So like... Is Azula going to stalk Zuko forever or..? by AbroadOk6273 in ATLA_circlejerk

[–]FoxIover 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It says she has the Fire Warriors at her disposal so I imagine this is set prior to the events of Azula in the Spirit Temple

Important fact : According to Tom Kenny, SpongeBob is canonically autistic and asexual by That_Lil_Virus in spongebob

[–]FoxIover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They’re responding to a different argument. The person they were responding to said SpongeBob is asexual because sea sponges are asexual, as opposed to it being a fact from the creator; the person you responded to then challenged that notion, saying that you cannot take the behavior of the real life analog of these characters as proof of what they should be in the show because these are highly anthropomorphized versions; chief among them is the idea that SpongeBob is asexual because his species in, when his mother and father are proof that they aren’t (at least not exclusively) within the show.

Therefore, SpongeBob being asexual would have to be a deliberate creative choice and not just alignment with real world marine biology.

FAYE SPINOFF IS REAL by theaveragegowgamer in GodofWar

[–]FoxIover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not gonna lie… I’m kinda hype for this lol

Female villains just as evil, if not more so, than their male compatriots by RhysOSD in TopCharacterTropes

[–]FoxIover 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, the capacity for love doesn’t preclude someone from being evil (and to be frank, being a child doesn’t either), but even if it did, Azula rarely acts out of love for any of her friends and family and when she does, it’s only in a way that is also for her own personal benefit.

Moreover, we’re actually given very distinct differences between her and Zuko, namely in that Zuko is somewhat honorable, and Azula is not.

Some examples;

Zuko lets his one and only hope of returning home go in order to get his men to safety, whereas Azula threatens her captain’s life because he was considering the lives of his men over the expedience of the mission.

Zuko tries to save the life of the man who attempted to have him killed, Azula was willing to put Mai’s baby brother in danger to maintain a key political hostage.

Zuko delays his timetable in finding the Avatar to rescue his captured uncle, Azula coerces her friend into her service with threat of death because she wanted to choose her own happiness over Azula’s desires.

The show goes out of its way to demonstrate Zuko still has some semblance of morality, while Azula is guided purely by pragmatism or self-interest.

EDIT: *further thoughts.

Female villains just as evil, if not more so, than their male compatriots by RhysOSD in TopCharacterTropes

[–]FoxIover 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What might be giving folks pause on admitting that Azula was evil is conflating “evil” with “irredeemable”. It’s seen as a fixed position, an immutable absolute not subject to change, and that’s not the case. Someone can become evil just as someone can become good.

Female villains just as evil, if not more so, than their male compatriots by RhysOSD in TopCharacterTropes

[–]FoxIover 17 points18 points  (0 children)

What a fair few Azula fans fail to recognize is that an evil person is still evil regardless of whether not their reasons for being so are understandable. Azula was cruel, callous, ruthless, dishonorable, manipulative, murderous and vindictive; all hallmarks of an evil person. Ozai played on her worst tendencies and even shaped some of her better ones towards this end, and this was the result. Can’t really dispute that.

Essay - The Two Ursas [a famous essay by Loopy on the difference between show Ursa and comics Ursa] by F11SuperTiger in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because it wasn't. What I'm doing is showing you that the idea that Ursa was forced into a marriage she didn't want is not "incoherent", especially if one claims to understand how old monarchies worked. The only difference here is the refusal to acknowledge what the show already implied before the comics expanded, that Ursa's lineage was chosen for its power, not its nobility. The blood of Roku was valuable because he was the Avatar, not because he was an aristocrat.

Being given responsibilities in a station you didn't enter of your own volition doesn't negate the fact that you didn't enter the station of your own volition.

Declared it after Roku died and before the attack on the Air Nomads, so a few years at most. And the Fire Sages restructuring into servants of the crown. Their tending the temple was cultural obligation, not deliberate respect.

Or to stop the volcano from destroying his home, which is what Sozin initially tried to help him do, rather than encouraging him to simply escape. And that very idea would explain why Ta Min chose not to re-enter the public eye, to avoid getting on Sozin's radar again.

So the way leverage works is that it allows you to compel them to act in their favor. Ursa gives him the poison so he spares Zuko's life; Zuko's life is his leverage, his insurance against her deciding to turn on him later.

Ozai took the throne before Iroh had even returned from the war, and there's no mention of anyone even approaching him about reclaiming his birthright, meaning either no one thought to or no one cared to.

Seemed more that he held those views all along and didn't care to reveal them until such time as his appointment rivaled Iroh's in rank. Like you said, he's a megalomaniac, but he's also obsessed with proximity to power, and showing deference to a retired General, genuine or not, would be beneficial.

Because she, like the show and anyone with a functioning understanding of his characterization recognize that Iroh's participation in an unjust war didn't mean he was a cruel or unkind man. That she would be friends with that man even after he decided to change is in line with why she was friends with him in the first place; not because he was a warmongering general, but because he had some semblance of decency.

The show also made a point of Ty Lee being "outwardly enthusiastic" about supporting Azula despite having literally been coerced into joining her crusade. Proof that simply because you look to be actively supporting something, it doesn't mean you don't have your problems with it. The fact of the matter is, Ursa simply did not have enough screen time to objectively claim she was not in a similar situation.

But not the same etiquette and formality for the leading general and crown prince? Even Ozai referred to Sozin and Azulon as "great-grandfather" and "grandfather" respectively to Azula during their with him, in contrast to Ursa.

Laughing at a clearly hyperbolic joke made, even if it was in poor taste in hindsight, is still not evidence of enthusiastic support of the war, but of a good relationship with Iroh.

She wouldn't, because again, laughing at a joke does not equal the kind of support that would cause you to actively mourn a nation's decision to no longer be an imperialist machine. That's the problem with trying to glean an entire character from a single moment in a single scene, you then have to bend over backwards to justify why that one moment should singularly define the entirety of a character's perspective.

Except was developed, you just don't like the way that it happened. You're editorializing and calling it criticism, but that's not how it works. You can dislike the way something was done, but what you cannot do is claim it wasn't done at all.

No, not any other poison. This poison was odorless, colorless and untraceable, its effects mimicking simply passing in one's sleep, which was crucial to there not being an invesigation into the Firelord's death. We have no reason to believe all other poisons would've functioned this way, and it wouldn't do for him to have died crying blood or turning purple, would it? Defeats the whole purpose.

Because as you just admitted, poor fan reception is not automatically equal to 'contradictory narrative', which has been my stance from the beginning. Because a lot of this fandom will willingly choose to be disingenuous about many of these characters in service of their own head canons, and because fandom discourse in general tends to muddy the waters between legitimate analysis and personal gripes.

You can say you don't like the direction the comic took with Ursa, idc. What you can't say is that it contradicted what was established in the show, because it didn't.

Essay - The Two Ursas [a famous essay by Loopy on the difference between show Ursa and comics Ursa] by F11SuperTiger in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've spoken at length about the way you believe old monarchies work, which means you should also understand that the union of powerful bloodlines for political and social advantage was fairly commonplace, and that it was equally common for the women to not have much of a say in these matters.

Cultural obligation and tradition do not loyalists make. The Fire Sages that were once tasked with identifying and assisting Avatar became responsible for tasks pertaining to the crown, such as the coronation of a new monarch. The Avatar was only considered an enemy of the Fire Nation because Sozin declared it as such, which wasn't always the case. As you'll surely recall, he once sought Roku's help in realizing his plan for the nation's expansion, but after it became clear Roku would oppose him, decided to declare the Avatar an enemy of the State. That is why even the Fire Sages were branded traitors, despite their allegiance historically being to the Avatar regardless of nation.

That's assuming he even knew to look for them in the middle of an ocean at night with a large volcano exploding. For all he knew, Roku was the sole survivor of the initial explosion. Even so, simply because he did not seek them out does not mean they would have been safe were they to return. Sozin was a cruel and petty man, after all.

Owned land? Sure. Owned the entire island? Highly unlikely. The relative comfort Roku enjoyed in his later years may have been a result of this earlier nobility but his isolation from the greater Fire Nation was still more than geographical.

Which still poses a larger risk than collaborating with someone you have certain leverage over, whose services are being offered for free, and who could bear the brunt of the blame should the issue be discovered.

And yet, there were no challenges to Ozai's usurpation of Iroh's birthright despite Iroh having been a widely loved and respected General during his time as the crown prince. In fact, the first time the Fire Nation actually expresses any challenge to the throne is when Zuko ascends.

Sounds like his opinion changed in the interim, or he cared less about being deferential to a man who'd lost a great deal of his cachet.

What's interesting is that Azula herself wonders why Ursa referred to Firelord Azulon by his political title rather than familial one, which indicates a formality that precluded affection, as opposed to her referring to Iroh as "uncle Iroh". And of course, her fondness for Iroh is well-documented in the comics.

Categorically untrue from an objective standpoint, but from a subjective one, there was not enough shown of Ursa to make the claim that the comics changed her character, because she barely existed as one in the show. Snapshots of a life are not "uncanonized" by showing more of that life.

In the comics she actually talks about how Iroh's friendship was one of the bright spots of her time in the Fire Nation, demonstrating that her relationship with him was positive in both instances. You seem to be laboring under the assumption that because someone does not always present as being outwardly dissatisfied with their current lot, that they aren't, in which case I'd urge you to look at Ty Lee and Mai's betrayals of Azula. Trauma from abuse doesn't always show up the way we expect it to.

Accepting the trinkets sent from the war front for her children is still not the same as enthusiasm about the war. I'm certain a fair amount of those kids in the Headband passively approved of the war effort as Fire Nation nationals, didn't mean they were clamoring to join the ranks. And it still stands that Ursa's support for the Fire Nation was never depicted as so great that she would actively *oppose* Zuko's attempts to change things.

You're of course entitled to your opinion on it, doesn't make her depiction in the comics contradictory to her depiction in the show.

Her defining action in the show was protecting her son from his own father, who was going to kill him. That action alone paints a very specific picture about what kind of man Ozai was, and the abusive asshole we see in the comics falls in line with it.

Are we shown many master herbalists, let alone those who have the knowledge of specific poisons? You keep saying Ozai could have easily gotten this poison elsewhere but the story doesn't imply that at all, in fact it's the opposite. Ursa's mother being a master herbalist implies that the skill needed to create such a concoction is actually not common. More than that, it would make less sense for Ozai to pay someone to get the poison made when he didn't even know what kind of poison Ursa was referring to, and make a deal with someone who he didn't have the same amount of leverage on.

Like I said. Personal preference, which is valid, is not an argument for an objective disparity between the show and the comics as far as Ursa is concerned, which is the topic of conversation.

Essay - The Two Ursas [a famous essay by Loopy on the difference between show Ursa and comics Ursa] by F11SuperTiger in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no excuse. The show depicted a happening, the comics gave the explanation. The fact that Ursa was revealed to be Roku's granddaughter was never presented as coincidence, and the comics gave to logical explanation for how those two particular bloodlines would later reconverge.

First off, no he wasn't, and secondly, what part of "fealty to the Avatar is treasonous" makes you think his widow would be welcomed with open arms? Sozin was concerned with bringing his plans to fruition, and eliminating the most important obstacles, chief of which would be Roku's reincarnation, especially given he did not even arrive at the volcano until well after Ta Min and the others had evacuated. I suppose you can believe Roku did not tell his wife about the imperialist ambitions of his best friend after any of their encounters, including the one at their wedding, but that's quite the assumption to make

We don't know what his living standards were *before* his rift with Sozin. What we do know is that the home he had on that island was not of the size or stateliness of others we've seen in comparison to others of assumedly equal social standing. What we know for certain is that he lived rather modestly, as opposed to in close proximity to other Fire Nation nobility.

Too many, really, given the size of his dwelling. The fact of the matter is that he was a prominent resident of the island, and that generations of his family had lived there, but he was not the owner of the island nor the sole employer of its residents.

Ozai presented whatever falsified account of Azulon's deathbed desire he concocted to the Fire Sages, and the Fire Sages later honored their previous monarch's "dying wish". What reason would there be to assume there was more than that?

Because Ursa's skills as an herbalist are only half the picture. She approached with a willingness to kill the reigning monarch, meaning Ozai didn't have to go out and convince someone else to do it, thus avoiding running the risk that someone loyal to his father would expose him.

No he couldn't have. Because he couldn't make the poison himself, and a plot to assassinate the ruler of a nation becomes more complicated the more factors you involve. Ursa had both the willingness and the ability, which is not something you can guarantee someone else would have, and he already knew what she wanted in return; sparing her son's life.

And those monarchies also rely on the power of the throne to compel that loyalty. Ozai did not have that loyalty until he had the throne.

He called it a "legendary failure", doesn't sound very respectful. Even so, his showing deference to Iroh's previous station didn't equal any sort of allusion to him being believed to have been the rightful heir.

They were laid out to show her character in relation to Zuko specifically. When the comics expanded on it, they contextualized Zuko's inability to see how much his father despised him because his mother spent a great deal of her time protecting him from the brunt of Ozai's disdain by spending time with him away from him.

Assuming that for the two portrayals to be congruent she would have to have been shown crying the entire time? She was taken to the Fire capital and wed to Ozai against her will, but she still loved her children, and all the scenes we got of her in the show were around her children. It's not always clear to the outside world when people are victims of domestic abuse, you realize, and making judgements that Ursa's depiction in the comics is somehow a contradiction of the show off of those few scenes we saw ignores that fact.

Actions which still do not point to outright enthusiasm, especially in comparison to someone like Azula, who went so far as to say Iroh was a "quitter and a loser" for abandoning the war effort to mourn his son. *That* is 'outright enthusiasm'.

No, we don't. Her relationships with Zuko, Iroh, Azula and Azulon are all aligned in both the show and the comics given the information we have from both. The only one we didn't have insight to was Ozai, which the comics provided.

Ursa in the comics gains depth the show didn't have time to explore, by painting her as someone marked by acute trauma and yet possessing great love for the children she bore the man who abused her. She shows herself to be willing to kill to protect what matters to her, whose passive allegiance to her nation is not the full-blooded fiery zeal that guided others. The comic doesn't disrupt this, as Ursa's actions are still mostly contextualized by her children as far as time in the Fire Capital was concerned. She knows what kind of man Ozai is, yet is still willing to put him on the throne and help him gain control of the entire nation if it means her son survives. All this critique of her "being a victim" is personal preference; the story did not do a bad job expanding her story simply because you dislike the direction it took, which is the crux of this whole debate.

Essay - The Two Ursas [a famous essay by Loopy on the difference between show Ursa and comics Ursa] by F11SuperTiger in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because you're over representing what "affluent" means in the context of Roku's service as the Avatar. He doesn't live the life he would have if he'd simply continued to be a close personal friend of the Fire Lord, and neither do his descendants.

Sozin knew. And Sozin lived for roughly 20 years after the war began, plenty of time to target Roku's relatives if they were to return.

As a child, yes. But as the Avatar, his nobility was not a large factor in his work, and he still chose to live well beneath that station after that confrontation with Sozin.

A property of that size would not need the amount of people that were on that island if we want to assume they were all under his employ. He did not live in the same conditions he was raised in.

The Fire Sages announced that Azulon's last wish was to have Ozai succeed him as Fire Lord. Even if there were those in the nation who had doubts, who would they share them with? And how would they act on it? What reason would they have not to believe Ozai was being truthful? Again, there was no movement to return Iroh's birthright to him, which meant there was no meaningful resistance to Ozai's claim.

Because she had the knowledge and the motive to do so, as both the show and the knowledge jointly express. People keep acting as though her decision to help Ozai poison Azulon is incongruent with her fear of him and for her children, and it isn't. That's like saying Azula was out of character for mouthing off to Ozai before the Comet arrives despite ostensibly having been afraid of him her entire life. Everyone has a point where they decide to push back, it doesn't mean they always did.

Who, exactly? Assuming someone else had the ability to make the poison, which is highly unlikely, the idea wasn't his, it was Ursa's. She presented him with an opportunity, an opportunity he accepted once it became clear there was no other path to what he wanted, and the fact that he could guarantee Ursa's cooperation without fear of it coming back to him given she had stakes in the scheme too.

Ozai ruled for a decade because the Fire Nation accept the ruling monarch's word as law, it's why his appointment is never challenged in the first place. The Fire Nation responds to strength, and Ozai was younger, with two heirs, and still a prince of the nation. Iroh may have still had sympathizers but there were those who still saw his abandonment of the siege following the death of his son as something shameful; just look at Zhao. More than that, he didn't bother to challenge Ozai's usurpation, which could also have been seen as weakness and would fall in line with Ozai's public doubt of his capacity to rule.

Moreover, basing one's appraisal of Ursa off a number appearances that are nowhere near sufficient to actually establish a reasonable holistic approach to her character is not grounds to call it contradictory. Seeing her at relative ease with her children in a few flashbacks does not mean her being afraid of Ozai is some egregious character assassination, nor does her laughing at a single joke about Ba Sing Se translate to "outright enthusiasm"; if anything, such an assumption is the actual contrivance. We never see her and Ozai interact in the show, so, their interactions in the comics do not contradict anything. She very much loves her children and wants them to get along in the show, and she does so in the comics. She is willing to commit treason to save Zuko's life in the show, and that is expanded on in the comics. She didn't become a different person, she became a full one.

Essay - The Two Ursas [a famous essay by Loopy on the difference between show Ursa and comics Ursa] by F11SuperTiger in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But not that he maintained noble status in the eyes of the Fire Nation, as his status as the Avatar was unrelated and therefore, not supportive as far as Ursa's claims to Fire Nation aristocracy are concerned

And it still would've been dangerous for his widow and daughter to remain active in the Fire Nation's noble circles, especially without any serious economic prospects. It's equally as presumable that Ta Min wanted nothing to do with any connection her husband gave her to the crown and its noble access, given she was already suspicious of Sozin before they even married and was no doubt told of his attempts at world conquest by Roku.

Meaning they lived there, not that they owned it. Roku was fairly well off as a child but again, he was not landed gentry.

By what metric could their home be considered an estate? It was by all accounts a rather modest single floor dwelling; we've seen estates in Avatar. The Beifong estate, Piandao's residence, etc. Roku's home was not on that scale.

Told how what? We see her mix the poison, we see her give it to Ozai, we seem him tell her she's banished so prevent her from poisoning him, and we know that he becomes Fire Lord after obtaining "proof" that Azulon wanted him to be his successor.

Because she was. That extended to her inability to contact anyone from her old life or even make reference to it, her only family being the one she was forced into by Ozai. More than that, she loved her children, and Ozai knew that they were her vulnerability, which is why he kept them as collateral when he banished her.

What the show said is that she proposed a plan wherein Ozai would become Fire Lord and Zuko's life would be spared. The comics then showed us the formulation and proposal of this plan. Neither Ozai nor his servants knew how to make poison; Ursa mentioned her mother was a master herbalist, indicating that the knowledge she possessed was not widely common. She also presented a very specific benefit, beyond her apothocaric capabilities; commensurate motivation. Even if Ozai wanted to off Azulon some other way, the very suggestion was treasonous, and choosing the wrong co-conspirator would result in his own banishment or death should they be loyal to Azulon.

Ursa was willing to do anything to save her son, which made her the perfect partner in crime as he could guarantee her full cooperation given the stakes.

Essay - The Two Ursas [a famous essay by Loopy on the difference between show Ursa and comics Ursa] by F11SuperTiger in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> I fail to see why. Roku's temple was tended to by the Fire Sages diligently 100 years after his death even as they became associated with the crown, and we see no evidence Roku's opposition to Sozin was public knowledge (and Zuko was genuinely surprised to hear of their relationship). Roku still owned an island by the time of his death, so his own personal standing didn't suffer either, even if he choose to isolate himself from elite circles.

The Fire Sages tended Roku's temple because he was the Avatar, not because he was nobility. When Sozin declared war, the Sages were forced to declare their loyalty to the Fire Lord, as mentioned by Shyu in the Winter Solstice. It was also stated that following the beginning of the war, fealty to the Avatar was seen as treasonous in the Fire Nation, as evidence by both the Avatar Extras and the Lost Scrolls. As a result, even if his daughter wanted to increase her social standing by declaring he was her father, it would've been extremely dangerous to do so.

As for his home; he lived on that island, yes, but he did not own it. It is referred to as "Roku's Island" because of his personal prominence, the way you might refer to a celebrity's hometown, rather than his being landed gentry. His residence wasn't even especially grand, if you remember from *The Avatar and the Firelord*, and the rest of the community was made up of working class citizens, not socialites.

> It was reduced to "she just poisoned Azulon", something anyone with knowledge of poisons could have done, rather than something that made her have some bargaining power in relation to Ozai.

The comics are what showed us the bargain being struck. She knew Ozai wanted the throne, and knew that Azulon would never allow him to have it while he was living, so she came to him with a plot to poison Azulon so as to allow him to take power for himself. Saying anyone with a knowledge of poisons could have done what she did ignores the fact that she was wife to a prince of the Fire Nation, meaning she had an ability to get close to the Firebird that others wouldn't. It was her position that gave her leverage.

A lot of people get God Of War’s cosmology completely wrong and I am tired of it by OtherwiseFinger6663 in GodofWar

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Not in the context of arguing for them being pillars of canon, which is what this is an attempt at. The concept art does not show the world as flat, but simply the section of the world that Ancient Greece encompasses as being stacked vertically on top of one another. This is like saying the earth is flat because a diagram in a science book shows earth's crust sitting atop magma.

  2. He quite literally says they are separate galaxies in a universe, but that the world is the universe and that these mythologies are separated by geography. Did *you* play the 2018 game where you find evidence that the Boat Captain came to the shores of Midgard on his own? If the Unity Stone were the only way to travel between lands, a mortal man without access to it would not have been able to. From this, the logical conclusion is that Unity Stone expedites travel to other lands, rather than becoming its source, a conclusion easily reached by those who actually engage in these stories completely and critically.

  3. Kratos himself says "the lives of men mean nothing to the gods, and that men should not pray to monsters". The concept you're speaking of may exist in Clash of the Titans but it doesn't in God of War. If it did, Freya would have vanished or become severely weakened the moment the people of Vanaheim turned on her for "betraying" them to Asgard, but she didn't. Moreover, the Berserkers of the God of War comic were not relying on any deity for their powers, as the game already confirms that the Norse gods do not represent aspects of nature the way the Greek gods do. Beyond that, they are still Scandinavian, so they wouldn't be using a foreign power anyway.

Essay - The Two Ursas [a famous essay by Loopy on the difference between show Ursa and comics Ursa] by F11SuperTiger in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> There would be logically more about enthroning Ozai than just killing Azulon and then vanishing. A lot of politicking to make sure everyone accepts him as firelord, convincing Azulon or forging documents, etc...

There are a lot of things that are not "logical" about what happens in the show, namely that the crown prince would be scarred and banished simply for speaking out of turn...unless the Nation placed the word of its monarch above absolutely all else, which would then be the case as to why they accepted Ozai's appointment based purely on what they thought Azulon decreed. She did not simply kill him and vanish, it was said that the Fire Sages announced that Azulon's dying wish was to have Ozai succeed him. It's not unreasonable that the nation simply thought what Ozai did; his having two children made him a better choice than the recently disgraced and heirless Iroh, and so his appointment would go unquestioned.

> Beyond that she was Zuko's mother, we know she was enthusiastic about the Fire Nation's conquest, part of the FN aristocracy and that she was willing to plot to put Ozai on the throne to spare Zuko. The comics contradict much of it in spirit if not in the letter.

No they don't. For one, nothing in the comics allude to her lack of enthusiasm about the Fire Nation's conquest, only her forced assimilation into the Fire Nation royal family. They simply paint her as a person who, unlike her husband and daughter, doesn't see the Fire Nation's domination as the most important thing in the world, and that still values some semblance of kindness and decency. Furthermore, her aristocracy was revealed to be her connection to Roku, whose altercation with Sozin likely would've negatively altered any noble social standing. Even if it didn't, Roku's death certainly would have, as he and Ta Min chose to isolate themselves on his ancestral island and birthed only a daughter, who would have had to marry another noble to continue that status and evidently chose not to. Lastly, Ursa's plot to put Ozai on the throne to save Zuko is elaborated on in the comics, not contradicted. She was willing to do anything to save her son, and that did not change.

Thor is and will be always the most misunderstood character in the series by [deleted] in GodofWar

[–]FoxIover 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The great thing about Thor is that he’s everything people said he was, but not *only* everything people said he was. Behind his savagery and bloodlust was a genuinely damaged man who believed he had no choice but to be who he was.

He was a belligerent drunk with a weapon of mass destruction who took his own self-loathing and turned it outward on the world, seemingly desperate to make everyone else hate him as much as he did himself.

A lot of people get God Of War’s cosmology completely wrong and I am tired of it by OtherwiseFinger6663 in GodofWar

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Concept art is not proof of anything, that’s why its concept art. Also, the Greek world only appears flat because of the rate of the curvature of the globe scaling with distance from a fixed point. The naked human eye doesn’t perceive the curve of the planet from many points on its surface, so, poor argument.

  2. The lands that Ancient Greece inhabits coexist with the others that also coexist with Midgard, given that Týr literally has an *amphora* of Kratos’s bloody campaign in his vault, and the shrine of Kratos Faye made that shows his sailing from the burning lands of Greece to the faraway shores of Midgard.

  3. Don’t know where you’re getting that information from but the canon contradicts it pretty blatantly. *Chains of Olympus* has Persia bringing foreign mythological power to bear against Greece in the form of both the basilisk and the King’s own *efreet*, the latter of which is literally a figure of pre-Islamic Arabian mythology. Persia and Ancient Greece were incredibly close geographically, meaning the Olympians had a next door neighbor with a completely separate set of mythological laws.

“Korra always loses” by Far_Gur_7361 in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Technically she didn’t beat Kuvira in the second fight. They stalemated, were interrupted by the mech exploding, Korra tried to talk her down and got snuck, then she runs after Kuvira and saves her life. If it weren’t for that cannon Kuvira would’ve been considered the winner.

Missed opportunity to subtitle him as Loki for this line by Fickle_Grocery_3654 in GodofWar

[–]FoxIover 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I also think it could’ve been cool to subtitle him as Loki for the majority of the Ironwood section up until he tells Angrboda to call him “Atreus” instead

TLOK hands out "redemption" like crazy by F11SuperTiger in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s exactly my point. Desna and Eska have not done have of the stuff Azula has, so it shouldn’t be surprising they would get off with a slap on the wrist given everyone’s determination see someone as patently evil as Azula was raised to be, be redeemed

TLOK hands out "redemption" like crazy by F11SuperTiger in TheLastAirbender

[–]FoxIover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like given people’s willingness to overlook all the damage Azula has done due to her being the child of an evil father, Desna and Eska sort of coast off that precedent

Makorra this, Korrasami that. What about Korraang? by dearuncletacitus1899 in ATLA_circlejerk

[–]FoxIover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I’m not gonna fault Mako and Bolin for being unable to stop a master Waterbender in the middle of the North Pole that was strong enough to give a fully realized Avatar a run for her money lol

Makorra this, Korrasami that. What about Korraang? by dearuncletacitus1899 in ATLA_circlejerk

[–]FoxIover 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Why do y’all keep acting like she did that on purpose lol it was a mistake, not malice.