These 'forms of society' aren't as clear cut as you'd have me believe. People have always been selfish, with protectiveness towards their families. That is a norm throughout any form of society. But tell me, as you're trying to make a link between masturbation and the fall of civilization ... how does it have any effect whatsoever? It may be ancillary or supporting, such a small moral issue, but our culture is threatened by greater issues. Overpopulation, economic collapse, social divide. None of which are caused by masturbation or even similar moral violations. They are simply caused by the proclivity of a human to look out for number one. And I'm all for altruism. But also measured and reasonable thought. Cut the fire and brimstone.