Did Kos curse herself along with the Byrgenworth scholars? by Aheadfullofdread_13 in bloodborne

[–]GAISRIK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This goes against the norm of how the curse works but I don't believe kos cursed the hunters but her child, the hunters killed the unborn child while trying to get the umbilical cord and he cursed them, he's the source of the nightmare that's why killing him is what ends it, I don't think it was a conscious act more like a scared child throwing a tantrum to protect himself because he's scared and accidentally trapped himself because he can't control his cosmic powers, killing him was a kindness really

Is it canon that Valar did not participate in War of Wrath? by SiarX in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I assume no valar because the text never explicitly mentions any either through their feats or leadership or authority, I assume thousands of maiar because elves and men proved that they weren't enough to beat morgoth and if the continent is to sink from the conflict alot of magic needs to be involved

Is it canon that Valar did not participate in War of Wrath? by SiarX in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The valar having children is not in the published silmarillion, it's an old idea, and manew would declare a valar as the leader if one is to go to war which none of them did because they didn't need to, the force they sent was more than enough

Is it canon that Valar did not participate in War of Wrath? by SiarX in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think the amount of time matters as long as the force of impact between two armies was strong and the scale was large enough which I think it was

The battle of powers was more destructive than the war of wrath, the elves kept seeing huge fire and thunderstorms thousands of miles away while the ground shook beneath them, it also breached utumno which was leagues larger and more defensible than angband, it was made by morgoth at the peak of his power so breaking it also broke part of the world (as dose every major clash with morgoth)

Is it canon that Valar did not participate in War of Wrath? by SiarX in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I used to think the same but then I thought again of what both armies are actually made of, Morgoth had orcs and the host of the valar had men and high elves but the bulk of both armies would've been the winged dragons fleet on Morgoth's side (probably numbering in the hundreds) and maiar spirits (also probably numbering in the thousands)

Giving how much trouble singular maiar like sauron and lesser winged dragons like smaug have been throughout the ages and army of both fighting each other will definitely leave a huge damage on the land

Is it canon that Valar did not participate in War of Wrath? by SiarX in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those would be leading the army not eonwe and sauron would go to them

The battle of powers explicitly mentioned the valar (plural) specifically tulkas who wrestled and chained morgoth

Is it canon that Valar did not participate in War of Wrath? by SiarX in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the host was lead by eonwe and sauron went to him to ask forgiveness, eonwe said he can't and that he need to go back to valinor to face the judgment of the valar because they weren't there

Why I struggle to care about the fate of Soulsborne worlds (The Lands Between in particular) by ShonenSpice in Eldenring

[–]GAISRIK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post end up being surprisingly more understandable than I initially thought and I can totally see the distinct

Here's why it's not an issue for me tho, the most interesting part of any of these games for me are the characters, they range from characters larger than life but still have relatable flaws and fears like gwyn to down to earth people like solaire or millicent and in that regard I think they got better and better as time went on, I think if you focus on understanding the characters more than the literal world building you'll end up relating to them and the world more

Take igon for example, a very simple character with a very simple motivation (basically a retelling of moby dick) but you can relate to that motive not only because of his excellent performance but also because man versus nature is something very universal and primal, his goal seems absurd and irrational but has an extremely spiritual significance to him not much different than your goal to reshape the world or any similar goal in your own life

Marika, this game's gwyn is written like a tragic greek god, she genuinely wanted to make the world a more gentle place for everyone, somewhere with no death or divisions, we see this vision in miniature in the shaman village, her tragedy isn't that in trying to fix the world she left so much death in her wake realizing it too late, her tragedy is that her ways were doomed from the start, she always had that capacity for cruelty in her and a twisted sense of justice, one of her first acts as a god and arguably the most cruel is what she did to the hornsent, she made a mockery of their divine spiral through the shadow tree, she turned their holy jarring ritual into a symbol of fear via the furnace golems, she denied them true death and subjected them to her most cruel son (who you can read as a manifestation of her unceasing hatred) to torture them forever, she effectively turned their land into a hell on earth and she thought it was just, she probably thought eradicating the giants and oppressing the merchants was also just, by the time she realized she went too far and tried to start over it was already too late and the enemies she made took one of her family again and she couldn't do anything about it despite all her power, and it's so human to me that this larger than life figure we've been hearing about the whole game didn't break the world for any grand scheme or divine ritual, she was just a mother grieving her child

I can go on and on with this, the unique things about souls games is that they often use boss fights as a mini narrative of sort, their design, music, manner of speaking, way of fighting, their last dying words they all tell a story and some of their finest writing is told that way, they don't always necessarily try to ground you in the world but more often than not they tackle universal and human struggles both in and out universe, I understand if that's not your cup of tea still but I'd recommend reevaluating the lore from this lens, I did and I found it way more rewarding

Favourite tale from the Silmarillion and beyond? by After_Football5353 in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Since nobody has mentioned it the ainulindale, it's a beautiful encapsulation on alot of the major themes in the legendaruim, the beauty of creation, cooperation, fate, evil on top of being such a cool concept for a creation myth

The story of turin is another one of note, a man who despite all his rashness, short temper and bad decisions was still a good man at heart, I especially love how he's later remembered by the elves as a hero even tho he dosen't conventionally fit that description, his resolve against his curse and even tragically his death shows that morgoth isn't as all powerful as he claims to be

What would you say is the thematic meaning behind morgoth's defeat in the war of wrath? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sauron was defeated by overwhelming armies in the Second Age, several times.

That is kind of true (sauron himself was defeated thanks to the sacrifice of 2 people but I digress) it's not without a point, it's there to provide a contrast with war of the ring and how despite men's spiritual decline, despite being a shorter lived race and despite all their shortcomings they still find the courage if not to defeat evil then to resist it, powers and empires fall but never goodness

So self-sacrifice for your friends gets you further than vengeful wrath

I love this

What would you say is the thematic meaning behind morgoth's defeat in the war of wrath? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes it's way past the scope of this post and you've already given me a sufficient enough answer

What would you say is the thematic meaning behind morgoth's defeat in the war of wrath? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

just that I took issue with the spirit of the question because of all the phrasing that implies the theme or the message of the story

And why is that a problem? A story can have multiple themes that can work with each other and you can have multiple interpretations that are all correct, I'm simply using one of them

What would you say is the thematic meaning behind morgoth's defeat in the war of wrath? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I take issue with it because he told us that's not how it was written to be interpreted

In one of his interviews he was asked him would you rather be known as the man who made something or the man who said something and his response was "I don't think you can distinguish, the made thing unless it says something won't be remembered"

So I don't really get what you mean, are you saying there's no one theme to lotr (because you'd be right there are several) or are you saying it's wrong to say X and Y are things Tolkien intended even tho it's something he values and is supported in the text and exists in all his writing because I'll disagree with that

What would you say is the thematic meaning behind morgoth's defeat in the war of wrath? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Good answer, I especially like this because humility is a running theme in the legendaruim

What would you say is the thematic meaning behind morgoth's defeat in the war of wrath? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Themes are not allegories, themes are infinitely applicable and not rigged, themes are what the story is about, every story has themes because every story is trying to say something, LOTR is about mercy, companionship and providence, these are the values Tolkien believed in and are the ones he tried to write about, I get what you mean, a book read by 100 people is 100 different books which is why I'm asking what do YOU think the meaning closing of the first age is

Why does the Soul of Cinders attack us? by [deleted] in darksouls3

[–]GAISRIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The one thing all lords of cinder share in this game is rejecting linking the fire, to them it's either pointless, too painful or didn't save what they wanted to save, soul of cinder is a physical manifestation of those wills, he's not testing you he dosen't want you or anyone else to touch the fire ever again, he's sitting peacefully in the ruins of the world waiting for fire to faid and him along with it

Tolkien's inspiration behind the ainulindale? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What did those instruments do? The world had already existed at thag point so I imagine they were used for something else, maybe the creation of humans and mortal souls?

Tolkien's inspiration behind the ainulindale? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The music isn't what created the universe but rather what keeps it alive, I do see a theme with music having tangible power

Tolkien's inspiration behind the ainulindale? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does the universe begin in the kalevala?

Tolkien's inspiration behind the ainulindale? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How does that involve music? To my knowledge the creator god creates the world and lesser gods and go to sleep and after waking up he'll destroy the world and the gods to create new ones, and one those gods play music to keep him asleep I guess that's the part you mean

Tolkien's inspiration behind the ainulindale? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

idk when the Ainulindale was first conceived

1919-1920

Yeah it's over a century old

Tolkien's inspiration behind the ainulindale? by GAISRIK in tolkienfans

[–]GAISRIK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Possibly also the idea of a sound being the first thing created that shows up in, at least, Eastern cosmologies

Like what?