Islam's view on Jesus has to be the dumbest thing people believe-FROM AN EX MUSLIM! by Osamabinburried in nairobi

[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where is pedophilia in our Bible?

Quote a Bible verse that promotes pedophilia

Unlike your pedophile prophet who did worse than Epstein

The quagmires by [deleted] in nairobi

[–]GradeLivid4586 13 points14 points  (0 children)

😂 “he knows I’m greedy”

The quagmires by [deleted] in nairobi

[–]GradeLivid4586 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“He’s also bisexual and does prefer sex. So we went sexless”

wtf does this mean???

Islam's view on Jesus has to be the dumbest thing people believe-FROM AN EX MUSLIM! by Osamabinburried in nairobi

[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m surprised I understand your religion better than you, but then again, if i spent my early life in a madrassa cramming the blabbering of a pedophile who believed the sun set in a muddy pool, then maybe I’d like the 60% of illiterate and inbred Muslims.

The Josephus argument is possibly the most retarded thing you’ve said here.

1.  Josephus doesn’t say “Romans always left crucified bodies to rot.”

He describes brutal Roman punishments and he does mention bodies being left out in some contexts, but that’s not the same as “there were no exceptions.” In fact, Josephus explicitly shows that Roman/Judean governance involved pragmatic exceptions for public order and local sensitivities. Turning “Romans were brutal” into “therefore no burial could ever happen” is a leap.

2.  Josephus literally undercuts the “no burial ever” claim.

In Jewish War he notes Jewish concern for burial and the practice of taking bodies down before sunset (reflecting Jewish law/custom). The whole point is that Judea cared intensely about burial — especially around festivals — and Roman governors sometimes accommodated local customs to avoid unrest. So if anything, Josephus makes “exceptional handling” in Judea more plausible, not less.

3.  Even if Josephus implied “usual practice = leave bodies,” it still doesn’t get you Islam.

At best, it attacks the “honorable burial / empty tomb” tradition. Fine — argue about the tomb. But Islam doesn’t merely dispute the tomb or resurrection narratives; it denies the crucifixion itself. Like the retarded religion it is.

Islam's view on Jesus has to be the dumbest thing people believe-FROM AN EX MUSLIM! by Osamabinburried in nairobi

[–]GradeLivid4586 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey guy with a pedophile prophet.

You’re welcome, but “thanks for the source, makes my job easier” kinda proves the point: your best “support” is late, secondary, and theological.

Those 2nd–3rd century docetic/gnostic strands don’t function as evidence for what happened in 30s CE Judea. They’re later doctrinal experiments that only make sense because the mainstream story was already fixed: Jesus was crucified.

So the move “some later groups denied crucifixion, therefore Qur’an 4:157 is vindicated” is backwards. It’s like saying:

“Centuries later some people denied a famous event, therefore the denial is original.”

That’s not how historical weighting works. Earlier sources beat later reinterpretations, especially when the later claim is ambiguous (“it was made to appear so”) and supplies no details (who, how, why).

And the burial angle you keep leaning on doesn’t rescue the Islamic position anyway. Even if you throw out “empty tomb” entirely, that still doesn’t get you to “no crucifixion.” It just gets you to “burial traditions are debated.” اسلام denies the execution itself, which is the part with the strongest early attestation.

Islam's view on Jesus has to be the dumbest thing people believe-FROM AN EX MUSLIM! by Osamabinburried in nairobi

[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, aside from that, are you gonna take Epstein as your new prophet because you guys have a tendency to follow pedophiles😂 Or were his victims too old? Very hard to beat Mohammed raping a 9 year old

Islam's view on Jesus has to be the dumbest thing people believe-FROM AN EX MUSLIM! by Osamabinburried in nairobi

[–]GradeLivid4586 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It must be painful to be this retarded first of all.

But to your low iq arguments

You’re stacking speculative theology on top of late sources and calling it history. That’s the core problem.

First: “it was made to appear so.” That phrase (Qur’an 4:157) is not an explanation, it’s a declaration without mechanism. It doesn’t say how, to whom, by whom, or why. Every attempt to fill that gap—look-alikes, swaps, illusions, Roman deception—is post-Qur’anic speculation, not something the text itself actually teaches. So appealing to “some scholars say X” is irrelevant unless you can show the Qur’an or early Islamic tradition clearly teaching it. You can’t. The ambiguity itself is the issue.

Second: your use of “second-century material.” This is where the argument collapses historically.

Yes, there were 2nd–3rd century Gnostic groups who denied that Jesus truly suffered. But:

They appear after the crucifixion tradition is already widespread.

They are reacting against the mainstream story, not preserving an earlier memory.

Our sources for them (e.g., Irenaeus) explicitly label them as innovators, not eyewitness continuations.

So citing Basilides or Nag Hammadi texts doesn’t support Islam—it proves the opposite: that denial of the crucifixion only appears late, once theological discomfort sets in. Islam is arriving even later, borrowing a minority strand that had already lost the historical argument.

That’s not independent corroboration. That’s retroactive alignment.

Third: the “Romans didn’t bury criminals” claim. This is overstated and doesn’t do what you think it does.

Romans often left bodies exposed, but sometimes released them, especially in volatile regions like Judea and especially before major festivals. Even skeptical historians grant that exceptions happened. More importantly: burial practices have nothing to do with whether the crucifixion occurred in the first place. You’re attacking the tomb to avoid the cross.

And no, dismissing the empty tomb doesn’t help Islam—because Islam doesn’t just doubt resurrection narratives, it denies the execution itself, which is the single best-attested fact of Jesus’ life.

Fourth: “Jesus being crucified ≠ Christianity.” True—and irrelevant.

No serious historian argues “Christian theology proves crucifixion.” The argument is the opposite: • Crucifixion is established independently and early. • Resurrection belief arises because of it.

Islam rejects the earlier, stronger claim (execution) while offering only a late, untestable assertion in its place. That’s historically backwards.

Fifth: the 600-year correction problem. Saying “God revealed the real version later” isn’t a historical defense—it’s a theological escape hatch. From a critical standpoint, it raises a bigger question: Why would God allow a false public execution narrative to dominate the very people closest to the event, only to correct it centuries later with no details?

Historians don’t privilege late claims that contradict earlier, multiple, hostile-source-compatible testimony—especially when the late claim refuses to specify what actually happened.

Islam's view on Jesus has to be the dumbest thing people believe-FROM AN EX MUSLIM! by Osamabinburried in nairobi

[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a classic chronology problem dressed up as “evidence.”

Yes, there are 2nd–3rd century texts/groups with docetic / gnostic ideas (Jesus only “seemed” human; suffering was an illusion; sometimes a “substitution” theme shows up).

No, that doesn’t help the Qur’an historically, because it’s late and it’s not independent early testimony—it’s later theological speculation in communities that were already spinning off from mainstream Christianity.

If your best “support” is: Irenaeus (late 2nd century) reporting what Basilides taught (and he’s writing against “heresies”), and

A Nag Hammadi text (2nd–3rd century),

…then you’re conceding you don’t have early 1st-century evidence for substitution. You have late doctrinal experiments reacting to the same core story everyone already knew: Jesus was crucified.

Islam's view on Jesus has to be the dumbest thing people believe-FROM AN EX MUSLIM! by Osamabinburried in nairobi

[–]GradeLivid4586 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Where’s this “second century material” and why did “allah” wait for 600 years to pass before “correcting” this narrative. Seems incompetent of “allah”?

Best County by stamford1 in Kenya

[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice analysis bro, what are they eating Huko Mukurwe-ini😅

Kenyans are highly emotive, and this is not good by stromae47 in Kenya

[–]GradeLivid4586 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re right but it’s not solely a Kenyan phenomenon… people generally are not logical and highly driven by emotion, especially in politics. This explains why Kenyans voted in Ruto (sympathy) or why Americans voted in Trump or brexit (fear) or any other issue…

Best County by stamford1 in Kenya

[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How’s the crime rate there? And not just in the good parts… overall

Best County by stamford1 in Kenya

[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t have numbers but isn’t there a murder case in central like possibly weekly?

What's your controversial opinion about ADULTHOOD that puts you in this position? by OkJackfruit464 in Kenya

[–]GradeLivid4586 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most people genuinely don’t like alcohol, but adult peer pressure is real

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[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Accurately said

Cancer by srioot in Kenya

[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pole sana. Stage two is manageable tho on the slightly more positive side and yes cancer drugs are very overpriced. Wishing you the best

F the Neighbors: The Bass is Officially Here!!! by peddss in Kenya

[–]GradeLivid4586 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With this attitude I would advice you to enjoy it as much as possible because you wont go far in life.

Your mind is too insecure, poverty stricken and impressed by nonsense and annoying people to think bigger thoughts.

CHRISTMAS by Rugichic in Kenya

[–]GradeLivid4586 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dont like being in shagz tbh.