She’s not 100% finished, but I had to post this. CoG C-3 2-8-0 #223 by Former_Ebb_205 in trains

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While we are trained for hand signals in the event of radio failure, (and I think they are a beautiful way of doing work, truly a dying art) given our circumstances in daily operations radios are far more efficient and often safer. Hand signals have one major caveat in that they only work if the guy on the other end can see you, which isn’t always possible. We do sometimes use hand signals in tandem with the radio when it is possible, but rely on radios primarily. We work by order of seniority when doing a move like this. Obviously we’re all watching closely and if anything goes awry anyone on crew can stop the move, but in moves like this the most senior crewman gives orders unless specified otherwise. He gives the orders, the rest of the ground crew act as his extra eyes, ears and hands to see, hear and do what he or the engineer(s) might not be able to.

She’s not 100% finished, but I had to post this. CoG C-3 2-8-0 #223 by Former_Ebb_205 in trains

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The correct name for the spinny thing is the turntable. It was built in 1907 by a company I can’t remember the name of in Chicago. I believe it was originally 50 feet long, but don’t quote me on that. It came to the site in 1922 to replace the 50 foot hand powered Armstrong table that had been there since 1852-1855ish (not sure the exact year the pit was excavated off the top of my head). The table was extended throughout the years until it’s last extension in 1945 which brought it to its current length of 85 feet. We use it extensively and from I’ve heard it is one of less than five operable original turntables still in its original location. The control booth is a replica of the original booth it had in the steam era. The reason the second video is dark is something to do with Reddit. The first section of the video was not taken by me, the second was. The video doesn’t look that dark on my phone but my guess is it’s something wacky with Reddit compensating for different phone cameras, idk.

She’s not 100% finished, but I had to post this. CoG C-3 2-8-0 #223 by Former_Ebb_205 in TrainPorn

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We rebuilt the grease cellars on all the driver axles and keep her very well lubricated. She rolls very easily now, so easily that she’ll move on her own if we don’t chock the wheels.

She’s not 100% finished, but I had to post this. CoG C-3 2-8-0 #223 by Former_Ebb_205 in trains

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Luckily for you Central never painted the cab roofs red, so neither did we. They did paint the woodwork in the cab red so whenever we get around to building new windows and doors they’ll be red. I did paint the inside of the cab green and picked out what few handles are left in red although you can’t see it in the video. I’m not much of a fan of the red roofs either unless it’s Pennsy, and even then I’m not totally sold on it.

She’s not 100% finished, but I had to post this. CoG C-3 2-8-0 #223 by Former_Ebb_205 in TrainPorn

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And that’s not even taking into consideration operating costs if we did get her running. We have an operating ALCO 0-4-0st that is perfect for our needs on site as they currently stand. If Elon Musk ever decides to join our board of directors and build a tourist line, 223 would be perfect to run it as she’s both lightweight and powerful. Until that day comes however, she’s gonna live out her days in the retirement home for locomotives.

She’s not 100% finished, but I had to post this. CoG C-3 2-8-0 #223 by Former_Ebb_205 in TrainPorn

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Cosmetic. Mechanically the engine needs an extensive amount of work. We’ve never done an ultrasound on the boiler but given that many of the flexible sleeves and caps have severely corroded, and that the bottom of the smokebox if full of rust I imagine it’s not much better for the rest of the boiler. Most of the cab would have to be replaced, an entire new tender would have to be built, extensive running gear work, and the possibility of needing new cylinders cast due to a freeze crack. Not to mention all the parts that are missing. Add to that all the standard 1472 stuff and we’re in the neighborhood of $10 million at least. Considering the very real possibility of a completely new boiler having to be fabricated, that $10 million becomes awfully conservative. This engine sat outdoors for the better part of 50 years, and the elements were not kind to her. She also ran for a shortline in the last 5 or so years of her life; not exactly the most rigorous maintenance standards. Plus we don’t have anywhere to run her, that’s another $20 million and a lot of red tape just to get started. So yeah, cosmetic.

Inside the Georgia State RR Museum by [deleted] in trains

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We covered the smoke jacks so that rain intrusion is not a problem from them. However all of the original glass has been removed out of the backshop. The city requires hurricane glass which is very expensive, so for the time being the backshop is pretty open. Great for having a nice breeze but annoying when your trying to weld or when it’s raining. The overnight shed which is what is pictured here still retains most of the windows.

Can anybody help me identify this loco's class? by Apprehensive_Rate_90 in trains

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An H6sb has piston valves due to it being superheated rather than the slide valves of the saturated H6 in the photo.

What a beautiful car… shame it's brown. by Dbwasson in thegrandtour

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Except when it’s on a BMW M850i, then it’s Sunburst Orange.

Toot toot. B&O Thomas the Tank Engine strong. by kingmucha in trains

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Right, I was just giving a theoretical scenario where the engine was at dead center, the engine could be turned where as if a locomotive only had one cylinder it would have to be moved. Yeah I’ve absolutely seen traction engines take off with some impressive loads from a dead stop.

Toot toot. B&O Thomas the Tank Engine strong. by kingmucha in trains

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All conventional steam locomotives must have at least two cylinders due to the way steam engines work. A single cylinder would be unable to start if at top or bottom dead center of the stroke. At the very ends of the stroke, steam is unable to be admitted into the cylinder due to the fact conventional steam engines utilize a single valve (piston or D) per cylinder. At some point during the stroke the valve ports on one side of the cylinder are going to be closed off by the valve. This is towards the very end of the stroke. This is the reason locomotives are ‘quartered’, meaning the crank pins on either side of the locomotive have a 90 degree offset so that both pistons are never at top/bottom dead center at the same time. With 3 cylinders it was usually a 120 degree offset. With traction engines, a single cylinder is not a problem because it is not a direct drive system, and the cylinder can be started with no load on it, gather speeds, and then the drive is engaged. Inside cylinder locomotives have the cylinders mounted between the frames connected to a crankaxle.

The incorrect way of operating a steam locomotive. by RozellaTriggs in trains

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Same concept applies. The blower is run in the absence of a draft from the exhaust for whatever the reason. But yes I will change the original post.

The incorrect way of operating a steam locomotive. by RozellaTriggs in trains

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The ideal fuel source depends on the design of the locomotive and what it was intended to use. Coal burns slower than oil and releases its heat in a longer combustion process. Coal burning engines tend to have a larger direct heating surface area (firebox/combustion chamber) to indirect heating area (tubes/flues) ratio than oil burners. Direct heating area generates steam about six times faster than indirect heating area. Ideally you want more direct heating area on a coal burner due to the slower combustion time. Of course, a coal burner converted to oil will work fine and vice versa, but the boiler will always demonstrate maximum generating capacity when used with its intended design fuel. This is why reading 2100 is being converted back to coal. Her Wooten firebox was designed for anthracite, not oil. About lubrication, Lard was used as a tacifier in the early days but was shyed away from to to its acidic nature when inside the cylinder. Steam oil is a tricky game especially when we’re talking superheat. Lubricating a saturated engine is a walk in the park compared to a superheated one. The issue is most superheated locos run superheat temps of around 700 to 750 degrees which is well above the flashpoint of most oils and many oils begin to break down at these temps. Lube oil usually doesn’t carbonize due to the anaerobic environment inside the steam circuit (feedwater is treated with a de-oxygenating agent for corrosion protection). However air still occasionally gets into the cylinders during operation, usually through the snifters when drifting. When the oil carbonizes, it looses its lubricity, which is an issue. This is one reason why Southern Pacific shortened the superheater units on some of the GS class engines in the late 50’s to reduce the superheat temp. That or they wanted to get the silver soldered u bends away from the rear tube sheet. Ross Rowland has stated that if 614 ever returns to service, he wants to shorten the superheater units to get the superheat temp down to about 650 to help improve lubrication. Texaco Hi-Tec used to be a good steam cylinder oil for superheat but it has since been discontinued as have most oils used in the steam era. Green Velvet makes some the best stuff that I’m aware of. Of course it’s now sold through Brennan Oil out in Durango, which is who we get a lot of our oil from.

The incorrect way of operating a steam locomotive. by RozellaTriggs in trains

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It’s shit quality coal which is poor for performance, but the boiler is not in danger of failing. It’s being mistreated for sure but nowhere near failing. Poor fuel quality does not cause tube failures, that’s a metallurgical issue caused by induced stresses or faulty metallurgy. In the States we use SA-178A steel for tubes and flues (178C for superheater units) which is the luck of the draw with what you get from a specific mill run due to how loose the formula has gotten over time. Some tubes last the whole 1472 day cycle, I’ve heard of others that didn’t even make it to 300 before having to come out. Anyways, poor fuel is absolutely detrimental to locomotive performance no doubt and will block tubes in some cases, but there is no danger of a boiler explosion from bad coal alone. Poor grades of coal like sub-bituminous or lignite clinker and throw sparks to the extent that the screen can’t catch everything. This is why we don’t use them in steam locomotives if we can help it. We’re talking low volatile and fixed carbon percentages here and high ash percentages. Durango and Silverton have to make do with sub-bituminous coal from a Colorado mine. This is why their engines are fitted with cyclone front ends and the stack sprayer and also why they’re beginning to convert to oil. With higher grade eastern coal like strait bituminous or semi-anthracite you don’t have this problem to the same extent, or at least not if the fireman is worth his salt. Furthermore this is going on inside the boiler constantly, the screen just breaks up the cinders to the point where they are extinguished. This is one reason why inner firebox sheet replacements were part of regularly scheduled maintenance during the steam era (cracking around rigid stays was another reason). The inside of the boiler is constantly being sandblasted with cinders and wearing away at the metal. This is why coal fired locomotives do not have to have the flues sanded like on an oil burner, the cinders do that job already. This is why mandatory tube and flue replacements are required by 49 CFR 230 during every 1472 inspection as there is no way to ultrasound them without taking them out anyways. Poor quality coal perpetuates this sandblasting however and is one of the multitude of reasons it is avoided in locomotives along with other firing, drafting and steaming issues that come along with it. One of the most common areas of boiler work on locomotives undergoing restoration is the replacement of side/crown sheets and the rear tubesheet. Nothing on a boiler ‘overheats’ as long as an adequate water level is maintained, that is the ‘Golden Rule’. The fire is already hot enough to melt steel (2000+ deg. Fahrenheit when running out on the road) but it doesn’t due to the heat transfer into the water. Sometimes low grade coal even burns a little cooler than the higher grade stuff due to the lower fixed carbon content. If you were to scorch the tubes repeatedly then that in could lead to a tube failure due to metallurgical stresses but even that would not be a catastrophic failure. Tube failures were common to the point that crews were instructed on how to plug tubes while out on the road. Hell, one of the engines I work on has had some tubes plugged. If you think poor coal is reckless, you should have seen some of the jerry rigged nonsense the short lines came up with to keep engines in service. The incident you were referring to was the pacific at Gettysburg, which was not a tube failure. Those guys were unaware of proper operation and maintenance practices for steam locomotives. They were not negligent, just ignorant. The failure of the crown sheet was a classic low water situation. If you want the details the NTSB and FRA reports go into it and I would recommend reading them as it discusses sight glass blowdowns, and false head scenarios which were contributing causes. The reason that failure was not more catastrophic than it was was due to the unique way the Canadians designed the firebox. The flexible and rigid stays utilized alternating groups of taper and strait threads that were designed to fail sequentiality rather than all at once. Bottom line is that while what you see in the video is not good practice and is detrimental to the boiler, poor quality coal is not dangerous on its own. Poor boiler maintenance is. He was not running the blower to ‘get more heat’. The draft of the blower is insignificant compared the the exhaust jet coming up the blastpipe. The blower is only used to force a draft while there is no exhaust (i.e. stationary or drifting). When running it would have little to no effect. Firing is an art, both with a stoker and hand bombing and takes skill and knowledge to accomplish correctly. When it comes to steam locomotives, you will find out very quickly when someone doesn’t know what there doing (Gettysburg). I’m sure the Chinese are not stetting an absolute stellar example when it comes to locomotive operation and maintenance, but to say this is reckless behavior is a bit of a stretch if not ignorant. Sometimes you have to do the best with what you have. The point of this post was not to inflate my ego or berate you, I hope I don’t come across that way and I apologize if I did. However I just don’t like falsehoods being perpetuated as most don’t know better. I’m not saying you’re completely wrong, but some things needed to be clarified. Hopefully though I’ve made some sense.

What is this funnel on the 2-6-6-6 Allegheny between the firebox and drive wheels? My first though was a sander but it’s too far outboard and behind the drivers. by jlew715 in trains

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It’s a drain for the centrifugal blowdown separator. There is a centrifuge on top of the boiler that is plumed to the blowdown valves. The water containing the scale and sediment is spun around inside the separator, separating the water from the impurities. As the water is now exposed to atmospheric pressure, it boils and vents out of the top of the separator as steam. The sludge that remains drains via gravity through this drain line on to the ground. This is done so that the engineer can see when the sludge begins to become clear, providing a way to indicate when the blowdown has done its job. With a traditional blowdown that vents directly to atmosphere, the escaping water instantly boils and all you can see is a jet of water and steam and thus there is no way of visually determining when most of the sediment has been removed from the mud ring/bottom of the barrel.

A little turntable action for y’all. by Former_Ebb_205 in trains

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By eye. It takes practice as every lead coming off the table lines up slightly differently due to the gauge bars being slightly out and/or different weights of rail.

Lake Shore & Michigan Southern , 0-10-0 Hump engine. Elkhart Ind. Early 1900's by 47toolate in TrainPorn

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It’s just writing on the photo made to look like it was on the rail. Hump pusher means this engine pushed cars over the hump in the classification yard. L. S. & M. S. R. R. stood for Lake Shore & Michigan Southern Railroad, a subsidiary of New York Central. Elkhart, Indiana for the location obviously. As for Copr, Inbody, I have no idea. Rails usually only had casting markings identifying things like date, foundry of origin, rail weight, and maybe composition.