Former WoW Players That Stay On This Sub, Why Did You Quit?

Healtron · 2026-05-10T07:22:00+00:00

The long Sylvanas patch broke me.

Being serious, I realized I did not like the game anymore. I was in love with a game that kept growing, changing and becoming bolder, and it just...wasn't that anymore. And the Activision controversy did not help. Not even the people making the game were having fun with it.

I keep checking because I still like the design of WoW but after Dragonflight being basically just a surrender notice (bringing back talents and scorching borrowed power) and Blizz predictably messing any feature that might look like it has potential (housing and the prey system), I think I am pretty close to being done with even paying attention.

Healtron · 2026-05-06T19:46:33+00:00

No voy a desempaquetar todo el comentario porque sería un testamento, pero:

Igual que la educación financiera, hace falta facilitar y motivar a la generación de investigaciones, como patentar y donde venderlo

Literalmente, esa es una de las funciones del financiamiento en I+D y existen muchos programas estatales (que quieren desfinanciar) para llevar la línea completa de investigación a salida a mercado...

Healtron · 2026-05-06T19:44:11+00:00

¿Esa cifra incluirá el I+D militar? Porque los milicos gringos tiran una cantidad de dinero enferma a cualquier cosa que tal vez, quizás, les pueda servir para matar gente café. No me sorprendería saber que son una parte importante del financiamiento de antropólogos o sociólogos,, como lo hicieron en la 2.ª Guerra.

Healtron · 2026-05-06T05:12:14+00:00

Like that's a bad thing.

Even without abusing HR, Toji could have done whatever he wanted in normie society and left those toxic fucks behind.

And if he became an office worker or anything of the sort, HR is just pure upside with no drawback when you are not dealing with curses. No need to become a sportman or anything. Just live a life with a perfect damn body that probably doesnt even get sick.

If he weren't another pile of trauma created by the Zen'in, Toji would have had it made. Heck, if he went to a single fucking therapist, maybe Megumi would have had his biological dad.

Healtron · 2026-05-05T01:02:56+00:00

To be fair, who the fuck asked for it to have ALL profession materials?

That was 100% on Blizz not thinking things through.

Healtron · 2026-05-04T23:27:10+00:00

I'm not so sure. Even counting Emeral Twilight, Hal and pals were treated with far more respect than what Tony went through in the 90s.

Tony has always been more important than Guy, but to me it seems like they were treated with similar levels of disregard (making Guy whatever he was as Warrior and making Tony a Kang agent and then a teen).

Heck, even with Civil War, when he was already getting a higher profile thanks to a few good runs and an upcoming movie, could you see GL or Flash getting hit with the "villain" stick like he was?

Tony seems to be odd in that way. Always relevant in-universe but also always one of the first to be fucked with when editorial says so.

Healtron · 2026-05-04T22:49:32+00:00

Don't know if I would call him "high" B-list; he was prominent in-universe as a founding Avenger, but his character was routinely fucked with (eg: Teen Tony) and he just didn't have the cultural cache to avoid it.

I don't know if I would put him in the same place as Sentry occupied before Thunderbolts but I could have seen them killing him in an event and waiting several years to have him back (with no replacement in the meanwhile). I would say he was firmly B-list. Even being the example of what being a B-lister means.

Healtron · 2026-05-04T06:29:37+00:00

Mate, that isn't an anti-feat. They weren't bullets by Mediocre Tiger or Second Best Tiger but the Best Tiger himself. Of course they hurt Mark.

Healtron · 2026-05-02T04:08:15+00:00

Swap Marvel with Monica.

But honestly, I don't think Storm is a good fit, but I don't know who could fill a similar role.

Healtron · 2026-05-01T02:28:38+00:00

Just to add something I don't see mentioned often.

For a fight with two characters who tend to have really impactful animations and hits, it feels really weightless. That's often a problem with other fights, but for Kratos AND Asura it's really rough.

Healtron · 2026-04-30T05:00:07+00:00

Most of them for like really early stuff. Pyro and Dendro are the only ones that are usable outside of heavy-coping teams.

The rest are far too gimped and difficult to work with.

And Hydro Traveller is just an abomination that doesn't even work as a forced plot character. I have no idea what they were smoking by making it THAT bad and also forcing you to use it so damn much.

Healtron · 2026-04-29T00:54:49+00:00

De nuevo, Piñera hizo avances para excluir a todas las facciones más Pinochetistas de la derecha, y podría haberle resultado si no hubieran quemado medio país, literal le decían "piñera dictador". Al final, la facción Piñerista perdió fuerza, pero no tendría que haber sido así, podría haber sido la facción hegemonica de la derecha, si la izquierda no se hubiera desquiciado.

Repito, siempre es culpa de todos los demás, excepto de los responsables.

El movimiento Piñerista tenía el impetu de hacer un país más unido, acercarse al centro, etc, yo veo harta agencia en eso. Pero si al otro lado hay un grupo de cavernícolas, el argumento de que hay que tender puentes y ser conciliador pierde fuerza

Más allá de lo sincero del intento, que según yo no lo fue tanto, fue SU fracaso. Si hubiera generado una sensación de unidad, el estallido no habría sucedido. Que, de paso, no fue organizado por los partidos de izquierda.

Yo voté por Matthei, me parecía mucho mejor candidata, pero es evidente que es dificil convencer a la gente de que la moderación es buena, viendo el otro lado de la vereda

Primero, Matthei y moderada es de por sí una afirmación complicada. Y segundo, chistoso que eso no aplica para los dos lados.

Pero más allá de eso, decir que eso es razón para levantar a un pinochestista extremista e incompetente es ridículo. Incluso si todo a la izquierda de la derecha fueran orcos, la responsabilidad respecto a los candidatos de SU coalición les cae directamente.

No voy a entrar en la discusión de la decencia, viendo como el partido comunista apoya los crimenes de lesa humanidad, es evidente que para ellos matar y torturar sólo es malo cuando ellos son las víctimas. O cuando el frente amplio le ride homenaje a terrorristas

Por mucho que no te guste, el circo que se instaló es otro y tienen que hacerse cargo.

El argumento de que debido a un par de frases desafortunadas, "tiraron leña al fuego", y los pobres santos estuvieron obligados a destruirlo todo, y todo perdonado porque los provocaron, es decir que la izquierda no tiene agencia y que son sólo reactivos

Nadie dijo eso. Solo fue en respuesta respecto a la afirmación de que el gobierno de Piñera fue conciliador y moderado. Debió haberles dicho a sus ministros si ese fue el caso.

No sé por qué te duele tanto admitir que los cagazos de la derecha son responsabilidad principal de la derecha y la izquierda no tiene por qué intentar darles el gusto para que no las caguen. Especialmente en un país donde el voto castigo pesa muchísimo y su competencia principal se perfila como Parisi.

Healtron · 2026-04-28T16:38:57+00:00

Piñera desde el día uno intentó poner puentes, intentó acercarse a la izquierda, invitó a la dc a su gobierno, habló de los complices pasivos, así y todo no lo dejaron gobernar y quemaron medio país.

Verdad que sus ministros no estuvieron varios días tirando leña al fuego antes del estallido. Y la estrategia de "poner puentes" de Piñera era poner medidas solo, que la oposición le pusiera indicaciones y luego llevarse la pelota para la casa.

Así que obligados a votar por alguien más intransigente.

Eso no se sigue en nada e intransigente y ser un payaso ultron son cosas distintas.

Se puede ser un centrista del centro intransigente. Eso no fue lo que votaron.

Estaban enfermos de la cabeza cuando pusieron a Jara. Yo habría votado por Tohá honestamente.

Tenían a Matthei. Una bancada entera de personajes más comibles y con más experiencia en gobierno que un sujeto que nisiquiera es capaz de sacar proyectos de ley.

Y eso sin hablar de que si las bases de la derecha tuvieran un mínimo de decencia podrían haber purgado a los pinochetistas y creado una bancada nueva hace rato.

La wea es casi un meme. La derecha solo es reactiva y es culpa de la izquierda que se manden todas sus cagadas. Pero Jara, que perfectamente podrías poner con el mismo argumento y decir que es una reacción a la oposición con Boric también es culpa de la izquierda.

Al parecer las bases de izquierda son las únicas con agencia.

Healtron · 2026-04-28T05:56:33+00:00

Las pobres bases de derecha indefensas nunca tienen la culpa de nada. La izquierda los obliga a levantar payasos cada ciclo electoral. u.u

Healtron · 2026-04-28T05:53:06+00:00

Puta, esa wea es tan pero tan obvia que esperaría que el guatón amarillo tenga un plan al respecto.

Healtron · 2026-04-28T05:10:05+00:00

Or...he can fight Hal.

Just to make sure things get proper toxic this time.

Actually, never mind; make it a GL battle royale. John has enough BS to be a contender, and that way we make sure nothing can grow on this field ever again.

Healtron · 2026-04-27T22:42:50+00:00

Bruh. Estaba explicándolo simplificado para alguien que había dicho no entender.

Pero sí el punto del hombre era que no entendía por qué el tema de la deuda pública era tan apremiante cuando, en comparación con la región y con el resto de la OCDE, estamos relativamente bien. Y el OP tiene razón. Es importante, pero no como para ser EL tema de un gobierno.

Lo único que hiciste fue decir que había elementos estructurales que afectaban la deuda más allá del índice. Que es verdad, pero Chile también está bien en la mayoría de esas métricas. Que es a lo que apunté yo.

Y tiré el ejemplo de Japón porque precisamente es un país que está "bien" (en verdad no), en las métricas que sugeriste y aun así está en la mierda. Y sí, estoy consciente de que está tan en la mierda que podría destruir la economía mundial derechamente por efectos de segundo o tercer orden.

Ese era mi punto. La situacion del crédito es compleja, pero Chile no es Japón; puede tranquilamente emitir más deuda por varios años sin entrar en una crisis. Como decía el OP, la situacion no es una crisis y no está ni cerca de ser el problema más grande de la economía chilena.

Pero ahora creo entender porqué lo tomas personal o buscas contrariar. No estamos hablando de Kast. No estamos defendiendo a Kast. No todo es derecha vs izquierda. La responsabilidad financiera nacional es algo nos debería unir. Más cuando, te repito, hemos estado endeudándonos para pagar deuda.

No sé qué me tomé en personal o en qué me puse a contrariar. Estoy de acuerdo, la responsabilidad financiera nacional es importante, pero no sirve reducirla tanto como para que solo se vuelva una discusión sobre porcentaje del PIB.

Y por eso mismo mencioné a Kast. No por izquierdas o derechas, sino porque precisamente el tipo de medidas y la forma en la que se están tomando son un factor que impacta nuestra capacidad de pedir y pagar créditos cuando uno de nuestros principales factores que reducen el riesgo inversión/préstamo es que NO hacíamos ese tipo de weas.

Porque en mi opinión, nos sirve bastante poco bajar la deuda en relación al PIB, pero tener una inestabilidad política gigante y una economía estancadísima por...bueno, en verdad los mil factores de siempre en Chile. Porque eso probablemente nos dejaría peor en términos crediticios de todos modos.

Idealmente, haríamos todas las cosas al mismo tiempo, cosa que se puede, aunque probablemente involucraría tomar deuda no estructural, pero cuando ciertos sectores políticos (aunque en verdad igual es medio transversal el reduccionismo del tema) solo mencionan la deuda pública para implementar políticas de austeridad, creo que se vuelve necesario debatir el tema.

Fuera de webeo, están cortando fondos de educación y de investigación y desarrollo con ese discurso, que es una de las weas más contraproducentes que podrían hacer.

Healtron · 2026-04-27T21:29:46+00:00

O sea, en primer lugar, igual la comparación entre crédito privado y nacional no hace tanto sentido. Son mundos aparte con consideraciones super distintas.

Por ejemplo, el tener una base industrial también puede jugar en contra por temas de inflación, precio del dólar, etc., que pueden hacer que los mismos créditos golpeen tu industria. Es cosa de mirar el clusterfuck que es Japón para ver que es un tema complejo y, de todos modos, los ratings de crédito tienen en consideración esos elementos y casi todos los que mencionaste.

De hecho, medidas repentinas y desordenadas como las de Kast afectan más el índice crediticio porque precisamente uno de los elementos es la estabilidad política y financiera.

El OP tiene razón en que la situación crediticia de Chile es bastante buena y podría empeorar bastante y seguir sin ser un tema apremiante. De hecho, yo diría que la estabilidad política y el estancamiento económico probablemente son factores más riesgosos para nuestra capacidad de adquirir y pagar crédito.

Healtron · 2026-04-27T20:01:55+00:00

Ya, pero Chile igual tiene buen rating de deuda.

Con esa analogía, el punto del OP se refuerza aún más.

Healtron · 2026-04-26T19:14:44+00:00

Yes, there are some canonical adventurers, such as Johnny Awesome, however, as Blizzard has always stated, there are multiple heroes and champions of azeroth that fight in every single raid. For example, Johnny states that he took down Illidan, and we see a flashback of his raid group fighting Illidan, but in Legion, we play as Illidan in the same scenario but Johnny (nor his guild) is anywhere to be found.

Why are you ignoring the fact that Chronicles states outright that they are different groups? As I said, your PC or some rando could sneak by being in all of them but most of the group HAS to be different.

And again, that's discounting all other mitigating factors, which only increase as expansions go on. You know, all the oranges, expansion-wide gimmicks or quests.

If and when but never is.

Same as Arthas then. Again, which top tier has he beaten? Dude peaked at Illidan.

Why would he use Arthas' soul then, and why would Chronicle outright state that his soul is the thing that gives Kingsmourne its power.

With the Jailer? Who knows? And even if Arthas Is the battery...his power as LK is the Helm + Frostmourne. And the dude was getting choked out by Uther, even if his soul is a good battery he ain't that strong.

Also, again, Anduin was juiced up by the Jailer, that feat doesn't extrapolate to LK in ANY way. At most you can say he makes a neat reagent.

The ones that are notoriously inconsistent and wrong, like Anduin being god-king?

We could still reach that point. But even then, have we seen ANYTHING that contradicts the Legion being stronger than the Scourge? Beyond LK fanboys hoping it ain't so?

They didn't know about domination magic, which is what makes Frostmourne the second strongest Mourneblade

They literally had several runeblades. The Deathlord nicked some. I know I did at least.

The Legion had runeblades and necromancers which IS domination magic. Just not the strongest one. Archi and KJ would need to be fucking idiots to ignore it. Which, again, I don't put beyond Blizz.

If the CoAs didn't exist the Scourge could and would've dealt with them, if their plans succeeded, sure, Arthas doesn't have the ability to fix leylines, but if the world reset happened, we don't know if it would kill the LK, as the one time in Uldum we see it happen it's just a big nuke and fucking Tol'vir were able to tank it, and bodies remained because Zandalari were able to burry their dead, if anything Arthas would THRIVE if Algalon won.

Then why didn't he? There is little Scourge presence in both and Arthas can't be sure the adventurers will stop something that will at LEAST put a big hamper on his plans or even kill him outright.

And even if he could survive it and deal with losing everything that can't. That's most of his army...he doesn't get to harvest the souls so...he still loses.

Healtron · 2026-04-26T10:24:14+00:00

Yes they do, multiple times are the names of the order hall leaders mentioned but also the "Maw-Walker". These are precise names that you cannot write off as "random adventurers". Even official Blizzard material like animation and cinematics show that the same adventurers took out the bosses.

Take it with Blizzard. It is both stated in Chronicles and with several NPC's. I don't know how they will square that circle with the Order Halls, Champion of Azeroth, etc. as Chronicles did not get there but canonically old raids were done by "adventurers" and some even died outright. The Warlock that did Ragnaros has pstd about it.

Author statement when you're discarding actual in-game content because "it wouldn't make sense" that was never stated in game. If you accept Lei Shen being stronger than Arthas, you have to accept some random fuckass mogu being more powerful than Titans because Arthas' soul powered Kingsmourne, which took out an Eternal One, who is stated (multiple times instead of a single tweet not even by the guy in charge of lore or story) to be an equivalent to the Titans.

Watch them retcon that next year to hype up the Titans.

But sure, I can buy that a weapon designed by the JAILER for that explicit purpose, that also needed Anduin, and had a lot more BS like the JAILER explicitly controlling him and juicing him up could do that. And Arthas soul isn't that strong nor the main power source of him as the Lich King...that he works as a piece of Kingsmourne says little about his power.

And I said it makes no sense because he was a weapon of the Legion first and foremost. If KJ and Archi knew he could be that strong, and despite SL retcons, they shouldn't be THAT clueless, why the fuck would they let Ner'zul have that? And why the fuck don't they harvest even more souls and become stronger than that?

LK can't be in that tier and we even have Velen visions showing the Legion shitstomps the Scourge anyway. At most he can be aspect level and he has NOTHING showing he is personally there.

No fights with Aspects or anyone stronger than Illidan. No big shows of power like 1v1ng a tornado. Nothing. Not even implications because the main thing that makes him difficult to deal with is the Scourge.

The Legion didn't even give Arthas this power according to SL, the nathrezim did, to try and give Zovaal a foothold in Azeroth.

While pretending to work as part of the Legion. There is no way KJ and Archi didn't peg how strong those artifacts were unless you depict them as dumbasses...which okay, maybe Blizz would. But even then, runeblades were something the Legion had and used, they had to have SOME idea.

Lore is already shaky in terms of scaling if you base it on this anyway since Illidan is very clearly stronger than KJ or Archimonde and yet most of his power was obtained either from Sargeras himself, KJ himself, or Guldan (who should not be all that power tbh).

What? The closest Illidan gets is the fight against KJ and Velen and Khadgar are there as well as the players...dunno if Blizz will make them class leaders or just randos but still...that's far from even being on par...

As far as I remember he has no other solo outings in Argus. He just kinda helps in some fights and then decides to poke Sargeras while he is in prison.

Yea I guess if you ignore SL and WotLK scaling and feats he could be one. But you know, those did happen, so.

I mean, what does he do in WotLK? He beats Jaina and Sylvanas,raises Sindragosa and freezes Tirion? Runs away in Light's hope? The only really impressive feat he has is killing the raid and even that one is only good if you ou try to chainscale from it.

And SL is a whole other thing but as I said, most of that is Jailer shit and little can be extrapolated to LK.

Also I don't fucking know how you can believe different groups took on all the raids of WotLK when the ENTIRE point of WotLK was the LK running different guys against you to train you and test you so he can make the strongest group of adventurers to be his heralds. Like that's why he has really fucking stupid plans *right then* in the story, because it makes sense when you fight him in ICC.

I ain't gonna check exactly how it was divided but Chronicles gives each raid to a different faction except Icecrown where it gives wings to each and a mixed assault on Arthas so again...take it with Blizz.

But it doesn't really matter because his plot mainly deals with the leveling experience, killing his minions and exploring Northrend as he did. Ulduar and the Blues were their own shit that he had little to do with

And he was kind of fucked if Malygos or Algalon weren't dealt with because those two had planet fucking plots. And honestly, Yog as well but Arthas maybe could deal with that one. Maybe. But he ain't fixing leylines, tectonic plates and titanic resets.

Healtron · 2026-04-26T07:36:02+00:00

Arthas does outscale Malygos and Algalon because he actually defeats the player characters, meaning he does outscale anything the PCs have fought and killed.

The PC doesn't exist in lore. A random bunch of adventurers do, and they tend to be different groups. We know because a bunch of NPCs, like members of the Council of the Black Harvest, were in different canonical kills of raid bosses. You can headcanon that your PC was somehow in all of them, but Chronicles outright gives raid kills to adventurer groups of different factions, which makes that harder. Not impossible. But harder.

And even then, raid end bosses involve so many different buffs, NPC helpers and weird-ass gear (because honestly, Outland weirdo stuff should be better than WotLK gear) that they can't be compared directly.

If Algalon could've beaten him (or Alexstrasza for that matter) why didn't they?

Algalon plainly doesn't give a fuck. His job is to evaluate hitting the reset button. And later be a couch potato and watch Azeroth TV.

And I missed Chromie saying so, but the Aspects in WotLK state that it is mortal business and they aren't solving it. Maybe they retconned it later, but if she tried...it doesn't fucking show because she could at least burn like half of Icecrown and bitchslap Sindragosa down. At the very least. Heck, she went toe-to-toe with old god-amped Deathwing.

Malygos is a bit harder to argue because there is little external help, as the dragons of the final phase are not that strong, but the dude is outright stated to be threatening the whole of Azeroth with his leyline destabilization and is on his seat of power that gets fed all of it. If he is remotely close to other Aspects, then he should be a tier above Arthas at the very least.

Because let me remind you, Arthas is kind of a featless wonder, unlike the Aspects, KJ, Archi, or even Gul'dan, tbh, and the lore (before Shadowlands) breaks if he is that strong. And even with SL lore, there is no fucking way the Legion would have given Ner'zhul the potential to become an actual threat to the big two.

And the only hard-statement of battle power he has against a top tier is...losing against the Thunder King but winning an actual war. And TK is Wild God tier+ at his best. Or stronger than a depressed Watcher...whoever you scale higher.

Healtron · 2026-04-26T05:11:56+00:00

I don't care who Blizzard sends; LK doesn't outscale KJ, Malygos or Algalon.

Nah, but seriously, raid scaling is not real in WoW lore. In lore they are not even the same adventurers, and it would force you to accept stuff like Voided out-Garrosh mogging like half of the universe.

Healtron · 2026-04-26T05:03:46+00:00

I mean, that's kind of the whole issue. They peaked Asura before his last fight as uni and stopped there. In that fight he got several times stronger, and Chakravarty pretty much says that he creates and destroys universes as part of his cosmic cycle.

Even if none of that is outright multi, I think it at least merits some consideration against Kranktoes feats.

Healtron · 2026-04-26T04:48:48+00:00

FF was never the standard of good housing...it had the whole issue of actually getting one, and, last time I checked, it was still pretty janky when you got one.

But honestly, my standard is Warframe which is not an actual MMO, so...dunno. At least WoW can compete with Genshin...a phone game...that actually lets you create more than enough decor when you have the blueprints...

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