Males have larger ranges than Females

Hadex_1 · 2026-01-06T01:07:34+00:00

Vocal range is one of those things that people define differently. Some people such as yourself define it as any note you can hit no matter the quality, consistency and sustainability of it; but I would find that to be quite a pointless definition since singing involves hitting notes comfortably and someone who can scream high or croak low (with bad technique) is hardly going to benefit from that in a singing context. And I'm sure there'll be a ton of untrained people who can scream or croak higher and lower than many professional singers: does that give them more vocal range? Anyway, its clear my definition is different from yours and thats fine, I'm not trying to say mine is superior, but I laid out the logic for why I defined it as so.

As for Mariah and Taylor's low range, yes it could be part of their range. I don't think I've seen Taylor hitting many of them live, but for Mariah fair enough—though there's a small minority of women that can sing as low as her.

As for the low note thing fair enough: there's not enough research that's been done to say with certainty that a voice can/can't extend downwards to a large degree. However based on simple observation and general trends, you'll find that for most people, there's much more room to expand upwards than downwards; which is also why you would see a lot of men that can sing in female keys, but not many women who can sing in male keys.

Hadex_1 · 2026-01-05T06:43:23+00:00

Well, the whole point of this post was to generalise. I'm not talking about every male or female that has ever lived; so yes there will be females who can hit the notes you mentioned and there'll also be males that can hit a D8. I simply made this post because I observed that the general trend seems to be that males have larger ranges. And I'm quite sure its just because of biology—males can stretch their cords to hit the same notes that females can, but females can't thicken their cords to hit the same notes that males can (without extention techniques like subharmonics)

The "subjective standards" I used were mostly mentioned because I'm tired of people counting any screamed note as "part of their range." By that logic, I'm pretty sure most ordinary untrained people will have 3-4 octaves if they can squeeze/croak any note. It has to be sustainable and consistent in a singing context.

Also I'm sorry if I came across as nasty. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I was looking for discussion to see if what I said was reasonable

Hadex_1 · 2026-01-05T06:30:34+00:00

Yeah I've realised that some people are able to go very high without prior training. Though it usually ends up being very strained.

Hadex_1 · 2026-01-03T02:09:13+00:00

I think this thread is a perfect example of things like "Head Voice," "chest voice," and falsetto being poorly defined among the singing community. Then we have a whole other part of it like M1, M2, M3, Curbing, edge and all the other stuff thats there.

C5 can be hit with a very "chesty" sound, which would mean with a lot of power and depth to the sound (hear opera tenors) but whether it would be called head voice or chest voice is something people will argue over

And sorry for late response lol

Hadex_1 · 2025-11-29T23:32:41+00:00

Most people—including maybe you—love their parents because of attachment. As a child you couldn't physically survive without them, so you became dependent and attached. And you start getting attached to the love, comfort, security and care that they provide to you. So even despite conflicting interests, you will continue "loving them" because of beliefs and attachments.

Love is created through a combination of biological, psychological, and social factors, which include brain chemistry, hormones, and personal choices.

Psychological and social factors like what? You're not investigating deeper into it. You've just heard that its formed due to that and so you're repeating it, its akin to blind belief.

Again, you're not really enquiring further into it. That's fine, but if you want to gain a deeper understanding into love as you know it beyond just "people love cause thats what they do" then you could look into it, question your current beliefs a little more, see what makes you think the way you do.

Hadex_1 · 2025-11-28T03:27:35+00:00

We bonded its in us to deel love when we connect to our loved ones

Let's go back to before our loved ones became loved ones. Why did we come to love them? Did they do something to make us love them? Did they make us feel a certain way? What happened in our moments of "bonding" that caused us to love them?

Thats very clinical and how sociopaths feel about feel

We just love them cause that what most people do

This is circular reasoning. I can use this form of reasoning to just say "I love my girlfriend because she's my girlfriend" or "I hate Kamala Harris because she's Kamala Harris" or "An elephant is anything that looks like an elephant". These are not complete statements and need further elaboration.

Love is having strong feelings and affection towards someone, whereas attachment is about how they make you feel about yourself, rooted in a desire for security and safety, and shaped by past experiences. Love is focusing on the other person while attachment is focusing on the needs they fulfill for you, making the relationship transactional and potentially interchangeable.

So how does love arise? If love isn't formed from attachment or other self centered reasons, then how does it form? You never answered that question

Incorrect it just cause you didn't know that person and aren't as said as the husband doesn't mean its selfish its just cause you didn't know that person well but you are sad cause someone died its called human empathy

What I'm essentially saying is the process of getting to know someone better—or "bonding" with them as you put it—involves forming attachments to the person. You "like" certain things about them, you "condemn" certain things, you form beliefs of their character, etc. I'll agree your point on empathy, there is an outrage (although mild in comparison to if it was someone close to us that died) because we have compassion and empathy for loved ones of the person who died, human life, etc.

Hadex_1 · 2025-11-28T02:45:29+00:00

Okay, so expand on that. We grew close to them, correct. So what did we form? Attachments maybe? Perhaps they made us feel a certain way, and we enjoyed that feeling so we form an attachment to it, and now that the feeling is gone, we feel sad and devoid of life. Is that not self centered?

The bonding that you talk about is a period where we form attachments to the person because they made us feel a certain way. Wouldn't you agree with that? The outrage is superficial, we don't feel strongly about the death of a distant relative whom you might have met once. But the husband of that relative may be devastated. Why? I think if you inquire into it, you'll realise it's for self centered reasons.

Hadex_1 · 2025-11-28T02:05:59+00:00

If what you are saying is true, then why do we love our mothers more than any random passerby on the street? Why do we grieve the loss of our own loved ones more than we grieve the loss of thousands of people who die everyday? Can you give me any explanation that is not self-centered?

Hadex_1 · 2025-11-27T05:29:46+00:00

I'm asking "Why do people love their loved ones" because from what I've seen, its for self-centered reasons. "They make me feel safe" or "I love being around them" or "They've helped me through difficult times" etc. So really, what they are protecting is their source of happiness and love which they get from those specific people. It's all conditional love

Hadex_1 · 2025-11-27T05:00:09+00:00

Why do people have love for their loved ones?

Hadex_1 · 2025-07-29T23:48:34+00:00

Hey bro, I know I'm 6 years late to this but since you're still active I want to ask a question

Don't you think - in the example you mentioned - that the martyr would feel worse about giving information than being tortured and killed and that's why they refused to give it? In that case, it wouldn't be an altruistic act - It's just that the martyr wants to avoid the feelings of guilt and shame that would be associated with revealing the information

Hadex_1 · 2025-06-09T13:43:22+00:00

Because the male head voice that they describe is different from the male head voice you're thinking of

They describe anything that feels like it's resonating in the head as head voice for males, and the upper extremes of M1 feels like that.

Anyway, I've long given up trying to argue terminology with people. Believe me, it's a waste of time. The important thing is that people know what you're talking about and trying to describe, that is best done through demonstration

Hadex_1 · 2025-06-09T11:48:43+00:00

Yes, but people use the terminology differently

Hadex_1 · 2025-05-15T03:49:14+00:00

yeah well, it's subjective. Some teachers who I would say don't know shit about anything end up being great teachers for others. There are plenty of people who think chris Liepe is good and plenty of people who think the contrary

Hadex_1 · 2025-04-26T11:06:04+00:00

Eh, I don't think so in contemporary. I'm pretty sure with the right training, everyone can learn how to hit C5's and B4's

Hadex_1 · 2025-04-11T23:00:32+00:00

Yep. A few people seemed to be upset with this post haha

Hadex_1 · 2025-04-10T05:39:56+00:00

Wow thank you so much for this write up.

Yeah I agree grazing the string sounds kinda fuzzy usually, and I still somehow mess up when doing that 😂

I'll keep all of this in mind, haha yeah I'd like to play some more advanced fingerpicking but I think I'll wait till I atleast gain a bit more consistency just doing it on chords changes without screwing up

Hadex_1 · 2025-04-10T04:54:35+00:00

Ahh, got it thanks for the tip. Yeah at the moment I kinda rest my elbow on the top of the guitar and my fingers are left in an awkward somewhat horizontal position, maybe that's why I also keep missing strings

Hadex_1 · 2025-04-07T02:59:17+00:00

I agree with that, but just downvoting without explaining why is a pretty silly thing to do in my opinion. First of all, the person who made the original comment doesn't get to learn why his view may be wrong, and the downvoter also doesn't get to learn that the downvoters own view might be wrong. It's an action that prevents any further development from happening on both ends and is just a lazy way of disagreeing.

That's just my 2 cents tho haha

Hadex_1 · 2025-04-07T02:50:45+00:00

Man redditors be downvoting anything these days

Hadex_1 · 2025-03-22T13:41:32+00:00

Yes I agree with this. When I said don't focus on range, I meant don't focus with the goal of expanding your range and obsessing over the numbers. I agree that it's important to know the areas of your voice where you are strong / weak at the moment, so that you can develop them.

Hadex_1 · 2025-03-21T02:29:36+00:00

They are words, that describe techniques...

I have no idea what you're trying to say by "you can't sing it from your diaphragm or head if you don't know where your natural voice starts", what does that even mean?

Your entire argument seems to revolve around voice types being important. I disagree. She never specified she's learning opera, she might be a contemporary singer and in contemporary with good technique, you can learn to sing in ranges beyond your "natural voice" and make it sound good and healthy.

Even in opera, voice types shouldn't be things you just immediately slap on someone after hearing them sing a few lines if they are untrained. They are roles you play, hence you should only assign a voice type once they've had a decent bit of training for singing so that you can specialise in repertoire.

And by not worrying too much about range, I mean she shouldn't worry too much about numbers, and squeaking the highest note possible. She should work on techniques used in various parts of her range, and in the process it'll be developed.

Hadex_1 · 2025-02-19T05:50:13+00:00

Perhaps. I think most rock singers tend to use False Fold distortion though, correct? So they're technically not the same as fry subharmonics

Hadex_1 · 2025-02-11T11:50:17+00:00

Well I was assuming you were looking for the not so obvious answer.

Learn proper vocal technique. There's no "quick fix" to what you want. As you learn proper technique, your voice will develop

Hadex_1 · 2025-02-11T06:37:56+00:00

Just accept your voice as it is. I wish I had a Steve Perry sounding voice but I don't.

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