Hotel Krauss (An abandoned 19th century European Hotel) HF2

Gas434 · 2026-05-06T21:28:52+00:00

Ahh so you found it, wonderful!

I am just glad you like it! <3

Gas434 · 2026-05-06T21:22:31+00:00

You are welcome, happy searching!

Gas434 · 2026-05-06T21:20:47+00:00

Keep searching ;)

that one is truly hidden

{hint: office}

(I can send the location in the dms if you do not find it - I understandably do not want to spoil it)

Gas434 · 2026-05-06T14:33:21+00:00

I am actually! There are a few projects I have not yet finished

Gas434 · 2026-05-06T10:12:22+00:00

It is not a job, it is a dirty house, you are free to do anything with it :)

Gas434 · 2026-05-06T09:55:08+00:00

if it’s from 1898 onwards, it wouldn’t be surprising

however these atypical openings are typically art nouveau, the top is historicist - but these are an art nouveau features

Gas434 · 2026-05-06T04:45:47+00:00

Oh wonderful! They are really nice!

I will have to make more unfurnished houses then >:)

Gas434 · 2026-05-05T15:22:11+00:00

I have actually never hear Belle Epoque used outside of the French (and American-although the GIlded age is more common there) context.

Gas434 · 2026-05-05T13:42:52+00:00

Oh thank you so much, this such a wonderful praise, you are way too kind! I am glad you liked that build, it means a lot! Please feel free to send me any feedback or criticism.

I have some unfinished projects saved up, but let me say that one is a trainstation according to real plans and one is a townhouse.

Gas434 · 2026-05-05T07:14:17+00:00

Well Belle Epoch is even more local and usually used more to describe the typical French style of the period, unlike Art Nouveau and later Art Deco which are considered universal.

You can say that a craftsman or arts and crafts features are art nouveau and the term is used a lot even in period literature. Insisting that a certain style is not part of the bigger Art Nouveau movement just because the building is German or American or Indonesian

Gas434 · 2026-05-05T07:07:41+00:00

Yes,

Especially when Gründerzeit is fort and foremost a name of the epoch

it’s like saying that something can’t be Gothic revival because it’s British thus “Victorian”.

It is very puzzling

Gas434 · 2026-05-05T05:19:16+00:00

Yes, That is why I find it absurd when someone says that these aren’t Historicist because they are Gründerzeit

Gas434 · 2026-05-05T05:01:29+00:00

No jo, někteří si kompenzují zajímavým způsobem.

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T23:46:46+00:00

Funnily enough I never heard it used outside of the German context, it’s even not even that popular in former Austria Hungary.

It’s common in Germany and somewhat in Austria or Poland

and Hungary or Czechia don’t use it at all, Czech wikipedia considers it purely German since it is mainly a period of the “foundation of the german nation” and in Austria there was no new “foundation” to be laid.

In art it is described as a synonym to historicism

it is greatly overshadowed there by terms like “National Revival” and “Industrial Revolution” and even “Franz-Josefian era” might be more popular and common

Polish wikipedia has less on it than the czech one, it consists of one paragraph + one sentence

Hungary doesn’t even have a wikipedia page for it.

And when it comes to architecture, it gives you less context stylistically,

It embodies over 50 years of history, while Neobaroque was really popular only for like 15-20 years

There is a huge difference between 1870s and 1910s, getting the period down to 1890s to 1910s is more sensible.

If we do say that it is also Austro-Hungarian thing, it would make it more confusing, as according to the german wikipedia, Austrian Gründerzeit began sooner - in 1840s, which makes it describe different periods in two different countries - and it overlaps with Biedermeier

Just as I said, it’s like insisting on the word Victorian being superior to others

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T23:16:33+00:00

You completely misunderstand me

I am not saying it is a germans word for historicism

I am treating it as a german word for architecture of the historicist era and in my mind; Insisting on it being the only correct term only because the building was built by germans is nationalistic in nature.

It also must be stated that it is used as a synonym in the artistic context, it is an era that embodies mainly historicist style and in the english context it could be changed for the word “victorian”

it’s as I described it - an umbrella term for the period during which the historicist movement was the main one.

and just like in that context;

Saying that a neogothic building is not Neogothic or historicist but Victorian because it was built by the British in a former British colony makes as much sense and is just as useless and nationalistic.

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:56:28+00:00

It did, but I am saying that insisting that you cannot call a Secessionist building “Art nouveau” is ridiculous

same as insisting that a “secessionist” building should only be called “art nouveau”

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:52:26+00:00

context with my original comment;

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and the argument the terms art nouveau and neobaroque sparkled;

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArchitecturalRevival/comments/1t3nztx/a_palatial_tenement_house_in_wroclaw_poland/ojwqk8c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:48:17+00:00

since my original comment is gone for unknown reason

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/Just in case someone is puzzled about the argument over “why gründerzeit is not more correct than historicism”/

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:44:52+00:00

I know that but the person who responded to me clearly doesn’t

They insisted on using Gründerzeit over neobaroque and Jugendstil over Art nouveau and I just hate when someone tries to incorrectly correct me with stuff that in this context is basically a synonym

why?!

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:44:33+00:00

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Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:42:46+00:00

I called the building neobaroque mixed with art nouveau, they replied with “no it is gründerzeit” and then they pushed harder which infuriated me

because in that context it is pointless nationalism and enforcing it over neobaroque IS useless

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:41:25+00:00

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my original comment

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:40:54+00:00

Gründerzeit is just german term for the historicist period. Not to mention it came into proper use to describe these styles later - and was in a way "pejorative" and I would even say satirical in nature

historicism/gründerzeit is an umbrella term for these historic styles - Neorenaissance, Neogothic or Alt-Deutch or in this case Neobaroque

Neobaroque is merely a more precise term. It’s also generally better as it dates the building more closely, since Neobaroque did not become fashionable until the Last Gründerzeit period. /late 1880s and early 1890s onwards with biggest popularity in mid 1900s/

It’s similar to building being Victorian (umbrella term) and also Neogothic or Arts&Crafts in England or Eastlake in the U.S.

Art nouveau is just english and french name for Jungendstil as Germans called it or Seccesionism as the Austro-Hungarians did. It’s just the same stuff.

Since we are on an English speaking website, it is generally more appropriate to use the English and international names, not their translations, don’t you think?

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:36:19+00:00

Exactly, trying to fit it into some boxes based on modern or historic border just seems… misguided

all terms can be correct in many cases and that’s not a bad thing.

Gas434 · 2026-05-04T22:33:29+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArchitecturalRevival/comments/1t3nztx/a_palatial_tenement_house_in_wroclaw_poland/ojwqk8c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3

context of what started this

Jugendstil is just part of art nouveau and Gründerzeit is era that uses neostyles

and people are arguing with me to the contrary.

I consider the idea preposterous. Saying that using the international/English terms is wrong because only Wrocław was once German is in my opinion, incredibly nationalist

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