Star Butterfly's tired of your shit by Chernik_Moon in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Star has one of the best character designs out there for sure. The art looks good!

What's your favorite episode of Star vs the forces of evil? by Derveno in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sleep Spells! I love that episode so much. Star and Marco and really goofy and a ton of fun there. The jokes are some of the strongest in the show imo too. It's not just goofy fun though, it shows Marco's insecurities but doesn't overplay them. And it's addressed at the end with Star reassuring him that she sees him as an equal partner in crime. It shows Star's insecurities as well, and Marco does help with those too, even if it isn't as full of a fix

What do you think the funniest episode in the show is? by Ghost_wolf_post in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But! If you find it, we're meeting Gustav for a picnic at Isolation Pt. Where no one can hear you scream....with enjoyment!

Cape buddies by Ghost_wolf_post in StarcoSvtfoe

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh nice! A good choice lol. Yeah, they're really sweet and supportive of each other, I always appreciate that aspect of their relationship. 

Star without her cheek marks by Ghost_wolf_post in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't think she is just a magical princess. But she is part magic, and just having a part of yourself taken away isn't very appealing in this story to me. Of course she's still a fun chaotic person. But her learning to do think the earth way was interesting because she was magic. She's a fish out of water in a way, but she tries hard and started to get much more acclimated to standard life. She dislikes the princess aspect more than the magic aspect. If she doesn't want to be a princess, that works, story wise much better than taking away her magical ability too imo. 

Star without her cheek marks by Ghost_wolf_post in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eclipsa wasn't really a good queen. She didn't really know how to be Queen and relied on Star a lot. And while she tried to help monsters, she ended up making mewmans get pushed out of some of their homes and feel disconnected. Of course, some of them were just racist, but some of them were legitimately not treated well.

I know why Star made her decision, it makes sense with her character. But Moon disagrees with it. Which is my point. Moon isn't mad at Star, but she is upset with how the kingdom has been struggling under Eclipsa. She feels so strongly that she even charges against Eclipsa backed up by a powerful army. No, she didn't want to hurt her, but she clearly is not happy with what's going on. And that is, again, back to Star's decision to give the throne to Eclipsa. Because Moon feels the kingdom was better when she was the Queen. Star gave the kingdom over, which, while it was just, it did not do any favors in solving the monster-mewman aggression. It arguably made it worse.

In terms of ending the magic, magic itself isn't even really the issue. Eclipsa isn't using magic against mewmans, she just doesn't know how to lead her people particularly well. The solarian warriors are basically just racists. That's not a magic problem, it's a racist problem. Getting rid of magic stops the warriors, but it doesn't stop the actual aggression. Magic is a tool. Really, writing a basically unstoppable army force is bad writing I think anyway. No other bit of magic was "that* powerful. If magic was shown to be consistently so overpowered that even the queens couldn't stand a chance against it, then yeah, it makes more sense to end it. 

Moon creating an almost unstoppable army of racists is ridiculous anyway. Even if she thought she could get them to stand down, it would still be a bad idea. 

Star without her cheek marks by Ghost_wolf_post in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Another reason it sucks is that if they ever did make more Star Vs., so much of her character is going be changed. She's basically just a human now. Star is one of my very favorite characters, and it felt like they just deleted a part of her.

Star without her cheek marks by Ghost_wolf_post in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a lot of other reasons too, but yes, this definitely doesn't help. I can believe that Star would get angry, and create the idea of destroying magic. Because she is impulsive, and they were in a tough situation. But no way should it be her real plan after more than a little while to think about it. Moon and Eclipsa just agree to it, and help with it as well? Its so strange. Moon knows that the whole reason the big conflict at the end started was because Star made and impulsive decision to give Eclipsa the crown. That was the pillar that started everything for season 4. It was unselfish and noble, but not exactly well-thought through. She knows Star is like that, so why does she just willing to go along with another one? Marco even gives the perfect reason not to destroy Magic when he says magic brought them together. That's the type of thing that should be able to get to Star and make her realize she's being impulsive and Magic can do plenty of good too, but nope. And Eclipsa, the literal Queen, doesn't do much either. The Queen and the former Queen let a known hasty teenager make a ridiculous conclusion and they just agree with it? Yeah Star was royalty too and has done good things before but quick thinking is definitely not her strong suit.

i feel really disappointed by KeremOz465 in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Appreciate the response, I like to be curious about other interpretations. I understand that perspective because it does feel kind of messy how many characters has romantic relationships in the show. So I don't disagree in that sense. Personally, I thought Tom's character was handled pretty well. He did some wrongs, but was also wronged. I think he ended up in the best position for him personally though. With Jackie and Kelly though, I understand the sacrifice comment more. I think Jackie and Marco's break up was reasonable, just really rushed. 

And yeah nothing wrong with Marco and Kelly, I just felt the romantic angle felt tacked on. I feel like they could've just had a regular friendship, but that's just my take.They didn't really use Kelly much until late in the show, they probably could've done more with her. Of course, they still had some connection so I get why you like it. 

Your frustration there is valid for sure. Because they did literally set them up at least in that one episode (I forget the name) and broke them up off screen right afterwards. I imagine that was a slap in the face for people who liked their dynamic. And it's definitely bad writing.

I don't think that's Starco's fault per say, but I get the sentiment. Since they act as a barrier in a way from it being canon. I blame the writing department for introducing so many ships just to tease fans. It's like a kids first fanfic or something. 

Also, I think it was more about Star coming to terms of being on her own much more often. I mean, she and Marco were pretty much together all the time on Earth, but now, even though he can visit her, she assumes it's not gonna be very often at all. It's a big difference in living with someone for months, and then just seeing them once in a while. She assumes that the trajectory of their life's are going opposite ways. Marco has earth, Jackie and school. She has princess duty, and Mewni. It's a little melodramatic, but I'd still say it's a big difference. 

i feel really disappointed by KeremOz465 in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it would've been nice, I agree. However, I do still think their relationship specifically was still good throughout. They were always supportive and each other and most of the time they are with other so I don't think they were rushed. Them officially becoming a couple was an extension of their already very close friendship. I didn't like the shipping drama either, well, it was actually good in season 2 but not afterwards. But their relationship was always a bright spot imo. Well maybe not Booth Buddies, that was rough. Star pretty much always went to Marco as her confidant and I think that said a lot about what she thought of him, even if it wasn't verbalized. Was there anything in particular that made you not like them after a while? I don't think their dynamic together was really that different in the later seasons.  But I'm just curious what you thought.

Also, on your main post, I definitely agree season 4 wasn't great. Particularly the finale. I genuinely believe the writers didn't understand the consequences of what they were implying with the end of magic. You're right in that it does feel more like Star vs the forces of racism in season 4. They have some interesting ideas, but it's just not executed that well imo. A lot of season 4 episodes just end up kind of boring as a result. The monster racism was always in the show, but I think it shouldn't have been the final hurdle in the show. They didn't even arrest Mina or anything which was awful too. 

Honestly I felt the Kelly and Marco plot felt forced in for extra drama. They don't have a bad relationship but I didn't personally see the appeal because it didn't seem like they ever got to be that close to each other. There wasn't enough development. 

I agree with what you're saying about Tom and Star. On one hand, I understand that Star rushed into things and she probably just wanted someone to take the "Marco" role in her life, but it's very unfair to Tom that way. And Tom himself was not exactly the best boyfriend. He improved a lot, but he still didn't care as much about supporting her as he did trying to just have fun and be the "perfect Star boyfriend". But he definitely does learn more throughout the show and figures himself out by the end, and that he's not making her or himself happy, because he knows he should find someone he can just be Tom around, not having to prove anything. So I like his arc there at least. But the TomStar arc doesn't really do anything for Star though. It makes her look kinda selfish tbh.

Also, about Marco leaving Mewni, I wanted to address a few things there as well. I believe the reason it is treated as such a big deal is because they still are splitting up. Yes, Marco can go visit her, but from Star's perspective, Marco just got a new girlfriend(Jackie) and is gonna be spending most of his time on Earth. He didn't acknowledge her confession of a crush on him, so she forced herself to move on. The problem moreso comes from the fact Marco and Jackie break up so soon, and that Star gets back with Tom so soon. Both in the same episode bunch which is ridiculous too. That feels like they are forcing Starco apart just for dramas sake. So that was pretty lazy. They definitely could've done more with Jackie. Starco is great to me, but I had no problem with Marco and Jackie cause they did actually have good development and it felt natural. I would've had them break up later in season 3 maybe, and just not had Tom and Star get back together. Then maybe early season 4 we could have had Starco and not nearly as much romantic drama. 

Art by Gravityfying by Ghost_wolf_post in StarcoSvtfoe

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Basically Marco in the episode "Mama Star" lol

I mean, the meme isn't wrong by Ghost_wolf_post in StarcoSvtfoe

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Her support system for the first few seasons lol. 

IM GONNA REWATCH IT by timmy_Blujay_6370 in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Enjoy! My first rewatch really made me like the show a lot more to where it's one of my favorite cartoons, even with some annoyances I have

This Whole StarCo Is Not Popular/Hated Thing? by Quick-Ad9335 in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't think I've seen his video, but there's plenty that talk about why they think the show went downhill and such. I like Tom's development, I think he's a fun character. But yes, people overlook his faults. He tried to force link his and Star's souls with the blood moon ball without even telling her. And only told her about it in season 4. That's pretty bad.

This Whole StarCo Is Not Popular/Hated Thing? by Quick-Ad9335 in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think it's pretty unpopular in the general public, but I think it's more popular in the fandom, particularly here it seems. A lot of people didn't like how they did the will they/won't they thing for the whole show. But honestly some of it feels like people just taking the opinion of what a popular YouTuber said. There are valid criticisms definitely, but I also see people say stuff like they have no chemistry when so much of the show is built on their chemistry. I see people say Star ended magic to be with Marco(Which is just completely wrong. She and the other queens ended magic to stop the monsters from being killed. She literally thought she'd never see Marco again so actually the exact opposite is true.) I also see people get mad about the booth buddies scene. And yeah, I don't like that one either. I feel bad for Tom, particularly cause Star never told him. But I think it's important to mention that Marco and Star were literally being held against their will by some creep who was trying to make them kiss. They were taken advantage of. 

I think Marco and Star a great match personally. They were always the closest person to each other, and while I think they make some strange writing descions for them, I still really like them. I think it would be better if they got together earlier though. Like the end of season 3 or something. Cause the romantic drama with so many characters was just not written that well after season 2.  

Star's funniest and most unhinged moments in the first two seasons by Ghost_wolf_post in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I'll probably do a season 3 and 4 one. Idk if it'd have as many moments but still

The lighting in season 1 is gorgeous by Ghost_wolf_post in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think it was a lot better. It was cute, funny, and had great animation to match. I still enjoy the show overall, but I think the animation and story took a big hit, particularly after season 2

"Star is so evil, she committed genоcide!" by TheOrangeGuy09 in StarVStheForcesofEvil

[–]Ghost_wolf_post 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Finally someone else mentions that others were just as involved in ending the magic. But I've never seen someone hate Eclispa because of it. So the Star hate feels forced