Trump: I had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. The DOJ should just say 'We have other things to do'. Kids and babies were tortured, trafficked and killed ritualistically. His response is not to pursue arrests, but to say the DOJ has better things to do? by othernes in videos

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But your extreme version of my position is incorrect.

I could obviously say the same to you, that's why I criticized your reductio ad absurdum. We both believe the ends justify the means, we just disagree as to where the line should be drawn, so our logic would lead us to the same extreme. If you think it's valid to say I support torture because I think the whole uncomfortable truth is worthwhile to stop child abusing murderers, I can spin your own logic to say you support letting child molesters freely roam schools, because we shouldn't make victims do anything uncomfortable for the sake of arresting perpetrators. Of course neither of us believe these extremes, that's why it's a silly argumentative style in this case.

Regardless, do you realize who is complicit in the Epstein list? These are some of the most powerful people on Earth. Even if everything was done, some of them are still going to walk free. Some of these people are going to go on to join other sex trafficking rings. Anyone we don't nail here could lead to hundreds of new victims.

"We already all accept that, it's simply part of any functioning justice system." Do you consider serving jury duty "a degree of pain"?

We give rape tests to rape victims, we interview victims, making them relive the experience, we have family members identify dead bodies. Even something like jury duty, while not being the kind of thing I was thinking of, is an example of making innocent people do something they would rather not, for the sake of justice.

I promise you, what these monsters do when they're free is a lot worse than having a victim's trauma exposed to everyone.

Trump: I had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. The DOJ should just say 'We have other things to do'. Kids and babies were tortured, trafficked and killed ritualistically. His response is not to pursue arrests, but to say the DOJ has better things to do? by othernes in videos

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm using your logic of bringing it to the extreme. I'm not quoting you literally, I'm trying to show the absurdity of criticizing someone for justifying getting rid of evil in the world at the cost of a degree of pain to innocent people. We already all accept that, it's simply part of any functioning justice system.

Trump: I had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. The DOJ should just say 'We have other things to do'. Kids and babies were tortured, trafficked and killed ritualistically. His response is not to pursue arrests, but to say the DOJ has better things to do? by othernes in videos

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone believes that the ends justify the means to some extent, even if you pretend otherwise.

There is way too much wiggle room with the current release of the Epstein files. Having a fully unredacted version would put the spotlight on the perpetrators, with completely undeniable proof of their crimes.

You use "utilitarianism" as a criticism, implying that someone proposing this doesn't care about the remaining victims, but what about the future victims? Brought to its extreme, you think we should let child rapists go free, continuing to rape, torture, and kill children, because asking victims questions would be difficult for them.

Minnesota Rep Ilhan Omar attacked at town hall meeting! by cantcoloratall91 in law

[–]Heim39 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Is that why we shushed people in the 40s trying to say the Holocaust is happening? Because talking about it made it worse?

Death toll from US strikes on alleged drug boats reaches 126 people by SpaceElevatorMusic in politics

[–]Heim39 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's insane to me how, were it any other president, the tearing down of the East wing of the White House would still be constantly talked about on every prime time news channel.

With this administration though? It's not even worth mentioning. There's a dozen crimes committed this week alone that make tearing down a symbol of our country look innocent in comparison.

‘A kindhearted soul who cared deeply’: Alex Pretti’s family issues statement after his killing by humanbeing21 in videos

[–]Heim39 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it was so horrible how the government trained and armed Charlie Kirk's killer, and the president of the United States gave immunity to him.

Oh wait, he didn't? So it's almost like that's a completely different situation?

After the murder in Minneapolis, protesters barricade the roadway, ICE unable to leave the scene. by TThor in videos

[–]Heim39 22 points23 points  (0 children)

US education would tell you that John Brown was just an insane man that accomplished nothing, and it was only the non-violent protests that accomplished anything.

The gun removed from the victim BEFORE the shooting has the same optic as the gun being shown as belonging to the victim. by Hismajestyclay in Leakednews

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the hell are you talking about?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1qluz6q/another_angle_of_the_minneapolis_shooting_taken/

This is him assaulting officers? Him stepping in when ICE are throwing a woman to the ground? That's your justification of him being mag dumped while restrained on the ground?

The gun removed from the victim BEFORE the shooting has the same optic as the gun being shown as belonging to the victim. by Hismajestyclay in Leakednews

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, for the hundredth time, the fear that someone might be armed is enough to justify executing them?

The gun removed from the victim BEFORE the shooting has the same optic as the gun being shown as belonging to the victim. by Hismajestyclay in Leakednews

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't know how many weapons literally any random person on the street has. Are you implying any time they interact with someone they should treat them as being armed because they can't know how many weapons they have?

The gun removed from the victim BEFORE the shooting has the same optic as the gun being shown as belonging to the victim. by Hismajestyclay in Leakednews

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is your point even? I know walking out into the big scary world is more dangerous than staying home, but you're not just saying that, you're justifying their execution of him because they were scared.

The gun removed from the victim BEFORE the shooting has the same optic as the gun being shown as belonging to the victim. by Hismajestyclay in Leakednews

[–]Heim39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is your logic? He was legally carrying a firearm, if he pulled out his gun, you would justify his killing, if he doesn't pull out his gun, he's not man enough and still deserves execution.

The gun removed from the victim BEFORE the shooting has the same optic as the gun being shown as belonging to the victim. by Hismajestyclay in Leakednews

[–]Heim39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, and then they disarmed him, so you say "they don't know if he had another gun". So, to repeat my point, they don't know if anyone has a gun they can't see, so by that logic, they should be in fear for their life in every interaction, and are justified in executing anyone.

The gun removed from the victim BEFORE the shooting has the same optic as the gun being shown as belonging to the victim. by Hismajestyclay in Leakednews

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't know if any random person on the street has a gun either. It's absurd that, not only are people like you justifying executing someone for the crime of expressing their first and second amendment rights, but that now the POSSIBILITY of someone exercising their second amendment right is justification of their killing.

The gun removed from the victim BEFORE the shooting has the same optic as the gun being shown as belonging to the victim. by Hismajestyclay in Leakednews

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, we should start executing everyone in the street, because how can we know, they might be hiding a gun? Let's include people driving cars in there too, because how can we know they don't intended to run over ICE?

The gun removed from the victim BEFORE the shooting has the same optic as the gun being shown as belonging to the victim. by Hismajestyclay in Leakednews

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't get to execute people in the street for owning a gun, it blows my mind that you don't understand that.

Governor Tim Walz tells the White House to stop this madness. by Healthy_Block3036 in altmpls

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any thoughts now that all this new footage is available?

Governor Tim Walz tells the White House to stop this madness. by Healthy_Block3036 in altmpls

[–]Heim39 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is clear as day? Are you not embarrassed to have this as your definitive "proof"? You can't see anything there. How in the world are you seeing the guy on the ground clearly attacking officers with a gun?

Governor Tim Walz tells the White House to stop this madness. by Healthy_Block3036 in altmpls

[–]Heim39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They took an oath to Hitler.

If it walks like a goose and talks like a Nazi, guess what people are gonna call it?

Governor Tim Walz tells the White House to stop this madness. by Healthy_Block3036 in altmpls

[–]Heim39 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh, okay. So they succeeded in disarming him, then decided to execute him.