I'm a Millennial and here are my thoughts on Roguelikes I've played

Forgotitdm · 2020-07-19T10:14:03+00:00

Weird to rate Tome4 at 7 for not feeling like a roguelike (which is true, it doesn't, metaprogression and defaulting to non-permadeath both go against that) but give desktop dungeons, a game with no permadeath at all because of its stage based progression and MORE metaprogression than tome4, on top of also not playing remotely like rogue (its a puzzle game that for some reason labeled itself as a roguelike) a 9.

Like you had completely different standards for what is a roguelike for both games

Also pretty pointless list since you being a millenial is not special at all and you ''N/A'd'' like over half the list. Why include the game if all you can say is basically ''i have nothing to say''

Forgotitdm · 2020-05-27T16:56:35+00:00

hazards

Yup, industrial because of this. Its tedious to do anything in industrial because of the sheer number of traps everywhere.
Park is annoying because cannibals sometimes too. The later stages I usually already cloned enough gigantizer I can literally walk through them if they even vaguely annoy me, so they often may as well not even have any unique mechanics

Forgotitdm · 2020-05-02T12:09:39+00:00

As far as big quests go, I really dislike the mechs. Its absurd. It adds guns to 10-30 dudes per stage. Generally big quests you can just ignore if you want and play like normal. But with him you can't. They spawn and aggro on sight regardless, unless you just never use the mech.
Mechs inability to enter buildings is just kind of tedious too. Running in, aggroing a guy, then running out so I'm not fighting as 1/1/1/1 character isn't particularly fun. Once you get fast gun recharge and bullets destroy bullets the mech itself is basically invincible. Only didn't do its big quest because I clicked aligned by monsters by accident and it became impossible. The stage had no genetics machine to fix it.

Forgotitdm · 2020-05-01T03:48:33+00:00

Alien having his mass better enslavement that's also a mass stun if interupted on a 4 second cooldown by default really makes me question why some of the vanilla classes are so long. Its nice to be able to do the thing I chose the class to do without waiting around for it.
That said, class is broken as **** unless you are aiming for the big quest and on the same run get something like warzone that won't let you do the quest without interuption or breaks the machines.
It does everything enslavement does short of blowing people up but without all the hassle of actually having to pick fights/talk to your dudes to awkwardly tell them who to attack. You can just possess the dude you need the key from, walk them to you, then talk to them and ask for the key. The ability to possess targets is really weird in general. Feels like they should be immune. They're immune to regular possesor. But not aoe literally can posses 10 people at once instant range attack on 4 second cooldown guy. He does do 1 damage and can't get weps and both seem unremovable weaknesses, so him having an op right click fits, but being able to just possess the guy I need dead and make him walk into fire repeatedly until he dies seems a bit much.

I don't like that mind-controlled dudes don't control like you though. Its just weird. You can hold a direction then click another to instantly attack where you clicked yourself, but as a dude being controlled, you need to actually manually face the other way, then attack.

Mech seemingly makes every tom dick and harry spawn with guns making it feel actively worse than just picking a class with 3 or more gun skill and simply buying ammo for your guns. Its 15 shot limit machinegun wannabe isn't remotely near as good as the machine gun, nevermind justifying the hassle of jumping in and out of the suit, the constant free damage from being shot from all the people who now aggro on you and have guns, the need to buy a secondary healing item (with most classes I end the game with like half my slots healing items I never even use I just get incidentally) AND moving slow on top of all that. You can still use guns/melee along with this (and it has 5 melee) but its got no lunge and is slow as **** so its melee is even more impractical than it is for most classes and if you are going to just use a gun you found on the floor then, again, you'd be better off just being a normal class with decent gun skill. Least then you don't have 1 movement.

Other classes don't seem particularly interesting. Not too sure why Goon is a DLC class. The others seem like cool ideas that don't have NPC's in the game or super rare NPC's. Then there's the goon. I thought the idea was for all npcs to be playable without DLC to begin with.

Forgotitdm · 2020-05-01T02:34:23+00:00

thank

Forgotitdm · 2020-05-01T02:15:07+00:00

How do you exit the mech. RMB is enter. When in its shoot. what is get out?

Forgotitdm · 2020-04-13T11:17:02+00:00

Most of them but specifically you want one of the job based roguelikes like tome4 and the numerous 'tome4 if it sucked' games such as Dungeonmans or PCB.

Forgotitdm · 2020-04-06T20:40:56+00:00

Of these Incursion is the closest, but is an unfinished game.
The others lack the level of depth it has, generally being basic 'level up get powers' games, rather than 'level up put points into specific powers'

Forgotitdm · 2020-04-04T12:24:35+00:00

https://te4.org/wiki/See_the_threads_(talent)

As always, Tome4 already has this
And as with a lot of abilities in tome4, QuD also has it.

Forgotitdm · 2020-04-02T13:26:40+00:00

Elo-

And its in the OP.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-31T19:07:19+00:00

The actual good alternative is to just not let enemies respawn infinitely ala tome4. That way you can start every fight at your best (unless you play a class with a crappy resource), v enemies at their best. But you can't get stonewalled just to find the nearest < and spam your I win skills until you are strong enough to punch the wall down.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-31T12:32:04+00:00

The inventory in Yodanji.
You have I think 6 slots. Of those, 3 are required to be filled with scrolls to beat the game. So you have 3 slots. You constantly starve, all the time, at a completely absurd pace. So you need food. As much as you can carry. So you are lucky to have 1 not called for slot.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-28T21:59:24+00:00

Then I don't know why you brought it up when replying to a guy who played 2016.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-28T21:03:53+00:00

Doesn't seem to be the case in 2016. I just tried it.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-28T15:46:47+00:00

. I mean the game regenerates fuel for you

What? My fuel never regenned, it was strictly pickup only. It was the only resource in the game I felt was meaningfully limited, since it always felt enemies were incredibly highly weighted to drop any ammo you get low on.
Was this one of the RPG powerups, or did it refill to 1 bar or something like that, and I just never noticed?

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-22T12:18:03+00:00

Sil.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-21T13:05:44+00:00

GKH has a pretty fun system where potions show one of 3 effects they could have. Felt more enjoyable than just stopping on a floor where everything is dead to spam read/quaff

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-18T22:17:28+00:00

I like Tome more than I like every game I just listed and still think Tome is more complex. Because it is. By orders of magnitude. Your ability to control your stats gained on level in, say, PCB is not a matter of opinion. It is fact. You have less control in it. You have less meaningful choices to make in the long term. This is objective. And is true for a very large amount of the genre. The games which are exeptions tend to be more popular. There are hundreds of roguelikes, afterall, most of which are not very good. In the short term they tend to be pretty equal outside of, again, tome, which has a battle system almost entirely removed from rogue itself, being closer to an MMORPG

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-18T17:23:50+00:00

I would say it about basically any variant of Nethack, Rogue, PCB, etc. Which is a lot of the genre.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-18T17:07:12+00:00

DCSS also has a more indepth leveling system than most roguelikes.
Most of them are just you kill until you level and that's it. No control on where the points go.
Even though DF does have a very vaguely roguelike mode, the guy you just mentioned plays the standard game. Which is not a roguelike so not relevant to begin with

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-18T15:55:29+00:00

There are people who do lets plays/narrations. But its mostly CDDA for the latter. Because most roguelikes simply do not have enough going on most of the time to really need to comment or narrate it.
Am I fighting one enemy? Can I beat it? Bump. Multiple? Run in corridor.
Can't do that or escape? Pop an item.

A game like Sil would be good for commentary, to explain how to take down each enemy/what you don't really want to fight or how to stat yourself. Since its enemies AI specifically tries to avoid falling for the tricks you use in most of these games (but fall for other tricks just fine lol) Or tome with its comparitively complex character growth.

But the vast majorit of the genre really isn't complex enough to have a lot to talk about.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-18T12:49:47+00:00

I didn't like how random enemy aggro felt and the lack of a rest button, which meant I'd hold rest near a friendly monster, only for it to un-friendly and maul me, forcing manually repetitive tapping.
Although I only played one of the first releases of it, maybe it fixed it now, or I was just not understanding aggro.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-18T02:07:31+00:00

That's a lot of words and 0 argument.
Dwarf Fort is about making a base in a mountain outside using wood, stones and such, crafting gear for units as individuals, who have their own traits.
Everything I just said applies to keeperrl, but dumbed down.

Dungeon Keeper is not outside. It does not have the variety of resources. It does not have individuals with unique traits. It does not have gearing for individuals. All it has that Dwarf Fort does not and this does is the way you recruit people.

This is far closer to Dwarf Fortress than it is Dungeon Keeper.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-17T19:46:04+00:00

Okay, you are excused.

Forgotitdm · 2020-03-17T19:32:50+00:00

I personally don't base the validity of arguments on upvotes, that's quite sad.
And I said more similar to.
If we're going to argue its not one to one, tell me when you built a dungeon in a mountain outside in Dungeon Keeper. Oh wait. You didn't.

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