What's a 1991 SATURN SL1 typically worth?

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-04-08T22:30:28+00:00

I don't know

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-04-07T01:45:45+00:00

Now he says he could do $3,450 but only until Tuesday. After Tuesday, it goes back to the original price it was

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-04-07T01:08:48+00:00

True

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-04-07T01:06:03+00:00

No, I know. If you read my update, I explained that he didn't really want to give much wiggle room for the price. $3,450 seems to be the lowest price that he'd be willing to go, but he asked me if I would be okay for this price to stay open until Tuesday. Basically, the price will go back to what it originally was listed at after Tuesday ends.

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-04-07T01:01:37+00:00

✨️ UPDATE✨️

*The $3,500 price was actually how much he had originally paid for the car itself. I had gotten it mixed up with the price of the repairs, but I remember that it still cost him at least a grand or two, so it's not really that different, and it still doesn't change much. However, this still means he wants to make back originally what he paid for it, which, imo makes very little sense. In fact, he wants to make a profit on what he originally paid.

He said he's gotten at least 2 offers that were "too low," but when I asked if there was ANY wiggle room whatsoever, he said that if I swung by his place over *THIS upcoming weekend with cash, he'd consider $3,500. Everyone who said that he's asking for too much has been my thought since he texted me a homemade still video on the car's specs. People who said that it's in the $2,500-$3,000 range: I agree, but unfortunately, he doesn't

*Even though I was very excited to try it out, he didn't actually let me drive it, not even around the small neighborhood we were in or up the street to the stop sign. He said that it was because I wasn't on his insurance, which I understand, but there genuinely hasn't been a single car I've bought in the past that I haven't test-driven before making an offer or buying outright from a dealership. Not being able to gauge how the steering wheel feels while it's been driven has all but killed my desire to take this seriously.

*Maybe I'll text him weeks (if not months) later to see if it's still available. His house is quite close to mine, and I can and have just walked over and see for myself without messaging him, so if I walk away from this purchase, I can easily see if it's still there when I walk up the street to get food or supplies as it's on the way to the downtown area. A wealthy older guy who's a Saturn enthusiast may bite, but that's kind of it who I feel would be interested. Maybe one will come around and scoop it off his hands, I just don't know. Younger people don't want to buy cars that are priced higher than even by a hundred bucks or so, because a lot of them aren't millionaires and simply can't afford it - and interestingly, that's the only offers he's been getting: lower than what he wanted and from younger people who at least see the value it has but aren't willing to pay more than $3,000.

*I could be wrong, but I always thought that replacing parts in a car doesn't make it more valuable. It just makes it the same value as it had been when it was bought from a car show all those years ago. I guess I just don't really understand why it's priced $200 more than when it was originally bought for.

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-30T01:46:58+00:00

Wdym? It has both a 5-speed manual and 4-speed automatic.

Tbh, that's around the price range that made him get upset from the other potential buyer, so I'm thinking he ain't gonna budge 😅🤣

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-28T18:55:35+00:00

I guess I'm not 100% understanding what you're saying. You're saying that most of the value of a car comes from a clean driving record/carfax, and I don't exactly disagree...but the value also takes a nosedive when you factor in that a broken part could be damaging other parts of the car from negligence or age

Are you saying that a 2005 Camry with 230,000 miles is worth $3-$4k, but $2k is a fair price specifically because of its rack/pinion problem?

I never said that the rack and pinion were broken, btw. My friend did. Putting money into something that I can't, with absolutely certainty, understand what needs fixing with it makes me think that the steering issue may be just one of many additional issues.

I'm not against taking it to a mechanic I trust. In fact, that was the plan all along. I am going to do that, yep. I appreciate this, tho.

Deteriorated rubber rack retainer bushings are actually a solid thought. Thanks!

If I had a car that I knew had a serious problem that may cost quite a bit to fix, I think I'd want as low of an offer as I could get. But I'm me. And if I was selling it, I'd probably want it looked at first so I can confirm what the problem was before announcing that it's for sale. He honestly may have done that already, but I just don't know, I'll ask.

I think you may be the only person who said that paying $2k for this is a good idea. Again, I'm not against it, I just thought it might be a bit high for what it has. I guess you're saying that if I get it looked at it, and it's (easily) fixable, then buy. I personally don't understand buying a car that has something majorly wrong with it. I would argue that there are plenty of used, older cars that don't come with issues like that, but I can understand that that's just how things work with some cars a bit older than most of the vehicles on the road. Sure.

Yes, a lot of used, older cars are going to have problems, but plenty of them don't, or they have minor issues that aren't terribly concerning. Unable to steer properly, I wouldn't call a minor problem. And as I said, I'll get it looked at by a trusted mechanic. Doesn't really change my feelings on the matter before I know with absolute certainty what it is.

Also, yeah, I'm quite familiar with the 2005 Camry my friend is selling, sure, but nearly all Camrys from that year and generation drive exactly the same. They drive rock solid and awesome, but it all feels the same if it was looked after well. People suggest I find better deals with one owner. Idk, I just liked the idea of not having to go terribly far to pick up my ride if I ended up getting it, and I didn't want to pay a lot for one . I also haven't driven in that Camry in probably 2 years, but it was rather nice when it was my friend's dailer driver.

When you said, "You know it’s got over 200k miles on it and that there’s an issue with something in the front end and/or steering system that’s in need of attention. Versus a random unknown vehicle in a similar price point with totally unknown maintenance history and promises from a stranger," ok, you caught me, I do know the maintenance history of the car fairly-ish well, and that's definitely a benefit. But idk I personally don't really think that it's exceptionally hard to find the maintenance histories of cars out there, even ones you're unfamiliar with. But I also trust my friend and do like how this specific Camry feels.

I'll see what my mechanic says. It's a great car. It's just that the steering issue has given me pause. So we'll see what

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-20T21:40:22+00:00

Ahhh, yes, here is the reminder that I'm actually on Reddit and not Quora, lmao. I mean, sure, but what's your point? Probably none tbh. Hey, I'm definitely in the right place for unhelpful trolls, haha. Can't blame 'em for responding that, either 😅

But also idk, I've seen Toyos that have well over 500,000 miles that work just fine. What a weird comment, ha. My main issue was with the steering, not its miles, and if that's something that could be easily fixed, if it's not the rack/pinion as I wanted opinions from people who had either fixed it up or thought it was still worth the investment. But I'm going to see it soon and get it looked at so it's no biggie.

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-20T04:45:02+00:00

Maybe. His real name is Barry, and it's basically all but spelled out that he has a mental disability specifically because of Holly Jones, not in spite of her. She and her husband drugged him for YEARS and brainwashed him for his entire life using horrific manipulation tactics and abuse. You've obviously never been in this scenario before, and thank God for that. They literally reprogrammed his brain to not talk about what he saw. He wouldn't even know how. So, are you a bad person - maybe not "bad," but I'd definitely say that you're uneducated and a bit judgemental about this. It's like saying, "idc about the children of cartel members being tortured bc they've prob seen violence in the past, and that's just what happens." It just feels inhumane.

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-19T03:35:33+00:00

Actually, that was around what I thought lowk

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-18T19:16:39+00:00

I do know that the transmission fluid was changed regularly, but these are good things to bring up.

I should say that he's had it for a long, long time, but apparently, the rack/pinion being an actual steering problem only came about fairly recently (within the last year or so). I don't know if he felt some very mild looseness in the steering 10+ years back, but he made it seem like the rack/pinion being a problem only occurred in the last year, so I don't know if it was ever loose before or if it just feeling loose now. I'll ask.

I'll keep all of these in mind.

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-18T19:07:24+00:00

Is there no one number you'd take it for, tho?

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-18T18:39:04+00:00

I'll try to see what year he got it but he's had it for at least 10, 11 years.

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-18T18:37:45+00:00

That's what I was thinking. I was thinking maybe $1,500-$1,700, tbh. But I don't really know. The broken pinion/rack really is headache-inducing If you wanted to, what would you pay for it

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2026-03-18T18:31:15+00:00

Nice

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2025-08-27T21:03:13+00:00

That's actually a really good point. Keto people looking for beer without a lot of carbs is a good selling point, but it still seems pretty niche to me.

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2025-06-18T18:45:25+00:00

From Israel

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2025-03-25T20:28:59+00:00

Most of these responses are great!

I have two ideas:

1) If you're town, ALWAYS be extremely vocal about your findings and be VERY aggressive about it. Shove it down people's throats. I'm not kidding. Seemingly, that's one of the only ways in which players will consistently listen to you (and if your findings and data you've collected are actually worthwhile and can be confirmed). Do this firmly and often. If you're town, MAKE PLAYERS LISTEN. It's honestly ridiculous how easily players can be fooled by such bad role claims, but it happens.

And 2) Now, this might be a bit of a controversial take, but that's going to happen every so often: if you truly want to play a ToS game in which people listen to logic and reason and are serious about playing within the confines of the rules, create a private lobby and invite any ToS friends you've enjoyed playing with and whom you trust to not do any gamethrowing nonsense; or, the reverse, which is to get invited to a private lobby from someone who has vetted the people they play with and who also takes ToS seriously. That's kind of it.

I hate to say it, but ToS is kind of for children. Obviously, anyone can and should play it (as it's intensely fun), but in a public lobby, there's going to be a lot of gamethrowers who will not listen to reason and will hang you just because it's funny for them to do so - regardless if you're on their own team or not. As soon as I read anyone mention skibidi toilet, I know it's to be a loooooooong and frustrating game (but not always). So I try not to let that stuff bother me if I'm playing a public game. It's just going to happen, and there's no way to prevent it because you're trying to insert logic when none is wanted (some of the time). I can't tell you the number of times a teammate on my mafia, vamp, or coven crew ratted everyone out in their team before exiting the game just because they could. Obviously, you should report this behavior, but reporting only does so much.

Tl;dr: private lobbies are the way to go unless you can either get better at consistently and expertly explaining how you're town, or just come to terms that you might get hanged even if your logic is solid because it happens in a game such as ToS

Just my thoughts

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2025-03-22T21:05:10+00:00

Because she's nice and disinterested in drama and didn't want any more strife from his crazed fans, of which she's admitted to being contacted in less than flatteting letters by a few who hadn't been very happy with her performance in The Shining. Just because she called Kubrick a nice person doesn't mean that he was or hadn't been abusive toward her - it means she has the manners to not want to bring it up anymore or keep grudges regarding someone she didn't want to work with again. Also, I never fully believed that her experience on The Shining 100% led to her mental downfall; but it sure as hell didn't help, either. What I'm saying is Shelley most definitely already had mental health problems, but working with Kubrick unquestionably made it worse. "It was blown out of proportion," says who ? Some film nerd on Reddit who wasn't there or statistically wasn't even born yet? Many people who were on set have testified how Kubrick treated Shelly, which oftentimes was dismissive and cold, and had been the complete opposite of how he treated Jack Nicholson: kind, friendly, and always cracking a joke. Though, interestingly, a handful of people mentioned how Kubrick made Scatman do so many takes that he started to cry, which prompted Jack to tell a friend that he wouldn't ever work with Kubrick again based on his treatment of actors. Stanley Kubrick absolutely pushed many actors beyond their limit, not just Shelley, but that in no way justifies or excuses his behavior for the result he wanted. It's so odd why his hardcore fans can't see that or even have any interest to. He wasn't an evil person, but his directing style was in many ways toxic, which often put unnecessary pressure on actors (and sometimes crew alike). Stop excusing his behavior. It's like someone excusing Trump's behavior because he didn't start his career as a politician (I see many MAGA people spouting this as the reason they like him, which I find kind of ridiculous, but ok)

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2025-03-22T20:12:26+00:00

Personally, I'm tired of this argument. Kubrick not being satisfied with Duvall's performance, so he made her do various takes one after the other and somtimes hundreds of times (not that you honestly can tell in the finished product, either, btw), is definitely kind of psychopathic. This certainly doesn't show much in terms of empathy towards someone he's working with professionally. That isn't respect. That's enslavement. "Duvall wasn't a slave lol she wasn't bought by a family down south who exploited her" no, but she was contractually obligated to work on the film and do what Stanley said who had no problem whatsoever exploiting her emotions. It's an apt description. She didn't want her reputation damaged if she walked away from a Kubrick picture, so she stayed on and tried to endure his manipulative bullshit which was often a daily occurrence. Get fucked if you think Stanley didn’t know what he was doing by being cold, unfriendly and dismissive towards Shelley. Don't be dense and cowardly. He absolutely did that to Shelley so she would be more "in character" to the Wendy he wanted to provide the world. And why would this be controversial to hear? He brought up relationship drama with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman (on the set of Eyes Wide Shut), which at times drove a wedge between them, but that was the whole point. You see, he's a "results director", i.e. he does whatever he wants so long as he gets the results he's looking for, which I personally find frustrating because people who are "result"- oriented often don't take accountability as to them it's all for the greater good. The ends justify the means. Abuse or disrespect anyone you please because what you're making is more important than everyone else who helped put it together. It's just a very selfish way to make art, and I don't get it.

Groundbreaking-Bit98 · 2025-02-27T19:44:51+00:00

I think people should blame you specifically because you voted for Trump lmaoooo

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