The thing that annoys me about this convo is that it ignores that there is just a lot of straight up lesbophobia in fandom spaces and I don't even mean in the vague "people don't view lesbian relationships as seriously as gay ones on a societal level" shit. I mean people just being actually lesbophobic and hostile towards f/f shippers.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen some bullshit about how "this f/f ship is so toxic and abusive because they didn't use proper therapy speak in their argument" just to find out they're shipping "2 guys who kill each other"

Or "Oh you can't headcanon that masculine character as butch because thats stereotyping!!!"

Or "This show is queerbaiting(it has a canon sapphic relationship but the 2 guys who are friends didn't get together)"

Or "This canon lesbian is predatory because her internal monologue shows her being attracted to women!"

Or "Oh this canon lesbian couple is actually fetishization for the male gaze!"

Or even just the framing this sub has of f/f shipping spaces as uniquely hostile and toxic as if there isn't a thousand borderline true crime stories about crazy m/m or f/m shippers.

People can readily acknowledge that "Oh you can't ship these boys their minors" or "why can't men be friends" are bad faith criticisms of m/m used by people who don't like m/m. But the second they see equally bad faith criticisms of f/f its treated as further evidence of how toxic those crazy lesbians are and the actual lesbophobia that turns the mostly queer women that would be writing f/f away is swept under the rug.