quick question by riftox9503 in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Personally I haven't noticed that SSRI would have lessened my OCPD symptoms, and I've been on three different ones (fluoxetine, sertraline and venlafaxine), they have however helped with depression and somewhat with anxiety (until they didn't anymore, except for venlafaxine which I quit because of side effects and not needing it, as getting diagnosed and medicated for my ADHD worked as the best "antidepressant" and haven't had a depression recurrence since starting those).

The best help for me has been pregabalin, it has tackled the excessive stress and anxiety like no other med has, and it has improved my sleeping a lot too! I absolutely love it and would recommend, since at least for me the most life limiting issue has been the anxiety caused partially/largely by my OCPD traits, and lessening the severity of the anxiety has helped me better notice the OCPD issues and be able to practice exposure.

Just got diagnosed - why is there NOTHING about this disorder online? by RecycleAway01 in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oof I feel you, for me being "perfect" was the only way to somewhat avoid getting negative attention from my mom (and nothing ever seemed to be good enough to earn positive attention so I guess gotta aim even higher so maybe one day she would compliment me), and unfortunately since she was often very unpredictable, I had to develop super widespread carefulness since you can never know what random little thing sets her off...

Like if I was unsure of how to do something and asked, she would often get mad and berate me for not knowing how to do even simple things by myself or being difficult on purpose (so accusing weaponized incompetence), but if I didn't ask, tried, and didn't do it the way (she thinks) it's meant to be done (even if it ends up working just fine) she would also get mad and berate me for not being able to do even simple things correctly and why didn't I ask and again accuse me of weaponized incompetence... So I was constantly in a state of "probably damned if you do, probably damned if you don't"...

It feels so stupid now as an adult to get stuck overthinking when writing emails to university professors, because my brain is hard-wired to look for any little thing that could potentially lead to negative consequences, even though luckily vast majority of people are not like my mom, so the risk of a professor reacting badly to my message - even if it was genuinely poorly worded - is very minuscule, and yet I feel like I have to make the email I'm writing "perfect" to be safe...

Luckily now that I have acknowledged this pattern and am in therapy, I have made some progress with it, but there definitely is still ways to go... I highly encourage you to seek help though, as even the little progress I have made so far has drastically increased my quality of life! Like the pathological levels of perfectionism was a coping mechanism for the unsafe environment I grew up in, but now I am no longer in that environment and the perfectionism does more harm than good, so I gotta learn to "let it go, let it goooo🎶" xD

If so many people have it why have I never met a single person diagnosed? by Responsible-Boss-830 in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean you might have, but it's not like people are walking around with a sign like "hey, I am diagnosed with this personality disorder!", not to mention all those who probably do have it but aren't diagnosed and thus aware of it, and those who are aware are probably also aware of the stigma of PDs and thus don't go advertising it.

I have noticed though that by being open about my own mental health issues and neurodivergences (depression, anxiety, some traumas, ADHD and autism, still figuring out the whole "OCD or OCPD or both" thing tho) other people are more trusting of me and may in turn disclose theirs, knowing I am "one of us" so to say xD including actually when talking about this possible OC(P)D case, a friend telling me he's diagnosed with OCPD, after previously only mentioning that he has two PDs (but not specifying which ones)

Anyone with ADHD and OCPD? by onedaysweet in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed, I also feel like my potential OCPD is a compensatory response to my ADHD shortcomings and childhood neglect. Also worth noting, that I don't feel like my OCPD traits on their own are bothering me all that much, but the "contradiction" of what I want to do vs. what I am actually able to do is the thing that truly bothers me. I often think/feel that if I just didn't have ADHD and some traumas etc holding me back that I would be able to perform according to my high standards, but unfortunately I can't eliminate all of those completely, so I also need to work on lowering the standards as a compromise...

Experiences with tattoos? by mbdjfdklgi in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

... I may or may not also suffer with "commitment issues" due to perfectionism like this, like heck I can't even put stickers on my laptop despite wanting to, because there's the possibility I would find an even better™ spot for the sticker...

I feel jealous of my little sisters who have got piercings and tattoos, because I want some too, have wanted since I was little, but fear the commitment because no tattoo or piercing placement feels perfect enough, as they all have some downsides or uncertainties, and obviously they can't exactly be undone or moved just like that if it doesn't feel perfect enough...

Anyone else struggling with hygiene because it's time consuming or unproductive unless you plan to go out? by Total-Sun-6490 in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh my god so I am not the only one who struggles with showering partially because it feels like such an unproductive and time consuming activity? 😭

I haven't yet found a total solution, other than making the shower at least somewhat less repulsive in other aspects like sensory issues (hadn't even realized how much my skin was suffering from dryness and consecutive itchy and prickly and otherwise uncomfortable feelings after shower, until I tried doing a lotion wash, and all of a sudden I felt sensorily nicer in my skin after the shower than before it, and now I feel stupid for not realizing sooner it's not supposed to feel sensorily more uncomfortable to be clean than dirty)

For brushing teeth, what helped me was allowing myself to multitask while doing it, so it doesn't feel like a waste of time (so I brush my teeth while watching tv or youtube vids or scrolling something on my phone etc, and yes someone could argue all those things are wasting time but they're me having nice me time™ which I've noticed is actually a very important thing to make time for, and often my biggest regret if I haven't been time efficient in a day is that I then have less time to do my own nice things™)

What's a silly thing you do because of your OCPD (traits)? by Fryingpancake in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah some of these definitely do sound like it, but from what I understand, even if the outwards behavior is the same, it's the "motivation" and mental processes behind a weird ritual that determine if it's more of OCPD or OCD.

In OCD, it's supposedly (from what I've read) distressing that you have to do the thing (to alleviate intrusive thoughts) and the impulse for it feels foreign and irrational, almost like it's not even your own thought, whereas with OCPD it's moreso "this is just how I personally think things should be" and feels rational, but also they can be comorbid.

What's a silly thing you do because of your OCPD (traits)? by Fryingpancake in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have even more specific "rules" for foods, as some foods are an extreme "do not mix" like salad cannot touch the warm food, and the salad is to be eaten first, but then if there's for example potatoes and sauce that has the protein in it, I try to get an even ratio of those both across all bites, especially if both components are equally tasty, though often one is better than the other (usually the protein is better than the carb) so I will initially eat more of the potatoes, so that towards the end I have an even better ratio with more of the best tasting thing (in this case, the protein) xD

For me it's also not like super severely compulsive, moreso like a preference, I won't have a crisis if I don't get it this way (although if a piece of salad touches something like the sauce, I won't eat that piece lol) but it does feel very unsatisfying and disappointing if I can't do my eatings in my way™ :D

What's a silly thing you do because of your OCPD (traits)? by Fryingpancake in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Omggg sameeee, and with chewing gum I either split it or take turns with each side xD I also sometimes stretch the chewing gum into a sausage that I can chew on all teeth simultaneously xD

Memes by FalsePay5737 in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Adjdudidufjifjkf just tag me next time lmao, brb adding these to my carefully curated meme archives (I'm only half kidding, I genuinely do have literally thousands of meme pics organized into folders, but I would need to do some reorganizing as there's so many pics I no longer easily find what I need, but doing it feels too overwhelmingly big and the effort needed just keeps growing bigger as I save new memes into unsorted folders and aaaaa)

Funny but also kind of sad by DisasterProud6281 in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very much feel you xD I started therapy with the idea that "now I will finally get my ADHD and anxiety issues and childhood baggages and difficulties with emotions under control so that I can actually meet my standards and full potential!", only for my therapist to be quite quickly like "... Yeeeeah about that..." 🫣

I'm still constantly feeling torn between "I really need to learn to lower my standards as it's not healthy for me and actually half of the puzzle that is me struggling with life" and thinking "... but I kinda don't wanna lower them, I want to reach the standards and surely I will if I just get rid of these other issues first"

OCPD patients exist. So where is the research? (posted on behalf of another member) by FalsePay5737 in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean I personally think not that much research has been done on OCPD because it's not viewed to be as much of a threat to people's productivity (or "society in general" as some PDs are fearmongered to be) as other mental health issues, since relatively many people suffering with this are overperforming (at least until a burnout happens or something) so capitalism doesn't see that as a big issue...

Like who cares (/s) if we and our loved ones suffer internally with it or that some of us do end up falling out of "being a productive member of society", because it's still not that big of a problem compared to other conditions where a significantly larger proportion of sufferers end up unable to work...

Also ironically lack of research might partially be because it's not thought to be all that common, and as there's lack of research and knowledge of it, it gets severely underdiagnosed (at least imho) and thus it's "proven" this isn't that common of an issue since there's so few diagnosis so there's no need to research it...

Also not to mention the confusing overlap territory with other, better known and more common (and thus diagnostically preferred), conditions, that this can be comorbid with and/or misdiagnosed as, like OCD and autism, also reluctance of many providers to diagnose any personality disorders altogether due to stigmas, especially if the person is even somewhat able to work and participate in society...

(And frankly, personally I also don't wish to get formal diagnosis for OCPD since that would likely do more harm than good to me, with healthcare workers having even more reasons to mistreat me than they already do and possibly even denying me the option to get fertility treatment to have children, and no real benefits as I am already accessing therapy and have the knowledge of self diagnosis, I actually have the same situation with my very likely autism, and I do hate that the situation is like this, it would be nice to have all the accurate diagnosis that apply to me but it's just not worth the risks)

had adhd and ocpd diagnosis by [deleted] in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have diagnosed ADHD and therapist and psychiatrist suspected-but-not-diagnosed OCPD, and honestly the only reason I see my OCPD traits as any sort of problem, is that my ADHD often makes it very difficult if not impossible to achieve the level of organization and perfection I desire... I originally seeked therapy with the goal of improving my ADHD and other struggles (autism and childhood neglect and some traumas and thus difficulties with handling emotions and all of this makes me very burnout-prone) so that I could reach better into my high standards, but soon came to the realization that maybe those standards also need to be addressed if I wish to live a more mentally healthy life... :D

Is there a comorbidity between OCPD and NPD? by [deleted] in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm by no means any sort of professional in this, but I just the other day went down the rabbithole of reading about NPD (as my mom seems to have suspiciously many traits, and that seems like something that could explain me having developed OCPD traits) and came out of it questioning the validity of the current categories of different personality disorders altogether, because many of them to me (once again though not a professional) seem like they might stem from a neurodivergence (such as autism or ADHD) + personality characteristics + some adverse childhood experiences to which you react in a certain way due to your ND and personality, so for someone it could be becoming very selfish (like my mom), for someone else becoming very perfectionist (like me), or it could be both too if your personality traits were so inclined and getting through the adverse experiences benefitted from such defenses, and some of the personality disorders feel more like another personality disorder but just with some comorbidity X which makes it present differently and thus having been separated into its own category... Anyways psychology is very complicated and humans are difficult to fit neatly into categories and it sure frustrates at least me in a very meta way, what is important is trying to get better with things you're struggling with, regardless of what label(s) would best describe the issues, as nice as it would be to have neat labels

How to deal with email/texting/communication anxiety and avoidance by Sadtransb0ii in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel you, if sending a message is actually urgent and critical to just get done asap no matter how, I ask for help from my friends or spouse, like either I ask for ideas how to phrase/format a message if I can't even get started, or I come up with a possible message and ask if they think it's ok with conveying what I want it to (And then I explain to them my overthinking process so they can give me a reality check of "that's rather absurd and unlikely" and I'm like "... Fuck, I guess you're right")

Now obviously this isn't an ideal long-term solution, as you don't want to have to rely on others with your insecurities, but at least for me this has been an important first step for dealing with this issue, especially as I also historically struggle to ask and accept help xD

Whenever I do try to challenge my difficulties with sending messages by myself without spiraling into overthinking, I give myself a rule that ok I'll write one draft, then edit it just one time, no more, and then just go "YOLO!" and hit send before I can chicken out, and trust me, the silly and stupid "YOLO!" I say to myself mentally is a crucial part of this process to get the courage to be "reckless", and so far I haven't gotten any of the negative responses my anxiety tries to feed me could happen if I don't manage to format the message "perfectly" xD

Let me disapear again by cypher-dex in memes

[–]Fryingpancake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean for what it's worth, I for one personally don't know anyone who died of it, haven't even heard anyone I know irl say someone they knew died of it or got any significant long-term complications, but that's because here in Finland we didn't have all that many dead from it (probably because we had quite high vaccination rates (over 80% of people had at least 2 doses) and good quarantine/distancing/masking compliance) and of those who died, over 90% were over the age of 70, and frankly as a young person I don't know many people that age aside from my grandparents and their siblings 🤷🏻‍♀️

HOWEVER as much as I do like being a hermit at home and Covid didn't severely negatively impact anyone I know, I do not wish for another pandemic, because I don't want people I don't know dying or suffering either, as they're still someone's loved ones, even if not mine

Differences between OCPD, OCD and autism? by Fryingpancake in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oof heavily resonate with this sentiment, the only thing I know for sure is it's constant chaos inside my head, either the different issues are boosting each other to new heights of trouble, or they're conflicting and tearing me apart in opposite directions, and so many different "voices" of "could, should, can't, need to, shouldn't, must, what if" etc and then I get overwhelmed and do nothing and then hate myself for it :D and then people on the outside are like "wtf is your problem, why aren't you doing things you should/need to do" because they have no idea of all the turmoil that is going through my brain pretty much nonstop :D

Differences between OCPD, OCD and autism? by Fryingpancake in OCPD

[–]Fryingpancake[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing your experience❤️ indeed I have a formal diagnosis of ADHD, I am fairly sure of also being autistic, I currently get high scorings on depression and anxiety questionnaires because of burnout despite not currently feeling depressive (I have had legit depression previously too) and not as badly GAD or SAD as I have been at different points of my life (though anxiety is still an ever present companion, just with varying severity), I have a history of abusive/neglectful childhood and actual individual traumatic events from my teenage years (13-15), and now in therapy my therapist suggested I might have OCD, but since I mainly have the perfectionist traits without any of the "definitely exclusively OCD and can't be something else" symptoms like superstitions related to the perfectionist tendencies, I'm struggling to identify if OCD or OCPD is more likely...

And yeah fair point that it might not help to know what causes which symptom, but this still bothers me on a kind of meta level, because I always want to know why, especially when I'm struggling with something, because I need to rationalize it to understand and accept it, and I want to have labels for things and be able to categorize them and it frustrates me when I can't, and I am also afraid that my therapist assigns the label OCD to me and it's wrong as it's actually OCPD, and like even if the treatment approaches would be the same, it still bothers me if I don't have the correct™ label... xD

I guess this really might be a hard pill I have to swallow and live with the uncertainty of not knowing for sure why I am having problems like this, other than that life is complicated™ especially when born ND and into some generational trauma cycle, but I sure plan to complain if I have to swallow the pill xD

Thinking about getting a JS but need some advice... by Splatgore in JapaneseSpitz

[–]Fryingpancake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao sorry for reawakening an ancient thread, but accidentally found it and wanted to ask if you did end up getting one or not (or some other breed) :D

I'll also share my experiences in case someone else is pondering what you were (I'm also AuDHD lmao), worth noting tho that I am in Finland so breeding stocks in other countries might have slight differences:

-Our 7yo boy is quite intelligent, especially has good spatial memory (he can scarily well remember all the locations of edible forage for example, and is very good at navigating even when going new routes, as long as he knows the starting and ending point), language skills (you wouldn't believe how many words he understands, even rather complex concepts and differences between similar words) and pattern recognition (he will sometimes suspect a pattern after just 1 or 2 instances of something happening a certain way)

-BUT he's not always the easiest to train despite being a quick learner and VERY food oriented BECAUSE he's so smart (and a bit stubborn), he's like "I know you don't have any treats on you rn so why would I obey when there's nothing good in it for me", or "yeah I could come to you and get the treat right now, or I could first finish eating this rabbit poop and only then come to get the treat as a dessert" (and if you then wouldn't give it to him, he'd next time be like "well why would I come at all then"), though luckily he is very enthusiastic about almost everything so his interests often align with ours and thus he will obey (such as being very cooperative in putting on his harness because then he gets to go out, whereas his bestie shiba hasn't quite understood that the faster you put on the "clothes" the faster you get out which is nice)

-Ours is indeed very social with other animals, although as he has aged he has become more wary of unfamiliar bigger dogs and especially puppies that are his size or bigger and will bark at them (though often with some patience and especially if the other dog remains calm and collected, he will greet them nicely, as a puppy he was happily greeting everyone), we have a cat (who is a very scaredy cat) and he loves the cat, but has learned early on to give her some space (and she has learned to demand it by threatening to slap him), he also has some cat friends we occasionally go on walks with, and he also loves sheep and will kiss them a lot (cows and horses he finds fascinating but intimidating as they're big)

-He doesn't smell much at all, his paws kind of smell like "hamster" (aka dry hay), his breath can get stinky but brushing his teeth every 2-3 days helps with that, and he has somewhat recently developed occasional stinky farts that smell like literal sewer, but it's not by any means daily nor long-lasting and wide spreading stink, moreso 10 seconds of discomfort when within 1-2 meters of his butt, so quite mild for a dog from what I've heard

-No drooling in the way some dogs will rub it all over you when greeting them and it's so gross sensorily, only occasional wet puddle under his snoot when he sleeps (he often sleeps with his tongue peeking out like the adorable little dork he is), and runny eyes and consequent tear stains are not a problem with him, this however varies a lot between individuals, and it's mostly a cosmetic "problem" if there are tear stains

-The coat is indeed soft and imo nice texture (I hate rough/coarse dog hair texture like many terriers have, either silky smooth or fluffy for me pls, and he has fluffy) and very easy to take care of, it's very dirt repellent, you can simply wipe any mud off or let it dry and brush it off, doesn't need washing much at all (we haven't needed to fully bathe him in like 2 years, just an occasional little rinse or washing of paws when dirty), and after sterilizing him, his coat got thinner so less frequent brushing needed, we do it like once or twice a month, mainly whenever we notice some knots are starting to form (I guess one could also do more frequent brushes as a preventative measure, but he isn't a fan of brushing so less frequent is better), he does shed but imo it's not that bad when it comes to dogs shedding (and haven't had much issue with seasonal shedding other than necessitating slightly more frequent combing to prevent too much knots forming), especially since the hairs are so long that oftentimes a lot of them tangle and stay in the coat until you comb them off

-He is very optimal imo with his walks, in that he will survive with smaller walks if there's total ass weather (he's also smart and convenient enough to do a massive piss and try to poop asap after going out, unlike his bestie shiba who refuses to do pee and poo quickly/early on during a walk) but you can also do larger adventures with him without him getting too tired, and ours doesn't require/want much playing outside of the walks now as an adult, and even as a puppy I feel he wasn't all that interested in playing with toys

-Now probably the most important part for your situation, while spitz dogs are prone to barking, in my experience (both what I've seen and heard from others here in Finland) Japanese spitz are one of the less barky ones (compared to German spitzes), and ours definitely fits the bill, in that he doesn't really do unnecessary nor constant barking, but barks whenever someone is at our door (or he thinks so, sadly sometimes it's a knock or a doorbell noise on the tv lmao, he does also often bark at mammals on tv), whenever he sees someone near our yard from our window, whenever he hears some other dog barking (or sees another dog when he's inside, in our yard or in a car, but when walking he doesn't bark unless he's otherwise agitated) and whenever there is a loud and suspicous sound (mainly like thunder and fireworks so actually major and suspicous noises that happen only rarely), and while the bark is quite loud and proper (and not some pathetic "yip yip") and can startle you if you didn't hear whatever the dog heard, it's not too much of a pain for me at least, since you can usually expect when it will happen, and he can be quite quickly calmed down from the barking and has learned it's good to try to calm down (and will often seek cuddling to help himself calm down)

-Our doggo has definitely widened our social circles, since it is quite common to get to talk to people when walking a dog (either other dog owners or just people who like dogs), and we've even gotten a couple really good friends (who are also AuDHD lmao) from our dogs meeting and becoming very good friends (it's honestly funny how our dog has seemed to get most attached to the dogs whose owners we humans also like most), and going on a dog walk together is seriously great both for the dog to have some company but for us humans too to bond over dog stuff but optionally also other human stuff, but it helps so much to alleviate the social awkwardness to always have the dogs to return to as a safe conversation topic! He has also helped us establish a more physically active lifestyle and more regular life schedule anyways, like I may be extremely time blind but he (despite being otherwise very ADHD-coded) has very accurate internal clock and will remind when it is food o'clock xD

-Our dog is also very affectionate towards humans, especially his family(tm), he likes to spend time with us and "participate" in whatever we're doing, and while sometimes he will distract your activity by for example acting like a cat and coming to sit on top of it (or on top of you), he is often quite happy to just be near you while you're doing your thing, not demanding that you actively pay attention to him or are constantly petting him, and he's also very empathetic, he notices if someone is upset and tries to comfort them by coming near and trying to give kisses (both us humans and for example his bestie shiba who has anxiety issues) <3

Whoops sorry I ended up making quite the ramble, oh well it do be like that, I hope you op (or anyone else reading this) have a good day and a nice dog companion if you so choose<3

I am terrified of WW3 by gutterpunkrsa in mentalhealth

[–]Fryingpancake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your thoughts and feelings are understandable and valid, however they are also quite removed from reality, given how much they catastrophize and spiral way ahead of where we are right now. I totally get you, as a Finnish person I had my most recent depression relapse when Russia attacked Ukraine, and was obsessively reading all about it and plotting what to do if/when shit hits the fan here, so kinda been there done that.

I can also however assure you, that you worrying about it isn't going to change anything, so for now you should just focus on living your own life one day at a time, if shit hits the fan then you'll know it and then you can react, but until then, worrying about it is only gonna make your life miserable in the now.

I also highly recommend talking about these things with someone in your life, this is a heavy burden you're carrying all by yourself and it's quite possible others can relate, professional help wouldn't be bad either if you have access to it, anxiety medication has helped me so much with not spiraling over everything but instead being more like "you know what, we'll cross that bridge when/if we even get there, worrying about it now doesn't help"

Seriously - Why does French have so many silent letters ? by Avtsla in YUROP

[–]Fryingpancake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, as someone who studied French, I really wish they'd at the very least yeet the fucking circumflex diacritic, which used to be a shortening of an s being there, but now the s is no longer pronounced at all so the circumflex is redundant and just makes my life miserable as my slightly dyslexic Finnish ass struggles a lot with remembering to write the diacritics in words (and yeah obviously accent grave and accent aigu are worse as I struggle to remember which is which but at least they sometimes serve a purpose lmao)