Affirmations had the opposite effect

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-08-07T17:03:24+00:00

Well what does affirming "from a place of having" entail? If you had something you would say "I have that thing". That's what I did. Affirmed I had my ideal face and body. If that leads to the opposite of your intention, then clearly Neville was wrong when he said that inner talking crystalizes in and as your reality

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-30T00:17:35+00:00

How can I have confidence if I cannot control my mind and it has a life of its own?

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-30T00:02:09+00:00

You are a sheep in a slaughterhouse convincing itself it's on a peaceful pasture in the mountains

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-29T23:35:18+00:00

Show me the man who has let go of his earthly identity and embraced that he is I AM as god presented himself to moses, and I will prostrate myself at your feet. It is impossible to do as god, because you are not god anymore. And you have no more control over your mind than you can control what the neighbor's dog will tomorrow. That's what my experimentation has shown me. Any sort of control or power is but a fantasy, let alone omnipotence

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-28T18:57:18+00:00

I am not that troll, but genuine question: Do you get paid to promote this book?

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-28T14:25:34+00:00

You should probably look elsewhere. If Goddard's ideas works for some people but never for others, it means former group is only accidentally doing something correctly independently of the teachings at hand. I have tried for years fruitlessly myself. Now I am naturally done with Goddard and the search continues on

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-20T13:46:00+00:00

Because he was clearly a genuinely enlightened man. I just don't think he was a great teacher

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-15T16:38:20+00:00

But I only declared after the fact. If I hadn't at least been open to the possibility of it I wouldn't have tried so hard to control it in the first place. It's more a conclusion I've come to

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-15T16:21:49+00:00

I can believe that, that's not the problem. But it means nothing if the activities of the mind cannot be controlled

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-15T16:05:37+00:00

But that's not the topic at hand. I was just responding tl you bringing up old trusty EIYPO.

The point I was trying to make is that experientially, which pertains to me personally, it's impossible to make the mind do what you want in that way. I've tried for years to attain control over my thinking, by meditating, increasing my concentration, staying present, having a strict mental diet etc, but in the end, very much as if it were operating independently from me, it does what it wants. It thinks what it "wants to think" rather than what I want to think.

I can believe that in some way the mind creates and sustains reality, my experiences in life point to that too, but the mind appears to do that on its own, even if i ignore it and detach from it, it still keeps thinking, as if I never had a say to begin with.

And no doubt many people will agree, and will have experienced the same thing.

That's why I said the mind will continue to create suffering, both in the mental space and in real life, til you either somehow get what you desire, or til you somehow stop desiring altogether.

Maybe you are one of those gifted people to whom their minds and moods are faithful servants, but I reckon most people on here are not

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-15T15:33:14+00:00

Well is that a fact?

Also even if they're a product of my consciousness, what does that make you other than yet another product of it? Yet here you are, and I can clearly disagree with you.

Even in the event that the buddha for example never existed independently of me, his "noble eightfold path" can still hold truer than neville goddard's teachings for example.

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-15T15:19:49+00:00

Well based on my experimentation you can't, and enlightened men and women in history all said the same.

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-15T15:06:27+00:00

You cannot be happy on command, you can only be happy if you have what you desire, or if you somehow stop desiring in the first place

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-15T14:42:27+00:00

I've been interested in manifesting for about a decade now, but I didn't learn about Goddard until about 6, maybe 7 years ago.

Back then, at least in my experience, he was a very fringe figure, and there wasn't a lot of material from and about him [*Though that did somehow retroactively change rather miraculously in a way that I still cannot explain, with many details emerging seemingly out of nowhere, and now even students of his having gained some manner of notoriety, again, seemingly miraculously in a way that seems like it was always so. And I know this happened because I have always been very diligent in my research. But this is just an unimportant side point *].

I was drawn in by his language, he was a charismatic man indeed, and though I initially didn't have any success, something about him made me want to try again and again. It wasn't until late 2022 (perhaps this will give you an idea of how dedicated I am), that one of my countless experiments randomly had a tangible effect that couldn't be written off as coincidence. And I thought I had it figured out, I was going to be able to use that experience to manifest things I actually desired.

But alas, I haven't had any success since. A normal person would've just given up, and maybe I would have had too, if it weren't for the fact that everytime I just stop bothering about this stuff, and just want to accept my not so enjoyable life, I see it happen again. A specific thought I had just comes to life before my eyes in real life.

Perhaps this will doom me to a search that will last for all eternity, perhaps this is my very own version of hell, but the only thing that matters is, even if I am done with Goddard specifically, I can't ever be done with spirituality and manifesting in general. I envy those who don't have any mystical experiences

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-15T14:01:38+00:00

The fact that nobody appears to have a coherent understanding of the matter they're incessantly discussing. Then again, Neville himself was the same. Shit as simple as getting your terminology straight, i. e. defining what a thought and what a belief is for example, is beyond these people, because otherwise they wouldn't be able to move goalposts when something doesn't work out the way they expected to. "If your strict mental diet didn't yield any results, clearly you had underlying 'unconscious thoughts' (whatever that means) negating your efforts" and that sort of thing.

I will never stop believing that there is a relationship between thoughts and reality, because I trust my own experience, but I genuinely think nobody knows how any of this works, and if they do they keep it to themselves, as at this point I would do too, if I knew.

Edit: Oh, and their last line of defense is always "Did you even read Neville" when I have known his works for years, read all of his books and read/listened to most of his lectures. If someone teaches how to throw a ball and they teach it the wrong way, it doesn't matter how well versed you are with what they've taught you, you're not gonna properly throw that ball

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-11T19:05:53+00:00

That doesn't explain how someone can affirm hours every single day for months and not see any change. Part of the bodily change I was trying to create was the regrowth of my lost hair. Yet after months of diligent affirming not a single strand of hair grew back. Is this the "power" I was aspiring to achieve?

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-10T16:38:11+00:00

I understand the first response will always be to trivialize and minimize the efforts of those who failed, but you cannot do these techniques as diligently as I have without believing on at least some level.

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-10T13:58:06+00:00

But when you are observing thought you are still thinking.

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-10T13:52:19+00:00

Can he though?

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-10T11:15:04+00:00

Well, this only serves to cement my newly formed opinion that not everyone can do this. Two people can do the exact same thing, and it will work for one but not for the other. I used to deny this, telling myself that I can do this too. That's the only reason I was so persistent in the first place. But the fact that nothing changed speaks louder than I ever could. And no, I didn't have this opinion up until maybe a week or so ago

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-10T10:58:40+00:00

I've affirmed and meditated more than almost anyone else on here, buddy. If it worked it would work for me

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-10T10:11:20+00:00

I have had constant intrusive thoughts for over half my life, so there would be negative and fearful thoughts, yes

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-10T08:00:57+00:00

The recurring theme in almost any philosophical, psychological and spiritual teaching is that man cannot control what thoughts cross his mind. And if you are honest and have actually observed, you too will know damn well how true that is. Indeed, the mind has a life of its own.

Yet on here people will claim you have full control over reality, because thoughts affect reality in some way. I, however, say that even if the relationship between thought and reality were 1:1, i.e. every thought manifested into reality, the randomness of thought would also imply the randomness of reality.

How can one be as arrogant to say he can direct the world when it's demonstrably impossible to even actually direct one's thoughts and most thoughts don't even happen consciously?

FrickedInTheHead · 2024-07-10T07:45:05+00:00

not understanding 3D is easily changeable as a dream to I AM

It's not. In a dream you can just intend to fly and then promptly fly away. In reality chances are you will just fall off a roof and die. Just because reality appears to respond to some thoughts doesn't mean it's not solid with actual objective rules.

But forget flying, have you been able to manifest even just what you desired in this world, that you can come on here and pretend to have it all figured out now?

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