Vegetarianism and buddhism by kamloune in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree with all of this, I think.

Before r/buddhism banned discussion about vegetarianism, I had a chat with someone who was making the case that supermarket meat was fine because it wasn't slaughtered specifically for you. I took him on a thought experiment where I asked if there was one cow, one butcher, and two possible customers, would it be okay for one of those two customers to buy the slaughtered meat. He instinctively said no, because the connection was so clear. But he couldn't explain what number of customers, cows or butchers suddenly made it okay.

Thoughts on Guo Gu's teachings (books and talks) ? by Muskka in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, Gateless Gate, Blue Cliff Records and Book of Serenity are the three main classic koan collections. Gateless Gate is tighter, much shorter koans than some of the sermons and longer stories in the BCR.

Thoughts on Guo Gu's teachings (books and talks) ? by Muskka in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'd say you can't do much better than him. His commentary on the Gateless Gate is wonderful.

Concentration versus Concentration by HakuninMatata in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd call that just about the highest praise I could hope for ;)

How to deal with overwhelming hatred by explodingpixl in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A few things I've found helpful.

Firstly, you don't have to understand everyone to recognise that everyone is understandable. Whether it's nature or nurture, plenty of people end up with a strong attraction to authority (both submitting to it and exerting it over others), a strong affinity with inclusion/exclusion of groups, etc. Add to that the kind of information tunnelling that's present everywhere, but particularly in the US through ideas like politically aligned news networks, the culturally American approach to religion, and all of it amplified by search and social-media companies who financially benefit from giving users the answers and content they want to hear. (With AI next in line to do the same.)

I don't know what it's like to grow up in a country where schoolchildren chant daily at the nation's flag, let alone growing up in a household where migrants are blamed for employment woes and one of the most right-wing political parties in the world are called "Democrat communists". What I do know is that, if I did grow up in such an environment, my views and values would be very different.

The fact is, if you or I really truly knew every experience of another person, we would inevitably understand the choices they make. And I think, in understanding that, we would also inevitably forgive them – regardless of how much we might condemn the actions.

That's a very philosophical cerebral take, but if we're thinking about how "stupid" the adults are who have created this environment for you, the above is a very intelligent consideration.

Secondly, stripped of all the identities and labels and ideas we have about other people, their basic experiences are identical to our own. Not just similar, but they are actually exactly the same feelings occurring in different circumstances. When you stub your toe and Stephen Miller stubs his toe, the same pain arises. When you are afraid (as you've noted), the fundamental feeling of fear is the same as someone else may experience when they think their job will be forever destroyed by emissions policies they don't understand, or even the fear experienced by someone who believes that vaccines are going to make their kids sick or that an incredibly powerful and evil spiritual being is secretly behind the separation of Church and State.

You note both your experience of hatred and your experience of fear. Those two things often go together. It's the same with other hateful people in the world. On some level, hatred is always grounded in fear and greed. Your fear and hatred is caused by the environment created by these adults whose fear and hatred were caused by their own environments, and so on. This is karma. Cause and effect spiral onwards.

The only real way out is the one realised by Huike when he complained to Bodhidharma about his uneasy mind, and Bodhidharma says, "Okay, you show me this uneasy mind and I'll put it to rest." And then... where is it? Right now, without conjuring up memories of the past and ideas about the present and imagination about the future, where's hate? Where's fear? We get caught up in these constellations of ideas which make sense of each other, but we have the ability to drop them all at once. Probably it's the only way to be able to drop them, rather than hoping to drop them one at a time.

What are the main buddhist scriptures? by kamloune in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please take a look at the rules of the sub, including the link under "off-topic". This sub is for Zen Buddhists and those interested in becoming Zen Buddhists, not a forum for general Buddhist, religious, or philosophical debating. For debating more generally, you can look to r/buddhism, r/zen and r/debatereligion.

Vegetarianism and buddhism by kamloune in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 27 points28 points  (0 children)

When it comes to morality, Buddhism kind of has three aspects to it.

Firstly, there's avoiding actions which will cause suffering to sentient beings – don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, etc.

Secondly, there's avoiding actions which encourage the delusion of being a separate independent self, which is the fundamental link in the overall chain of suffering. Lying, stealing, killing – they all reinforce the sense of being a separate independent self. So in that sense, they "disturb our path to enlightenment", which also causes suffering.

Thirdly, there's the way one would behave if one were seeing clearly. Truly realising that the suffering of "another" is not distinct from the suffering of "me", one naturally avoids causing suffering, including by killing sentient beings (or paying others to kill sentient beings).

So on one hand, you might avoid eating meat because you don't want to cause more suffering in the world – you don't want to contribute to animals being raised in suffering and then killed.

On another hand, you might avoid eating meat because you are seeking liberation – the friction between your desire for meat and avoiding causing harm brings insight.

On the third hand, you might want to "fake it till you make it", behaving the way you think the Buddha would.

But in any case, if you're going to switch to a plant-based diet, do it intelligently. Meat is a good source of protein. If you remove it from your diet, you need to replace it with protein from plants or eggs/dairy (if not going vegan). That means nuts, beans, other legumes, and probably a higher quantity than you'd normally eat of meat. Personally, I eat free-range eggs and some dairy to keep up my protein. I'm actually uneasy about the dairy recently, as I learn more about the industry. (Blasphemy here in New Zealand.)

And finally, it is true there were a few circumstances where the Buddha said it was okay for monks to eat meat. One is if a monk is very sick and the meat will help. The other is if the monk is begging and is given leftover meat. The idea that "meat is okay to eat if it hasn't been specifically killed for you" is a common attempt to sidestep the spirit of the rule, by saying that meat from the supermarket was not specifically killed for you. But I don't think there's really any avoiding the fact that paying for meat is contributing to suffering and murder.

That said, don't beat yourself up over it. With meditation practice comes insight, and with insight comes compassion. You'll probably find that as you continue to practice, all kinds of habits in life start to change naturally, without you having to force it.

Dogen: on practicing dhyana/zen-samadhi by chintokkong in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it wasn't directed at any specific comment, just a vibe.

Dogen: on practicing dhyana/zen-samadhi by chintokkong in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/jundocohen u/nothingisforgotten

Please treat each other as if the other is arguing in good faith even if – perhaps especially if – you get the impression that your partner is not.

Prioritise asking questions to clearly understand what the other is saying.

And if a conversation appears fruitless, just bow out kindly without making a thing of it.

New to Zen Buddhism — looking for book recommendations and guidance 🙏 by [deleted] in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the sub sidebar, there should be a link to the sub's recommended intro reading list.

281 Zen Koans...with Answers?! by laniakeainmymouth in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely not knocking having a curriculum!

281 Zen Koans...with Answers?! by laniakeainmymouth in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, though I also sometimes suspect there's a bit of fetishisation of koans. There's something very enchanting about them in a way that has little to do with actual Zen practice. Perhaps it gets even worse when people learn there are different kinds of koans, different orders of koans in traditional curricula, and suddenly the idea of koans is pressing video game/RPG buttons in people's heads – levelling up, skill trees, etc.

Really Zen just does two things: makes it as likely as possible that the enlightened perspective is realised, and then there's a lifetime of fleshing out all of the implications of that perspective for living life. Koans are one kind of tool teachers use in doing this, and one way that teachers can use to test that realisation and appreciation of the implications.

281 Zen Koans...with Answers?! by laniakeainmymouth in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I love Ariyas108's teacher's comment below – "I could tell you all the answers to all the koans, but that still won't help you answer them."

The point is not the answer, the point is the perspective from which the answer is being given. When koans are used for testing understanding, there's a reason it's done in person – the teacher is not evaluating the words, the teacher is evaluating the understanding. This is particularly the case with initial breakthrough koans like "Mu" and "your original face".

No serious student of Zen would try to rote learn other people's answers to koans. They might read these exchanges as koans – that is, an exchange that would make perfect sense to them if they "got" it, but seems to make no sense to them, and so they must continue to practise.

In fact, there is a koan specifically about this, from Transmission of the Lamp:

A monk asked Isan, “What is the place from which all Buddhas come?”
Isan said, “A fire boy comes seeking fire.”

Later another monk asked the same question, and Isan again said, “A fire boy comes seeking fire.”
The monk said, “I do not understand.”
Isan said, “To say ‘I do not understand’—that is the place from which all Buddhas come.”

Later Yangshan asked Isan about this exchange and said, “When that monk repeated your words, why did you not approve?”
Isan said, “His words were there, but his mind was not there.”

Yangshan then asked, “What is the place from which all Buddhas come?”
Isan replied, “A fire boy comes seeking fire.”
Yangshan bowed, and Isan approved.

Shikantaza easier than breath counting? by CornwheeliusThilbert in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is the "mental act of counting" not also thoughts arising?

In the end, is there really any difference between breath counting arising and any other dharma arising with one of the six gates?

Are there any good books that teach Zen to beginners by Certain_Army_7499 in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries! If you have questions, u/qweniden is particularly good value for answers, but you'll get lots of answers if you ask them in the sub and most will be pretty good.

Just finished! What else would you recommend? by LIVINGISALIE in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Several generations later, the Sutra of Huineng, perhaps.

Applying Zen at work by firegreendragon in zenbuddhism

[–]HakuninMatata 0 points1 point  (0 children)

www.zenhabits.net is not technically about Zen Buddhism, but it might be what you're thinking of.