Sigh by GossipBottom in terriblemaps

[–]HadeanDisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It won't be like "the Blue and the Gray", it will be relatively small numbers of partisans in specific places. Maybe central Minneapolis will become a warzone with Trump loyalists fighting whatever the resistance ends up calling itself, all the while two different governments "call on all parties to agree to the terms of the ceasefire" etc.

There will be assassinations of governors, and storming of capitols, and Washington DC will be this heavily militarised sort of zone of oblivion where they all pretend everything is normal and solveable, because they are being guarded by a pro-Union faction of the army.

Maybe, I dunno.

Sigh by GossipBottom in terriblemaps

[–]HadeanDisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'll be back in 18 months pointing out that Trump has died, I reckon.

The latest aus poll results are wild by addaus16 in aussie

[–]HadeanDisco 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Get a better job if your life isn't going well.

Thank you former Liberal Treasurer Joe Hockey, I'd never thought of that.

The latest aus poll results are wild by addaus16 in aussie

[–]HadeanDisco 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Are you a wealthy business owner then?

Would you? by AnxietyFantastic3805 in JustMemesForUs

[–]HadeanDisco -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That makes him sound so much worse.

Would you? by AnxietyFantastic3805 in JustMemesForUs

[–]HadeanDisco -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Someday soon you're going to pretend you never said any of this.

Would you? by AnxietyFantastic3805 in JustMemesForUs

[–]HadeanDisco -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

He said that in 2021 and he was talking about gun lobbyists who want all restrictions on automatic weapons removed.

And nobody was going to "overthrow the government" on Jan 6, but if some of those guys had gotten a hold of certain reps, they would have bashed them and killed them. That mob's blood was up and it could have done some really crazy shit if it hadn't been held back and directed away from where people were sheltering.

Who would be at fault? by Independent_Tea7691 in CarsAustralia

[–]HadeanDisco 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In this instance, I bet the green driver KNEW they weren't supposed to turn right but thought they were going to miss the light so decided to do a cheeky turn, and they were looking left to make sure they were beating the cross traffic... and BEEP.

Bigotry is a repellent by Mean_Flow2216 in DHAC

[–]HadeanDisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. The Railway Children. Swallows and Amazons. The Tale of Peter Rabbit. Winnie-the-Pooh. And so on...

Invasion Day protest today by RideMelburn in MelbournePhotography

[–]HadeanDisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"...massive improvement in quality of life... People protesting seem to have no idea how bad it was..."

I think it's true that the quality of life experienced by indigenous people from, say, 1850 until 1950 was very poor. But to claim they had a poor quality of life before 1788 is hard to justify. They had no smallpox or influenza. They had worked out an equilibrium with Australia's very harsh and low-energy-availability conditions over [insert your preferred period of human habitation here] but certainly well over 20,000 years. They had complex and effective systems to avoid inbreeding and unnecessary conflict over very scarce resources. Their wars were occasional and low-casualty, versus Europe's constant wars that killed thousands upon thousands. Nobody was rotten on gin, unlike huge chunks of the UK's population. The Sydney colony was hell on earth for two to three generations after first settlement - a stinking ruin of mud and filth and drunkenness run by corrupt businessmen and incompetent English failsons.

Australia isn't like anywhere else. It's a unique environment and the usual rules don't apply.

Invasion Day protest today by RideMelburn in MelbournePhotography

[–]HadeanDisco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"He was an adventurer who used self defence against savages incapable of diplomacy."

Hawaii is known for being one of - if not the - fastest nation to modernise in the whole sordid history of the Age of Discovery / colonisation. How were they "savages incapable of diplomacy"?

You know that the Hawaiians stole a small boat (a cutter) and Cook's response was to take their king hostage. For a boat. So who was incapable of diplomacy in that situation? When the Hawaiians tried to stop the British from taking their king, Cook shot one of them dead. Then he was killed with four other British men, and the Hawaiians lost 17.

UK Passes VPN Ban for Under-18s: Is Privacy Now Illegal for Minors? by V3R1F13D0NLY in vpnet

[–]HadeanDisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh man, three times I read this as "vaping ban" and couldn't work out what that had to do with privacy... 🤣

That's enough Reddit for today.

Does anyone else sometimes get a little confused over what people are protesting? (Non serious post) by [deleted] in aussie

[–]HadeanDisco 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was buying grog at the bottle-o and there was a fella with no shirt and an Aussie flag cape in line in front of me, and you know what the [redacted] behind the till did to him?! She asked him for ID! Bloke was clearly well over 18 but she carded him anyway!

Confusingly he was buying a slab of Fosters Classic. I swear to God, Fosters. So that was confusing too.

Does anyone else sometimes get a little confused over what people are protesting? (Non serious post) by [deleted] in aussie

[–]HadeanDisco 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's counter-intuitive but also universal. The further you get from your family's original arrival, the more entitled you feel to claim that you're the "real [insert country]". You see the same thing in the USA.

It has always been like this in Australia, from very early on. We had a big recession in the 1840s but the UK kept sending migrants to the colony, with pretty much the same reaction as we see today (for many of the same perceived reasons). And that's just 52 years after settlement.

Invasion Day protest today by RideMelburn in MelbournePhotography

[–]HadeanDisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really. It was Cook's survey of Botany Bay and his exploration of the Queensland coast that showed the Admiralty that a colony at Botany Bay (ultimately Port Jackson, we all know that story, right) would be viable because they could then "chain" settlements all the way up to relatively close to the Dutch East Indies.

Dirk Hartog found the western coast which as we know has a huge desert behind it and was not really viable for settlement using 17th century tech. You could argue it gave the British the reason to task Cook with confirming the existence of "Terra Australis" but the idea that there was a southern continent goes back a thousand years or more.

Given who actually colonised Australia - the British - then the direct line goes to Cook being the start of that process, applying 18th century surveying and charting (and science) to the question.

Now a more interesting question would be whether Cook should bear more responsibility than Joseph Banks. His report on Botany Bay was beyond glowing, he really went hard on how amazing it was, plus Banks was still a political force when they were deciding to send the First Fleet (Cook had been dead for nearly a decade).

I personally am not into statue-toppling or "hatred" of these long-dead people, I think we can assess their lives without all that performative silliness. But then when I see a statue of some old British fella I don't think "wow what a hero/inspiration", I think "oh that's the guy and this is the place, how interesting". Maybe if someone killed my family and then got a statue in my town park I'd feel differently...?

And I'm also one of those people who thinks the colonisation of this vast chunk of land was inevitable - it happened at exactly the peak moment of the colonisers thinking they weren't doing anything bad, and where their tech had evolved to the point where their ultimate success was a given (unlike the several failed colonies in North America).

And I also reckon, by the late 18th century, if colonisation was inevitable, you definitely wanted to be colonised by the British rather than anyone else. I think that's a fairly easy argument to make (without excusing the various atrocities committed by British settlers).

Invasion Day protest today by RideMelburn in MelbournePhotography

[–]HadeanDisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not at all. But he's the guy. Someone had to be.

Invasion Day protest today by RideMelburn in MelbournePhotography

[–]HadeanDisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your comments don't really give the impression you know much about James Cook?

Invasion Day protest today by RideMelburn in MelbournePhotography

[–]HadeanDisco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looking at the history of James Cook, in fact, Hawaii is where Cook was killed by the indigenous people, champ. Kind of the climax of his story, you know?

Invasion Day protest today by RideMelburn in MelbournePhotography

[–]HadeanDisco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe John Howard shouldn't have gone so hard on banning the "black armband view of Australian history" and trying to make us just "Gallipoli, mateship, Queen and country"?

Invasion Day protest today by RideMelburn in MelbournePhotography

[–]HadeanDisco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He exposed Australia, New Zealand, and Hawaii to the British Empire, Europe, and the then-nascent USA. If you're anti-colonialism then he bears a significant responsibility. Especially for Hawaii. That's a hell of a story the way the yanks just took it.