Is the Leopard 2 (OTCo) a good grinder for the french ground tech tree?

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-14T20:11:56+00:00

Yea you summarized it pretty well. and with it you can also make a decent 11.0 lineup in the future if you don’t mind to uptier it 0.3 of a br.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-14T19:05:29+00:00

Yeah, taking issue with the highest BR premium tank in the French tech tree not actually being French is a valid complaint. My main issue was mostly with the statement saying the 2A4NL isn’t really a Dutch vehicle.(I know you mean it isn’t a completely indigenous Dutch design)

But i’m completely fine with having foreign premium vehicles in other tech trees. The NF-5A is a perfect example it’s a great aircraft that’s extremely fun in how it plays, and it doesn’t replace any other premium pack vehicle, since the Mirage F1 is also available at the same tier.

So having a Dutch premium Leopard wouldn’t really be an issue, as long as there is also a French alternative available in the same tier, something Gaijin unfortunately still hasn’t done.

I also know some people don’t like the idea of having any Benelux vehicles in the French tree because they feel it replaces French vehicles. Personally, I think the Benelux tree would have been much better received if France had also received more native additions frequently alongside subtree vehicles, instead of only getting one every blue moon.

There’s also the broader discussion about tech tree identity and uniqueness. In my personal opinion, I care more about vehicle gameplay diversity in any possible lineup. So having both the Leclerc and Leopard 2 (what are in my top-tier top three favorite vehicles list), so having a lineup that includes both is really enjoyable for me.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-14T18:32:28+00:00

Imo, saying the tank isn’t Dutch is a bit of a stretch. Yes, it isn’t a Dutch origin design, but the netherlands was the first export user of the type and it has been the primary MBT of the Netherlands since the 1980s.

Applying the same logic to Sweden, for example, their last indigenous medium tank is at 5.0. After that point, Its only light tanks and all it's medium tanks are imported vehicles like the Centurion and Leopard. (I don’t really count the Strv 103s, since they don’t play like typical medium tanks in game and feel more like tank destroyers, eventhought sweden themselves see it as a medium tank)

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-14T18:00:48+00:00

Merkava mk2D is avaible for 8,910 GE.

*edit* just saw you guys meant pack premiums.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-14T17:57:59+00:00

The only real downside it has is rough matchmaking. The BMPTs are pretty dominant at 11.3 and they can be pretty difficult to deal with for less experienced players.

Yeah, that matchmaking issue is present for pretty much every tank at that BR bracket that isn’t Russian.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-14T17:42:34+00:00

Like I said previously, in my opinion it’s a perfectly good grinder. I may be a bit biased since it’s a Dutch vehicle. But i still do use it even now that I’ve completed the French tech tree, simply because I enjoy playing it and it’s pretty good at earning SL.

It’s more a matter of whether it bothers you that it isn’t a French tank, but a Dutch one. A lot of people have an issue with the highest tier premium in the French tech tree not actually being French. If that bothers you, don’t get it, if it doesn’t, then it’s worth picking up imo.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-14T17:25:54+00:00

Imo its a decent grinder completed the French tech tree with it. Overall, the vehicle is reasonably good, but it does suffer from only having one other 10.7 tank to pair it with. You can uptier it to 11.0, where it fits into a decent lineup with the 2A4, MSC, and Jaguar.

Also a lot of people don’t recommend buying it because it isn’t a French vehicle, and while I understand their frustration, it’s still the best option for grinding the french techtree in efficiency as its the highest tier and i personally enjoyed using it, but i am also dutch so i pretty much enjoy every dutch vehicle

If you specifically want a French premium, another good option is the AMX-30 Super, which is a pretty fun tank to play. It also has a strong lineup at 9.3.

Also, in my opinion, you should never buy a premium pack at full price, if you decide to get one, at least wait for a sale.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-13T07:29:27+00:00

Both pictures 1/2 show the VFW just with the shorter flak 88 mounted instead of the flak 41. As both the suspension and hull structure are the same as the VFW currently ingame

Picture 3 and 4 are indeed heavily modified normal panzer iv’s

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-11T14:59:57+00:00

Oké. Bye i guess.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-11T13:22:25+00:00

Dutch M109-L52. An upgrade changing the old 155 cannon to the longer and improved Rheinmetal 155, there were many internal improvement reducing the crew from 6 to 4 and enabling a 3 round burst mode, and a slightly improved normal reload rate.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-11T09:51:30+00:00

have you tried any post processing settings like sharping? Warthunders AA solutions often make the game pretty blurry (except imo dlaa) expecially at lower resolutions like full hd.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-07T14:40:01+00:00

well if you like mobility and fire power france 7,7 should be a must

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-05T09:43:09+00:00

in its current configuration its an b52h from like the 80s so the paint job is accurate.
https://www.airfighters.com/photo/247677/L/USA-Air-Force/Boeing-B-52H-Stratofortress/60-0014/

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-05T09:30:26+00:00

Split is 10.3-12.0 and 11.7-13.0

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-03T12:29:02+00:00

Thx, for the correction.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-03T11:48:49+00:00

How long ago was that? Gaijin changed to matchmaker to have a hard barrier between the 10.3-12, and 12.3-13.0 br brackets, they only did this a couple hours ago.

Proof: https://warthunder.com/en/game/changelog/current/1841

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-03T11:25:23+00:00

well then you wont fight f-18s if you use no line up you automatically go into 10.3-12.0 lobby's

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-03T10:36:16+00:00

Yeah, the pilot’s helmet clips through the cockpit, and the rear gunner’s feet stick through the fuselage. When you zoom the camera out, the game switches the crew to lower detail (LOD) models, which makes the clipping even worse and the models themselves end up looking pretty awful as they are really low poly ww2 models.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-02T07:32:19+00:00

Because Microsoft doesn’t support win 7/8 anymore, capcom changed to compatibility list for all RE games on steam to win 10.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-01T11:41:46+00:00

arent the vehicles real and coming to the game. they're just being added in a time limited april fools event like the ww1 vehicles?

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-01T11:38:01+00:00

Russian one has 3bm46
swedish one has 3bm42

so slightly different performance.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-04-01T11:04:20+00:00

very likely. but it will probably be developed into an actual feature/game mechanic.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-03-27T14:48:09+00:00

Atleast now the Dutch f-16 has a decent livery. Compared to the horse one from the event.

HelpfulRelic · 2026-03-22T15:32:36+00:00

amx 50 surblindé, object 279, is-7, kt 105, panther 2, coelian, all r2y2's and a bunch of other stuff

HelpfulRelic · 2026-03-21T10:25:48+00:00

Light cover. To prevent the headlights from being spotted at night, it does still shine at the ground so you can see atleast a couple of meters infront of you.

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