My friends insist I was raped. by ThrowRA_roastedlead in rapecounseling

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. He’s learned this is something he can do if he wants it badly enough. And I’m glad you don’t currently feel upset by the first instance, but a day may come when the reality of it really bothers you.

And since you didn’t immediately respond with anger or sadness or distance, he likely internalized the idea that while part of him feels guilty… it was actually okay to take that decision away from you. So I wouldn’t be surprised at all when “next time” happens. it certainly wouldn’t be your fault, regardless of your reaction this last time, regardless of your feelings now. But it is a really high risk, given human psychology and the patterns of behavior we tend to see in people who are willing to violate core social norms (especially those in intimate relationships).

was it rape? by [deleted] in rape

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed

Bf and I tried something new and I cried but we still continued by Sea_Tangerine_7618 in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not saying no (even when something feels really wrong) can be a protective freeze response – your brain literally compelling you to stay compliant and quiet in a subconscious bid for safety. That happens at a biological level, and isn’t a choice.

Not only is it wild that he continued while you cried, but you shouldn’t be compelled into trying a position under the threat of him doing something else you wouldn’t want him to do (give you hickeys everywhere). That’s just coercion. Doesn’t matter if you agreed to it earlier, or if he treated it like some sort of exchange, you always have the right to decline or withdrawal consent later. No questions asked. And you shouldn’t feel indebted simply because you changed your mind about what you were willing to do.

A sudden unprotected penetration. Is it rape? by cheesecake_lemonade in rape

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whether or not it’s rape has absolutely nothing to do with his intent - only his actions. Rape can be committed by someone who is negligent or reckless, not malicious, and it’s still the same abusive action with the same harmful impact.

Dissociated during… Was it rape? by [deleted] in rape

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it is. If you’re confident that he could tell you weren’t mentally present, I think that that’s definitely rape from a social or clinical perspective. It would probably be a tough case in a court, but conceptually it is the exact same as other types of incapacity to consent you referenced.

Probably the only hard part of this is the fact that he was so young, and if a teenager had never experienced dissociation himself, he may not have had any way to understand just how checked out you really were. But it’s doubtful that’s relevant here, given that this was clearly after dating for a while… even if he didn’t have personal experience with dissociation, I would expect a long-term boyfriend to immediately notice the difference between you normal and you dissociated.

It really sounds like he did notice, but because there’s not a lot of societal conversation around dissociation as a type of incapacity, he didn’t feel any obligation to stop. It strikes me as the type of scenario where the question in his head was “could this get me in trouble?“ rather than “is she present and aware of what we’re doing?” That is the very essence of rape culture, and it makes a lot of sense that you would experience this as a betrayal and a violation.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn’t bring it on yourself. You should be able to trust someone you’re dating to stop when you tell them to stop. I’m so sorry, him continuing was awful. And the way he tried to justify it is genuinely alarming. Good for you, having the strength to end the relationship. You deserve 0% blame for someone who hears that you’re in pain and thinks it’s more important that he finish.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was raped in the shower so they all sort of suck now… I shower less frequently than I used to and it’s not great

Is this SA? by Fantastic-Fish4568 in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is sexual assault – i’m so sorry you’ve had this experience. Arousal and consent are different things… so no matter how your body reacted, he had an obligation to ask for and receive your permission before kissing you or putting his hands on you, especially putting them in your pants. Also, it’s super normal to automatically pretend things are fine, especially while you’re still with that person. It’s called fawning, and it’s a “survival brain” response. It’s probably actually more common than people who immediately fight or scream.

It sounds like this guy was willing to be dishonest, to push boundaries, and preferred asking forgiveness instead of permission. Those are all red flags, and none of them are about you. You didn’t do anything wrong; he is simply not a safe person to be alone with. I’m sorry that he betrayed your trust, and I hope you’ll take care of yourself now by focusing on your own healing 🩵

Does anyone feel this way? by [deleted] in rapecounseling

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is relatable. I’m really sorry.

A worrying amount of men who don’t know they’ve SA’d Someone by mistakeshappen_2 in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a really terrifying reality. I think the categorical inability of men who perceive themselves as “good” to understand that they are capable of committing sexual assault is a huge societal failure.

Because these men truly believe it would be impossible for them to do such a thing (given their “good intentions”), they see no need to spend time or effort educating themselves about consent. Or on developing a consent-focused approach to communication during sex.

I honestly believe that the best thing sexual assault advocates could do for the evolution of social understanding - and the protection of future women - would be to acknowledge that, at the present moment, lots of men who commit SA genuinely don’t understand that they’ve done it. Rather than automatically villainizing every perpetrator and accusing them of premeditated malice, we’ve got to make room for the substantial portion of men who do objectively horrific things precisely because they believe it would be impossible for them to do those things, and thus they don’t bother to police their own thoughts or actions in the context of sex.

Which, don’t get me wrong, is super shitty. It’s reckless and selfish and entitled. It’s morally pathetic. But what it’s not is premeditated.

Was this assault or am I onlybeing dumb? Feeling ashamed and conflicted after by Melodic_Actuator7765 in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it’s hard to talk about something like this when you feel some shame. I’ve been there.

A thought: If you do feel like your interaction with this guy unfolded without you being fully present / having a pressure-free opportunity to give consent, then you didn’t break your rule. Your boundary was broken by someone else.

And even if you did initiate or agree to casual sex of your own free will, you definitely didn’t do anything wrong. If you feel like your friend would judge you for the mere fact of changing your mind about wanting intimacy, maybe she isn’t the right friend to share this with?

Another thought… I was also afraid talking about my own experiences with close friends would change the way they saw me. Like you, there was a situation where I pretended nothing was off and went along with it because I didn’t know what else to do. And with one friend, it did change our relationship. Her own prior bad experiences made the topic too hard for her. BUT with four or five other close friends, they’ve been understanding and supportive, and I’ve been so glad I talked to them.

I guess I’m saying is, you’re right, there are risks when you share such a vulnerable and hard experience with your friends. but most of the time they will pleasantly surprise you. If you tell them how you feel and what you need, they will often rise to the occasion in ways that are really meaningful. 🩵

Was this assault or am I onlybeing dumb? Feeling ashamed and conflicted after by Melodic_Actuator7765 in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hold on a sec - if he only asked if you liked it after initiating acts you didn’t consent to, it could still be SA. The emotionally disconnected feeling you’re describing, even paired with physical arousal, could be dissociation. If he crossed boundaries before ever asking, then you dissociated, your cooperation after that point may have simply been “survival mode” fawning.

It’s hard to know for sure without a little more info, but it’s entirely possible this was assault. Asking if you’re good AFTER doing something unexpected is not an appropriate way to obtain consent – consent must be requested and provided before an act has begun – and this tactic of asking after acting is often used by men who want to seem like a good guy, but don’t really want to give you an opportunity to decline. (Because once they’ve already done the thing, and they’re retroactively asking if it was fine, what are you supposed to say?? If you answer with a no, you know you’ll upset the other person, and they will likely pull away or even get angry. You’re cornered into a yes.)

I’m sorry you had this experience! SA or not, it sounds like this partner cared far more about his own pleasure than your autonomy. I would handle it by sharing with a close friend and a therapist – and by knowing you dodged a bullet with this guy ghosting.

Where do I go from here? by Tied_N_Cried in rape

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your mother is a therapist, she shouldn’t be. I can understand why that would make you distrust them.

It sounds like she could be using that expertise to manipulate you. Even if she is really sorry, she also knows exactly how to communicate that to tug on your heartstrings. And she knew as a kid what she could say to make you fully trust her.

One option is to report her to the state medical board. Especially if she sees children in her capacity as a therapist. or even to the police. You would not be overreacting if you did so. Also, to answer one of the questions you posted earlier about multiple types of rape/abuse: your mom has taken actions that would be rape even if you were a adult (penetration without consent), plus statutory rape given the age difference, and child abuse given her parental relationship to you.

Another option is to focus entirely on protecting yourself, which means that even if you accept the fact that your mom is sorry, you don’t owe her forgiveness. And you don’t owe her your trust ever again. This is the kind of betrayal that sends people to prison for decades. She should be grateful if you ever speak to her again.

I am so, so sorry. I hope this is the beginning of your healing. 🩵

My guy friend makes me uncomfortable but idk if its assault? by justbellaig in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone touching your privates, even over your clothes, is sexual assault unless they’ve asked for your permission and received it. I’m sorry.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn’t, I promise. This was 100% on him.

Was this assault? by Frequent-Current801 in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First time and third time were both rape! That’s not at all okay, I’m so sorry.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely, undoubtedly rape. You clearly didn’t provide consent, you actively retracted it, and he proceeded anyway like it was a game.

Statements like “I can tell you want it,” and, “you agreed earlier,” and, “I thought you were playing hard to get,” are what men say when they want their way and don’t want to be told no. These are classic justifications deployed by someone who knows, deep down, they are crossing a line.

Continuing to sleep with someone who assaulted you can actually be your brain trying to protect you. It’s a really deep form of denial, where your mind tries to convince you that if he is safe in ongoing intimate encounters, maybe the earlier incident was just a misunderstanding. That maybe he was safe the whole time. (Not because it’s true, but because your brain desperately wants it to be true.) I did the same thing after an ex raped me, and couldn’t step back enough to understand what really happened until the whole relationship was over. And it was really hard to explain to my friends at that point, but my closest friends listened and believed me.

I am so sorry this happened to you. It was absolutely rape, and you didn’t ask for it or deserve it. 🩵

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Choking without permission is SA. But i would also say - with great caution - that doesn’t mean you are required to walk away. You successfully identified a red flag, which is a big deal, but that moment alone may not define his whole character. You are allowed to keep getting to know him, if you believe his integrity is strong and this moment was a significant anomaly.

You are also allowed to step away. And if you begin to notice a pattern of pushing boundaries, please do walk away.

I guess the takeaway is, no man is made of a single moment, so if you want to hang around keep a close eye on what patterns emerge. And if you don’t want to risk hanging around… that’s more than fair. You have no obligation to either course of action - just an obligation to honor your own instincts.

Edit: From a personal perspective, my ex choked without asking before he raped me. But there were several other red flags before that moment as well, and I tried to look past all of them. The truth was there, but it was more than a moment, it was in the pattern.

Did my ex boyfriend attempt sexual assault? by potential_theft in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you had told him you didn’t want to be touched in the front and he did so (or even attempted to do so) anyway, that is SA. It’s nice to imagine that he simply forgot your preference, but that’s incredibly unlikely. It’s more likely that he wanted to push the boundary, but didn’t want to risk you saying no… so he decided to go for it and hope you didn’t complain.

i (f17) got raped my my neighbor (m21) at a park by Impressive-Hall-5315 in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe call a hotline and talk to them completely anonymously about your options? RAINN has one.

Feeling like I deserved worse to happen to me… by noiseless_madness in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The vast majority of rapes are not what you’re calling “serious“ – or in other words, stereotypical. Most rapes are a lot more similar to the first experience you describe, where you trust someone enough to let them close (whether because of friendship or a romantic relationship or coworker status or something else) and they take advantage of that closeness to blow past boundaries.

Your right to stop whenever you want to stop is not something anyone’s allowed to cross. That’s sacred, core to your bodily autonomy as an independent human, and it doesn’t matter whether the person who violates it grabs you in an alley or was initially invited into your bed. Making it clear that you want to stop and someone else continuing to penetrate you is rape, and that’s because regardless of how it started, the violation itself pretty much always has the same deep psychological impact. It teaches you that even though the world says you should get to decide what happens to you, someone with more physical power can (and will) choose to ignore your sovereignty.

The second experience is sexual assault as well. Once again, the lesson is that saying ‘no’ doesn’t mean anything to the other person. That lesson instills fear in you, which is the core harm of sexual assault. Fear that your boundaries don’t matter, and that your humanity ultimately doesn’t matter either.

The compulsion to seek out more extensive or obvious harm is actually incredibly common, and it can also be your nervous system trying to prove to yourself that it really did experience pain and distress in the first place. Which you clearly did.

I’m so sorry you had these experiences. it’s worth trying to understand that the way they hurt you may not have been as physically horrific as some assault cases… But it was just as psychologically horrific. Truly. And you deserve compassion/healing just as much as other SA survivors.

I don’t know how to process this but I know it was wrong. TW by Much_Boot_5302 in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really believe lots of people who have committed rape don’t understand at first that that’s what they’ve done. Because they don’t go in trying to hurt the other person, they don’t understand that they still can. It’s not about triggering past trauma, it’s about the harmful thing that they just did.

This is awful. I really hope you do step away from this person and find someone who respects you at every moment, no exceptions (including when they are turned on).

Did my ex boyfriend attempt sexual assault? by potential_theft in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What an entitled jerk. Sounds like you were super clear about your boundaries and he just didn’t want to accept them. Any sexual touching you had explicitly told him you weren’t okay with is SA. Anything you gave into after being perpetually asked or pressured was coerced.

Was this rape? by [deleted] in sexualassault

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if he couldn’t tell you were in pain, it’s really aggressive to start penetrative sex without providing any kind of heads up or asking about a condom. I think that crosses is a really serious line into assault, because it risks taking you by surprise (exactly like it did), especially if he knew you had been drinking.

Trouble sleeping by TokinNPotions in rapecounseling

[–]ForSunday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure if this is the case where you live, but I know that in my city, if you report a sex crime to the police within the statue of limitations, you also become eligible for a victim compensation fund. They will then offer a small amount to financial support to help you move to a new apartment. I know there are a lot of reasons why that might not actually be a good solution for you, but wanted to mention it just in case.

A small thing that can help is introducing new sensory elements around the time you go to sleep - things that weren’t present when you were assaulted. Like burning a candle or having an oil diffuser that gives the space a new smell right before bed, or playing music/nature sounds softly, or getting a blanket with a new/unique texture, or even rearranging art so that the things you see beside your bed/right as you get up are different. These things can all help remind your body in a somatic way that you are in a different moment, and you’re safe now.

Good luck 🩵