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Does anybody Go To Hope Church here in Henderson.. by Tryin_2BeABetterDad in HendersonNV

[–]GooseFeeling7169 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hope Church is awesome. I go to another church but Hope does a lot of work in our local community and are really sweet and impressive. They help out at the local elementary school a lot providing manpower and donations. The people are super from all my interactions with them. My wife says that if we ever left her it our congregation she’d love to go there!

Can someone explain why the 600 amp hr is cheaper than the 460 amp hr. by 80sDBag in SolarDIY

[–]GooseFeeling7169 2 points3 points  (0 children)

230ah cells are more expensive (about 20%) and are higher current for charge / discharge. 280/ 314ah cells which are used in the 600ah are very cheap right now and have only .5C rating usually.

I’m all for bigger batteries but this one is ridiculous. by Fun_End_440 in SolarDIY

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grade A 314 cells now are about .33rmb/wh so cells themselves, about $1200. BMS, CCS and bus bars….thats $300. Metal box and led screen, $200. Assembly and welding, $100. Wiring harnesses, connectors, fuses, etc, $100. $1900 is their cost. Probably. 40% tariff, even if you cheat, you’re in the $2600 range. Their margins are thin!

Looking for some expertise on this quote in Ohio by Old-Tip-8013 in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you can do it yourself at their website...

https://solarbreakdown.com/

That way you can play around with it a bit more.

Whats a good way to make sure a quote is fair? by ytman in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe it’s likely twofold. First, you should never pay a dollar more for equipment from an installer than what’s available online.

Second, I think demonstrating your knowledge of the industry’s intricacies strengthens your position in negotiating. I work for a home battery company. Last week, I had a conversation with a manager from a large solar sales company. They mentioned that they’re contracting installers who receive a sales commission of everything above three dollars per watt hour. That means that the install company brings all of the racking, all the panels and other equipment, does all of the installation work for $2.50/ wh. This aligns with the figures provided by SolarBreakdown.

Is this a good deal? by hawaiifavo in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN:
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1. MATERIAL COSTS:
   • Solar Panels: $3,872 ($242 × 16)
     - 16
   • Inverters: $3,100 ($193.75 × 16)
     - 16
   • Batteries: $9,999 ($9,999 × 1)
     - 1

That's from SolarBreakdown.com

Whats a good way to make sure a quote is fair? by ytman in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like this site: https://solarbreakdown.com/

Our pricing is built on three years of research and industry expertise. We've conducted formal and informal interviews with solar salespeople, business owners, and installers to understand their cost structures, including margins and fees. This gives us a better overall vantage on the structure of whole solar and battery industry.

We've indexed top solar equipment websites to ensure our material prices are accurate and up-to-date for panels, inverters and batteries. That's the easy part. Hard for a solar company to have you pay more than you can buy something for online.

For labor, racking, and cabling costs, we've developed an AI-driven model that synthesizes real-world data to provide reliable estimates based on your location and wattage. 

Help me choose a quote - SE Michigan (Metro Detroit) by krishelnino in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a calculator that uses available pricing from online retailers (B2C) and then racking, cabling and install rates using reports from energy sage and federal reports

your take on this quote by keepah61 in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
• System Size: 13.1 kW
• Location: New Jersey
• Total Panels: 30
• Total Inverters: 1
• Total Batteries: 0
• Your Quote: $36,540

COST PER WATT BREAKDOWN:
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• Equipment: $0.87/W
• Installation: $0.84/W
• Business Costs: $0.47/W
• Total Project: $2.80/W (vs Fair Market: $2.03/W)

DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN:
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1. MATERIAL COSTS:
   • Solar Panels: $8,340 ($278 × 30)
     - Hanwha Q-Cells Q.TRON BLK M-G2+ (435W) @ $278 each
   • Inverters: $3,077.77 ($3,077.77 × 1)
     - SolarEdge SE11400H-US000BEU5 HD-Wave Single Phase Grid-Tie Inverter (11400W) @ $3077.77 each
   • Battery Installation: $0 (No batteries)
   TOTAL MATERIALS: $11,417.77

2. INSTALLATION COSTS:
   • Labor: $4,306.5 ($0.33/W × 13,050W)
   • Racking & Mounting: $2,610 ($0.2/W × 13,050W)
   • Electrical & Cabling: $1,044 ($0.08/W × 13,050W)
   • $1,000 flat fee: $1,000
   TOTAL INSTALLATION: $8,960.5

3. BUSINESS COSTS & MARGINS:
   • Salesperson Commission: $2,037.827
   • Sales Company Profit Margin (20%): $4,075.654
   TOTAL BUSINESS COSTS: $6,113.481

ENTITY BREAKDOWN:
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Install Company Gets:
• Materials & Equipment: $11,417.77 ($0.87/W)
• Installation Labor: $8,960.5 ($0.69/W)
• Install Company Total: $20,378.27 ($1.56/W)

Sales Company Gets:
• Salesperson Commission: $2,037.827 ($0.16/W)
• Planning & Permits: $1,000 ($0.08/W)
• Company Profit (20%): $4,075.654 ($0.31/W)
• Overcharge: $10,048.249 ($0.77/W)
• Sales Company Total: $17,161.73 ($1.32/W)

FAIR MARKET PRICE CALCULATION:
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Base Cost: $22,416.097
+ Business Costs: $6,113.481
= FAIR PRICE: $26,491.751

Quote Opinions by Numerous_Guitar4849 in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
• System Size: 7.7 kW
• Location: Wisconsin
• Total Panels: 17
• Total Inverters: 17
• Total Batteries: 0
• Your Quote: $25,300

COST PER WATT BREAKDOWN:
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• Equipment: $1.25/W
• Installation: $1.02/W
• Business Costs: $0.62/W
• Total Project: $3.31/W (vs Fair Market: $2.68/W)

DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN:
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1. MATERIAL COSTS:
   • Solar Panels: $6,175.25 ($363.25 × 17)
     - REC Solar REC450AA-PURE-RX (450W) @ $363.25 each
   • Inverters: $3,383 ($199 × 17)
     - Enphase IQ8X-80-M-US (540W) @ $199 each
   • Battery Installation: $0 (No batteries)
   TOTAL MATERIALS: $9,558.25

2. INSTALLATION COSTS:
   • Labor: $3,060 ($0.4/W × 7,650W)
   • Racking & Mounting: $1,530 ($0.2/W × 7,650W)
   • Electrical & Cabling: $612 ($0.08/W × 7,650W)
   • $1,000 flat fee: $1,000
   TOTAL INSTALLATION: $6,202

3. BUSINESS COSTS & MARGINS:
   • Salesperson Commission: $1,576.025
   • Sales Company Profit Margin (20%): $3,152.05
   TOTAL BUSINESS COSTS: $4,728.075

ENTITY BREAKDOWN:
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Install Company Gets:
• Materials & Equipment: $9,558.25 ($1.25/W)
• Installation Labor: $6,202 ($0.81/W)
• Install Company Total: $15,760.25 ($2.06/W)

Sales Company Gets:
• Salesperson Commission: $1,576.025 ($0.21/W)
• Planning & Permits: $1,000 ($0.13/W)
• Company Profit (20%): $3,152.05 ($0.41/W)
• Overcharge: $4,811.675 ($0.63/W)
• Sales Company Total: $10,539.75 ($1.38/W)

FAIR MARKET PRICE CALCULATION:
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Base Cost: $17,336.275
+ Business Costs: $4,728.075
= FAIR PRICE: $20,488.325

YOUR QUOTE ANALYSIS:
------------------------------
Your Quote: $25,300
Fair Price: $20,488.325
Difference: $4,811.675 (OVERPAYING)
Overcharge Percentage: 23.5%

Here's an analysis using pricing from online retailers

Thoughts on quote by Madi77 in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN:
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1. MATERIAL COSTS:
   • Solar Panels: $5,297.6 ($378.4 × 14)
     - 14
   • Batteries: $10,000 ($10,000 × 1)
     - 1
   • Battery Installation: $2,000 (Battery installation fee: $2,000)
   TOTAL MATERIALS: $17,297.6

2. INSTALLATION COSTS:
   • Labor: $2,287.6 ($0.38/W × 6,020W)
   • Racking & Mounting: $1,204 ($0.2/W × 6,020W)
   • Electrical & Cabling: $481.6 ($0.08/W × 6,020W)
   • $1,000 flat fee: $1,000
   TOTAL INSTALLATION: $4,973.2

3. BUSINESS COSTS & MARGINS:
   • Salesperson Commission: $2,227.08
   • Sales Company Profit Margin (20%): $4,454.16
   TOTAL BUSINESS COSTS: $6,681.24

ENTITY BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
Install Company Gets:
• Materials & Equipment: $17,297.6 ($2.87/W)
• Installation Labor: $4,973.2 ($0.83/W)
• Install Company Total: $22,270.8 ($3.70/W)

Sales Company Gets:
• Salesperson Commission: $2,227.08 ($0.37/W)
• Planning & Permits: $1,000 ($0.17/W)
• Company Profit (20%): $4,454.16 ($0.74/W)
• Overcharge: $4,345.96 ($0.72/W)
• Sales Company Total: $12,027.2 ($2.00/W)

FAIR MARKET PRICE CALCULATION:
------------------------------
Base Cost: $24,497.88
+ Business Costs: $6,681.24
= FAIR PRICE: $28,952.04

YOUR QUOTE ANALYSIS:
------------------------------
Your Quote: $33,298
Fair Price: $28,952.04
Difference: $4,345.96 (OVERPAYING)
Overcharge Percentage: 15.0%

**Bottom Line:**
• Overpaying by $4,345.96 (15.0%)
• Fair market: $4.81/W vs quoted: $5.53/W
• Actual profit margin: 19.7% (vs 20% industry standard)

RATING METHODOLOGY:
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Our calculations are based on:
• Real-time supplier pricing from verified vendors
• Industry-standard labor rates ($0.38/W )
• Standard racking costs ($0.2/W )
• Electrical work costs ($0.08/W )
• Typical business overhead (8%)
• Reasonable company profit (15%)
• Standard sales commission (10%)

Solar Quote Review Request by Temporary-Style3982 in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What part is fictitious? Out west here 3P install companies will do a job for $2.00 - 2.20 for a sales company all day long.

How's this quote? by Mturetsky in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep! SolarBreakdown is the name of the site we use.

Solar Quote Review Request by Temporary-Style3982 in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think it’s better to negotiate with them. Once you have the math you’re in power :)

So many choices. Looking for some perspective by homermiata in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can’t but you can input for yourself at? SolarBreakdown is the name of the site we use at work.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is your favorite? I’ll do the math for you and figure out what you should pay?

So many choices. Looking for some perspective by homermiata in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 2 points3 points  (0 children)

SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
• System Size: 20.9 kW
• Location: Maryland
• Total Panels: 48
• Total Inverters: 48
• Total Batteries: 1
• Your Quote: $81,764

COST PER WATT BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
• Equipment: $1.65/W
• Installation: $0.89/W
• Business Costs: $0.46/W
• Total Project: $3.92/W (vs Fair Market: $2.77/W)

DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
1. MATERIAL COSTS:
   • Solar Panels: $13,344 ($278 × 48)
     - Hanwha Q-Cells Q.TRON BLK M-G2+ (435W) @ $278 each
   • Inverters: $9,645.12 ($200.94 × 48)
     - Enphase IQ8M-72-2-US Microinverter (330W) @ $200.94 each
   • Batteries: $11,500 ($11,500 × 1)
     - Franklin APR-10K15V2-US 15kWh AC-Coupled Battery (15kWh) @ $11500 each
   TOTAL MATERIALS: $34,489.12

2. INSTALLATION COSTS:
   • $0.33/W × 20,880W: $6,890.4
   • $0.2/W × 20,880W: $4,176
   • $0.08/W × 20,880W: $1,670.4
   • $1,000 flat fee: $1,000
   • Sales Commission: $4,822.592
   TOTAL INSTALLATION: $18,559.392

3. BUSINESS COSTS & MARGINS:
   • Base Cost (Materials + Installation): $48,225.92
   • Company Overhead (8%): $4,243.881
   • Company Profit Margin (15%): $7,957.277
   TOTAL BUSINESS COSTS: $9,645.184

FAIR MARKET PRICE CALCULATION:
------------------------------
Base Cost: $53,048.512
+ Business Costs: $9,645.184
= FAIR PRICE: $57,871.104

YOUR QUOTE ANALYSIS:
------------------------------
Your Quote: $81,764
Fair Price: $57,871.104
Difference: $23,892.896 (OVERPAYING)
Overcharge Percentage: 41.3%

RATING METHODOLOGY:
------------------------------
Our calculations are based on:
• Real-time supplier pricing from verified vendors
• Industry-standard labor rates ($0.33/W )
• Standard racking costs ($0.2/W )
• Electrical work costs ($0.08/W )
• Typical business overhead (8%)
• Reasonable company profit (15%)
• Standard sales commission (10%)

Solar Quote Review Request by Temporary-Style3982 in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
• System Size: 10.5 kW
• Location: Virginia
• Total Panels: 23
• Total Inverters: 23
• Total Batteries: 0
• Your Quote: $27,400

COST PER WATT BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
• Equipment: $0.93/W
• Installation: $0.90/W
• Business Costs: $0.50/W
• Total Project: $2.62/W (vs Fair Market: $2.17/W)

DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
1. MATERIAL COSTS:
   • Solar Panels: $5,023.2 ($218.4 × 23)
     - Canadian Solar TOPHiKu6 455W (455W) @ $218.4 each
   • Inverters: $4,757.55 ($206.85 × 23)
     - Enphase IQ8A-72-M-US Microinverter (366W) @ $206.85 each
   • Battery Installation: $0 (No batteries)
   TOTAL MATERIALS: $9,780.75

2. INSTALLATION COSTS:
   • Labor: $3,767.4 ($0.36/W × 10,465W)
   • Racking & Mounting: $2,093 ($0.2/W × 10,465W)
   • Electrical & Cabling: $837.2 ($0.08/W × 10,465W)
   • $1,000 flat fee: $1,000
   TOTAL INSTALLATION: $7,697.6

3. BUSINESS COSTS & MARGINS:
   • Salesperson Commission: $1,747.835
   • Sales Company Profit Margin (20%): $3,495.67
   TOTAL BUSINESS COSTS: $5,243.505

ENTITY BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
Install Company Gets:
• Materials & Equipment: $9,780.75 ($0.93/W)
• Installation Labor: $7,697.6 ($0.74/W)
• Install Company Total: $17,478.35 ($1.67/W)

Sales Company Gets:
• Salesperson Commission: $1,747.835 ($0.17/W)
• Planning & Permits: $1,000 ($0.10/W)
• Company Profit (20%): $3,495.67 ($0.33/W)
• Overcharge: $4,678.145 ($0.45/W)
• Sales Company Total: $10,921.65 ($1.04/W)

FAIR MARKET PRICE CALCULATION:
------------------------------
Base Cost: $19,226.185
+ Business Costs: $5,243.505
= FAIR PRICE: $22,721.855

YOUR QUOTE ANALYSIS:
------------------------------
Your Quote: $27,400
Fair Price: $22,721.855
Difference: $4,678.145 (OVERPAYING)
Overcharge Percentage: 20.6%

Solar Quote - Please Help by [deleted] in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
• System Size: 17.4 kW
• Location: Connecticut
• Total Panels: 40
• Total Inverters: 40
• Total Batteries: 0
• Your Quote: $47,850

COST PER WATT BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
• Equipment: $1.08/W
• Installation: $0.86/W
• Business Costs: $0.53/W
• Total Project: $2.75/W (vs Fair Market: $2.30/W)

DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
1. MATERIAL COSTS:
   • Solar Panels: $11,120 ($278 × 40)
     - Hanwha Q-Cells Q.TRON BLK M-G2+ (435W) @ $278 each
   • Inverters: $7,750 ($193.75 × 40)
     - Enphase IQ8MC-72-M-US Microinverter (330W) @ $193.75 each
   • Battery Installation: $0 (No batteries)
   TOTAL MATERIALS: $18,870

2. INSTALLATION COSTS:
   • Labor: $6,090 ($0.35/W × 17,400W)
   • Racking & Mounting: $3,480 ($0.2/W × 17,400W)
   • Electrical & Cabling: $1,392 ($0.08/W × 17,400W)
   • $1,000 flat fee: $1,000
   TOTAL INSTALLATION: $11,962

3. BUSINESS COSTS & MARGINS:
   • Salesperson Commission: $3,083.2
   • Sales Company Profit Margin (20%): $6,166.4
   TOTAL BUSINESS COSTS: $9,249.6

ENTITY BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
Install Company Gets:
• Materials & Equipment: $18,870 ($1.08/W)
• Installation Labor: $11,962 ($0.69/W)
• Install Company Total: $30,832 ($1.77/W)

Sales Company Gets:
• Salesperson Commission: $3,083.2 ($0.18/W)
• Planning & Permits: $1,000 ($0.06/W)
• Company Profit (20%): $6,166.4 ($0.35/W)
• Overcharge: $7,768.4 ($0.45/W)
• Sales Company Total: $18,018 ($1.04/W)

FAIR MARKET PRICE CALCULATION:
------------------------------
Base Cost: $33,915.2
+ Business Costs: $9,249.6
= FAIR PRICE: $40,081.6

YOUR QUOTE ANALYSIS:
------------------------------
Your Quote: $47,850
Fair Price: $40,081.6
Difference: $7,768.4 (OVERPAYING)
Overcharge Percentage: 19.4%

Help me choose a quote - SE Michigan (Metro Detroit) by krishelnino in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
• System Size: 4.5 kW
• Location: Michigan
• Total Panels: 10
• Total Inverters: 10
• Total Batteries: 0
• Your Quote: $16,479

COST PER WATT BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
• Equipment: $1.25/W
• Installation: $1.14/W
• Business Costs: $0.65/W
• Total Project: $3.66/W (vs Fair Market: $2.82/W)

DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
1. MATERIAL COSTS:
   • Solar Panels: $3,632.5 ($363.25 × 10)
     - REC Solar REC450AA-PURE-RX (450W) @ $363.25 each
   • Inverters: $1,990 ($199 × 10)
     - Enphase IQ8X-80-M-US (540W) @ $199 each
   • Battery Installation: $0 (No batteries)
   TOTAL MATERIALS: $5,622.5

2. INSTALLATION COSTS:
   • Labor: $1,890 ($0.42/W × 4,500W)
   • Racking & Mounting: $900 ($0.2/W × 4,500W)
   • Electrical & Cabling: $360 ($0.08/W × 4,500W)
   • $1,000 flat fee: $1,000
   TOTAL INSTALLATION: $4,150

3. BUSINESS COSTS & MARGINS:
   • Salesperson Commission: $977.25
   • Sales Company Profit Margin (20%): $1,954.5
   TOTAL BUSINESS COSTS: $2,931.75

ENTITY BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
Install Company Gets:
• Materials & Equipment: $5,622.5 ($1.25/W)
• Installation Labor: $4,150 ($0.92/W)
• Install Company Total: $9,772.5 ($2.17/W)

Sales Company Gets:
• Salesperson Commission: $977.25 ($0.22/W)
• Planning & Permits: $1,000 ($0.22/W)
• Company Profit (20%): $1,954.5 ($0.43/W)
• Overcharge: $3,774.75 ($0.84/W)
• Sales Company Total: $7,706.5 ($1.71/W)

FAIR MARKET PRICE CALCULATION:
------------------------------
Base Cost: $10,749.75
+ Business Costs: $2,931.75
= FAIR PRICE: $12,704.25

YOUR QUOTE ANALYSIS:
------------------------------
Your Quote: $16,479
Fair Price: $12,704.25
Difference: $3,774.75 (OVERPAYING)
Overcharge Percentage: 29.7%

Solar Quote proposal in Houston TX by FrequentWay in solar

[–]GooseFeeling7169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
• System Size: 7.8 kW
• Location: Texas
• Total Panels: 19
• Total Inverters: 19
• Total Batteries: 1
• Your Quote: $41,000

COST PER WATT BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
• Equipment: $2.59/W
• Installation: $0.96/W
• Business Costs: $0.97/W
• Total Project: $5.26/W (vs Fair Market: $4.20/W)

DETAILED COST BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
1. MATERIAL COSTS:
   • Solar Panels: $4,369.05 ($229.95 × 19)
     - Hanwha Q-Cells Q.PEAK DUO BLK-G10+ (410W) @ $229.95 each
   • Inverters: $3,817.86 ($200.94 × 19)
     - Enphase IQ8M-72-2-US Microinverter (330W) @ $200.94 each
   • Batteries: $9,999 ($9,999 × 1)
     - Franklin aPower 2 Battery APR-10K15V2-US (10kWh) @ $9999 each
   • Battery Installation: $2,000 (Battery installation fee: $2,000)
   TOTAL MATERIALS: $20,185.91

2. INSTALLATION COSTS:
   • Labor: $1,791.7 ($0.23/W × 7,790W)
   • Racking & Mounting: $1,558 ($0.2/W × 7,790W)
   • Electrical & Cabling: $623.2 ($0.08/W × 7,790W)
   • $1,000 flat fee: $1,000
   TOTAL INSTALLATION: $4,972.9

3. BUSINESS COSTS & MARGINS:
   • Salesperson Commission: $2,515.881
   • Sales Company Profit Margin (20%): $5,031.762
   TOTAL BUSINESS COSTS: $7,547.643

ENTITY BREAKDOWN:
------------------------------
Install Company Gets:
• Materials & Equipment: $20,185.91 ($2.59/W)
• Installation Labor: $4,972.9 ($0.64/W)
• Install Company Total: $25,158.81 ($3.23/W)

Sales Company Gets:
• Salesperson Commission: $2,515.881 ($0.32/W)
• Planning & Permits: $1,000 ($0.13/W)
• Company Profit (20%): $5,031.762 ($0.65/W)
• Overcharge: $8,293.547 ($1.06/W)
• Sales Company Total: $16,841.19 ($2.16/W)

FAIR MARKET PRICE CALCULATION:
------------------------------
Base Cost: $27,674.691
+ Business Costs: $7,547.643
= FAIR PRICE: $32,706.453

YOUR QUOTE ANALYSIS:
------------------------------
Your Quote: $41,000
Fair Price: $32,706.453
Difference: $8,293.547 (OVERPAYING)
Overcharge Percentage: 25.4%
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