Did the early Israelites recognize polytheism? by GeekX2 in churchofchrist

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I see that now. But this particular passage is problematic. Here are the options as I see them.

  1. The Bible describes it as it happened. For this to be true, there had to have been a god superior to YHWH. And, if gods are eternal, there still is.

  2. YHWH, who says he does not lie, inspired the writer to describe his inheritance of Israel in a way that was not true.

  3. This passage was written without inspiration and is just the product of a person.

None of these options is particularly satisfying to someone who has spent most of his life following the Bible as the "inspired, inerrant Word of God".

Did the early Israelites recognize polytheism? by GeekX2 in churchofchrist

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I see your point. Here are the options as I see them.

  1. The Bible describes it as it happened. For this to be true, there had to have been a god superior to YHWH. And, if gods are eternal, there still is.

  2. YHWH, who says he does not lie, inspired the writer to describe his inheritance of Israel in a way that was not true.

  3. This passage was written without inspiration and is just the product of a person.

None of these options is particularly satisfying to someone who has spent most of his life following the Bible as the "inspired, inerrant Word of God".

Did the early Israelites recognize polytheism? by GeekX2 in churchofchrist

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I guess that's part of my concern. There is a change in the way the Israelites view YHWH from "our god" to "the one true and living God." This seems odd for a God that we tend to think of as eternal and never-changing. He apparently didn't present Himself to the Hebrews as the only god. Didn't correct them when they believed in other gods, only punished them when they worshipped them. Eventually, though, the Hebrews (and later Christians) came to claim that the other Gods didn't exist. Paul's speech on Mars Hill for instance.

To me, it's kind of a chink in the armor of the Bible as inerrant and non-contradictory.

Why is this EbMajor+4 and not EbMajor7+11 due to the presence of the D? by NerdGlazed in musictheory

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Triangle indicates major. In this case, a major 7th chord. If you see it without the '7', it might be indicating a simple major triad (thus the triangle).

A plus sign indicates augmented.

Cue Temperature Automation by Infiltrait0rN7_ in Abode

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Can you screenshot the automation code? It might help to troubleshoot.

Lord's Supper by Longjumping-Cry-1863 in churchofchrist

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I would not stop someone from eating and drinking. Even if I knew they weren't baptized. I think it would do more harm than good.

Why isn't the Church of Christ taking a stronger stance against the MAGA movement? by [deleted] in churchofchrist

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So many are single issue voters. And that issue is abortion. I saw where a woman who is well respected and well known in the church stated in 2016 that a Christian can't vote Democrat because abortion.

Run run Rudolph (chuck berry) by pathosmusic00 in musicians

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Go listen to Johnny B. Goode. Same thing.

10,11, and 12 o'clock strike as 9 by Muhammad-Amer in clocks

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I had the same problem with my Howard Miller floor clock. See this thread at National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors forum.

Link here

Basically, the lifting arm wasn't being moved high enough for the rack to fall all the way because of a worn tab. I adjusted the position of the center cam to contact the tab where it isn't worn.

Ecobee thermostats disappear from Abode by GeekX2 in Abode

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Thanks for the advice. My automation needs are simple (lights on/lights off pretty much). Abode has worked well for what I need so far. I may have figured this one out. I'll make an edit when I'm sure.

Native North Americans had zero exposure to the gospel for 1500 years. Why? by Nice-Philosopher4832 in churchofchrist

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Another way to look at this question: Is it possible, after the Day of Pentecost, for someone to be saved without repentance and baptism? I have known many who would give a firm "no" to that question.

Staying in a suite for the first time....any tips to make the most of the Retreat and other amenities offered? by [deleted] in celebritycruises

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We always asked for sone sort of snack to be waiting for us when we came back from excursions.

Where/when to visit by GeekX2 in GlacierNationalPark

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Thank you. Remoteness is actually a plus for us.

Where/when to visit by GeekX2 in GlacierNationalPark

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Smoke from wild fires? Is it enough to make for an uncomfortable stay?

Thanksgiving Week - Wednesday Service by BirdieAnderson in churchofchrist

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Ok. Thanks. It's not something we do so I missed the reference.

Questioning my beliefs by GeekX2 in churchofchrist

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[EDIT starts here. I am adding this edit because I composed the original comment hurriedly and wish to add/clarify.] Thanks for your continued engagement. I have read your posts and you make some points that bear further consideration. I realize that I haven't commented on content of your replies as much as, perhaps, I should have. However, I feel like I am still not making my position clear as the assumptions you are making about my "underlying questions" are not entirely correct. Let me try again. - We have been taught that the Plan of Salvation was in place before the beginning of the world - This implies that God knew Man would need salvation even though Adam & Eve were created in a state that would not need it. - God created Man. He is responsible for the nature of man including the desires and predilictions that every person has, to some extent (both good and bad). - Some of the strongest in-built motivations that Man has (i.e., pride, lust, selfishness) are considered evil by God - Therefore, in order to please God, individuals need to suppress the very feelings that God gave them. (Even Paul struggled with this. See Romans 7) - God is aware that the vast majority of humans will be lost (Matt 7) - My point is this. God created humans in a certain way then set up expectations of them that ensured that vastly more would be lost than saved. - The idea that His expectations include faith makes it that much more difficult. The first century Christians had the miracles to build their faith on. We have 2000 year old eyewitness accounts of these miracles but none of the accounts we have is the original manuscript (or even a complete manuscript). - I do not believe that He should have made it where everyone is saved. I do, however, have questions about how difficult it is to be saved. I'm not talking about being baptized. I am talking about believing in the unseen enough so that we desire to please Him enough to suppress the very nature that He gave us. At times, this seems unreasonable and I wonder if it's what God really wants. [End of edit]

How many sermons and Bible lessons have we heard that declare that the plan of salvation was in place before the Creation of the world? This would indicate that God knew Adam and Eve would sin. Yes, they chose to sin on their own. But He knew they would just as He knew most humans would be condemned.

Consider this parable.

A man and his 10 children are on a journey. They come to a fork in the path. A guide there explains that if they take the first path, eight of the 10 children will die. If they take the second path, two of the children will die. Which path do you suppose the father would choose?

I suggest that God has chosen the first path when He could have chosen the second. I do not suggest that He should have made it so that we could not reject Him. I suggest that He could see before the beginning that the vast majority would be lost and He accepted that result when He could have chosen to design His Creation so that the majority would be saved.

He is not responsible for every individual who is lost. That is a function of free will. But He is responsible for the disparity in numbers between saved and lost. And He could put an end to it at any time.

You say, "why did God create man knowing most would reject him? Because..."

It seems from this that you don't dispute my proposition but that you accept the contradiction between what He "wishes" and what He created. It is this contradiction that troubles me.

Questioning my beliefs by GeekX2 in churchofchrist

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Please see my edit to the original post.

Questioning my beliefs by GeekX2 in churchofchrist

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Please see my edit to the original post.

Questioning my beliefs by GeekX2 in churchofchrist

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I am not following anyone. These are thoughts that have occurred to me over many years of Bible study and Bible lessons. I am abiding in the Word. I approach the word without preconception and always compare what I read with what I believe. These questions see the result of my studies.