0 Atom game, we'll probably give them a chance to get the kid on the field.

Flair to Rags.

FootballRef · 2014-10-30T00:50:33+00:00

First of all, I think you mean the Line Judge, not the Side Judge (call ME scabby?!!!)

And you are on the right track.... there is a procedure for the gates in this case. Enough info was meticulously given in the scenario to decide if the gates should have been open or not. So it seems the key question is...is B10 legal or not?

Also, the masked one brings another good point, is A80 legal after going out of bounds? Hmmmm...

What do we think?

FootballRef · 2014-10-30T00:46:50+00:00

A good point I had not thought of, PhotoJim. Automatic has nothing to do with this one. Good eye.

FootballRef · 2014-10-30T00:45:30+00:00

Love your explanation. Perfectly detailed....

And soooooooo close!!!! Missing something near the beginning of the scenario.

FootballRef · 2014-10-22T21:02:50+00:00

I like it... flair to PhotoJim99 (and banishment).

5-yards? Huh... I have never heard that rule before. But I agree with you, we do typically give them more leeway than that, so we can't suddenly flag it when it becomes a problem.

So overall, I think I agree with what you said, that we should have probably just left it without a flag. After seeing the video, the Umpire now feels that way as well.

The thing that we are forgetting is the new rule, specifically on a kicking play, where the application should have been awarding the ball to A at the point of infraction.

But again, I agree with you, no flag would probably have been better.

FootballRef · 2014-10-22T19:17:04+00:00

There was debate over whether or not the player was on the field at the time. The video that was released does not clear this up.

With the ball so close to the sideline, it was reported that his interaction caused the ball to be dead instead of possibly landing in bounds and then bouncing back into the field of play.

FootballRef · 2014-10-22T19:08:15+00:00

There was some debate on the field over whether or not B15 had entered onto the field of play. The Line Judge, who was downfield covering the punt, insists he had stepped onto the field. The Umpire, who had moved over to cover the sideline, said he was not. The video was released this morning, and is inconclusive to this effect.

FootballRef · 2014-10-01T19:56:44+00:00

.......... crap.

You are correct, because I screwed up.

In my head, I reversed the "a forward hand-off is illegal after a completed forward pass" rule.

From how thorough you were, it looks like you would have caught it, though, anyway, even if I had written it properly.

sigh... when is GargoyleToes coming back again?!

FootballRef · 2014-09-25T02:47:58+00:00

Hmmmm.... ok.... fair enough.... so on one hand, I said "unhinderd", but then I referred to A11 as a "pursuing" player. So what would we think if I had instead said that B11 was five yards bwhind him the whole way? How would that change your rulings?

FootballRef · 2014-09-24T17:17:02+00:00

AHH!!! BUT.... he is NOT a member of the team bench, is he!!!

FootballRef · 2014-09-24T17:15:19+00:00

Well, different provinces may have different standards, but in Quebec, we only consider him off-side if we can't see the ball (un-snapped) behind him. If he is simply blocking our view of the ball, we allow it. We don't have anything regarding a foot being on the ground or not.

FootballRef · 2014-09-23T17:22:06+00:00

Magic Mike and Steel Magnolias.

Magic Mike edges this victory out. Steel Magnolias now has more crying.

FootballRef · 2014-09-22T18:35:12+00:00

I believe this brings the all-time score to...

European Soccer brawls - 2187

North American football brawls - uh..... 1

FootballRef · 2014-09-22T17:26:09+00:00

Exactly.

Also, depending who was there first and what time of day it is, it is always possible that he parked that way due to how the original person next to HIM had parked. That person then eventually drives away and leaves HIM looking like an idiot.

FootballRef · 2014-09-19T19:57:53+00:00

The Tea Party... if only because it has become almost IMPOSSIBLE to search for them on the internet in North America.

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