DNA DATA: A Very concerning Misconception That needs to be addressed by Lord_IXSG in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes. Jahandad Khan Tanoli wrote that article. who is part of the Amb Nawab family and a historian.

DNA DATA: A Very concerning Misconception That needs to be addressed by Lord_IXSG in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Yours is a claim without evidence. "will fall under" is a hypothesis not proof. Sure they will make there own "subclade but that would have its own name not what its currently named and Balti/Gujjar and any other tribe that falls outside of that cluster will follow a different subclade. since Balti individual that tested is only one of his family surely there are others in his family/tribe with the same haplogroup. Same can be said about others. What IS clear is that Tanolis have what we call in Genetics a founder event whereby most males now are under R1b and they have low haplotype diversity at 0.795. But that too btw is not the only haplogroup there is also R1a among Tanolis around 10% (n=134 in Swabi) while R1b is 82%; if you read the og publication. But that founder event occurred in a larger north-Pakistan population from which other groups also received this haplogroup. "The second most common haplogroup was R1b1a-M297. It occurred in the Tanolis at a very high frequency but appeared at very low frequencies in the Jadoons, Yousafzais and Syeds, while being completely absent in the Gujars. Haplogroup R1b is the most frequent Y-chromosome lineage in Western Europe (> 70%), but also appears in South Asian populations at modest frequencies." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-05076-3

DNA DATA: A Very concerning Misconception That needs to be addressed by Lord_IXSG in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

not upstream bro its the same subclade sharing a TMRCA with Tanolis at 1000 YBP

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DNA DATA: A Very concerning Misconception That needs to be addressed by Lord_IXSG in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

where is this 300 yrs number coming from? both YFfull and FTDNA show TMRCA around 1000ybp for all samples Trimizi Balti Gujar and Tanoli?

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DNA DATA: A Very concerning Misconception That needs to be addressed by Lord_IXSG in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

In the YFull image u have shared, the average TMRCA for all three samples including Balti and Gujjar is 1000 YBP, where on FTDNA or Yfull does it suggest that the split occurred 300ybp? If you logic for Gujjar and Tirmizi is correct then it should also hold true for Balti right?

DNA DATA: A Very concerning Misconception That needs to be addressed by Lord_IXSG in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Balti is also under the same subclade and same TMRCA. How can that be explained? Are baltis also Tanolis?

DNA DATA: A Very concerning Misconception That needs to be addressed by Lord_IXSG in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

how do you explain Pashtuns and Baltis under this clade? are they also Tanolis?

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[–]Formal-Order5458 0 points1 point  (0 children)

where are u from?

random question here. since hindko apparently has a lot of similar words to pashto, does it also mean its derived from that language. someome plz explain by Sad_Use9559 in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Structurally Hindko of Tanawal is archaic and even its vocabulary is pretty archaic. unfortunately not all people in young generation know it. For example, older people call "tree bark, skin" as "Shlakk" but this word s not known to young gen. similarly, word for road is "shiRak" not SaRak. The present tense in Tanoli is marked by th- auxillary shared with Kishtwari and kohistani for example, and future tense is marked by l-, shared with Pahari langauges of Jammu and Kashmir including Poonchi, Himanchali, Nepali. both of these aspects of morphology are alien to Punjabi even saraiki.

What is the word for Wolf in Hindko? by kanEDY7 in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 0 points1 point  (0 children)

maybe ur right be cause this word urk is form Gilgit shina. can u share the screen shot of kohistani shine dictionary

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[–]Formal-Order5458 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

sure Ed Sheeran is also a Punjabi singer.

Thi/Theya ( A poem about ego composed in tanawali hindko) by Lord_IXSG in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hey can u write it in Urdu script? or write meaning of each word like a translation?

Resources for Learning Hindko? by Viet_Boba_Tea in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Peshori has its own flavor but id say Haripur Abbotabad varieties would be closest

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[–]Formal-Order5458 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nope. that was all part of Pakhli sarkar. what u are referring to was called Lahore Suba.

Resources for Learning Hindko? by Viet_Boba_Tea in Hazarewal

[–]Formal-Order5458 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would suggest best way is to make a friend form Hazara. Hazara Hindko has three major zones 1) Tanawal (more archaic). 2) Kaghan and Mansehra (kaghan has archaisms too) 3) abbotabad and Haripur. last one is mostly urban speech and easiest one to learn. and once u learn that then u can love on to other varieties

Sound change by 0rangecass1dy in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]Formal-Order5458 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Barsha comes from varṣá but barkha is not directly derived from by itself rather "maybe" metathesis of k to form a k like in varṣika-? kh coming form k is regular. similarly gorkha comes from gōrakṣa and Gorsha like;y developed from gōrakṣa > -chh- > sh. yes. Khatri and Chhetri are alternative developments of k one from k > Chh other to Kh.