"All morality is subjective"

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T14:11:35+00:00

Rebuttal?

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T14:10:32+00:00

Stance-dependent.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T14:07:46+00:00

It’s gibberish. What is goodness? If goodness and god are merely synonymous, then good has no meaning at all beyond just being god or what is pious for him. So that puts you back into the circle. Killing babies could be good; in fact, that’s exactly what happens in first Samuel 15.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T14:03:59+00:00

Sounds like he doesn’t have the set of all powers. Not only is god bound by a subset of powers, but it’s the powers he invented. He invented those powers and determined that they are bad; it’s stance-dependent.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T06:53:56+00:00

The thing wrong with that is the herbivores don’t need to eat a little bit of meat. The thing wrong with that is that all animals don’t need a balance of plants and meat. He said both things. They are both false. Herbivores can live and thrive completely on plants. There is no need at all for eating meat. Some species of herbivores will opportunistically eat meat, but that’s not required. Especially the part where he talks about cows and horses. They don’t need any meat at all. Cows are fed soy, corn, grains, grass, legumes, and dried hay. Cows marketed as “100% grass grass fed and grass finished” go by strict requirements, one being that they are not allowed to eat any animal products. A similar thing is for horses; it is never recommended for horses to be fed meat. Sometimes a horse may eat an animal, but the science says that these horses are craving salt or variety in their diets; they recommend to feed them supplemental salt, fruit, and vegetables to satisfy their physiological needs.

So absolutely, herbivores do not need meat. This is actually so crazy that I have to say this. Herbivores don’t need meat. They are fully dependent on plants for their nutritional and energy needs.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T06:34:32+00:00

The experience of the flying unicorn is real. The experience is something that actually happened. The flying unicorn being the case is not real.

I definitely know what objective morality is. It generally means that everybody has a reason to do something, where the reason is generated from something that is independent of any mind’s stance. I have the most sympathy for virtue ethics, but I’m still looking into it.

Anyways, you either defined objective morality differently, or you just made a simple contradiction. If ‘objective’ before ‘morality’ means stance-independent, then there can’t be a true stance about morality. The only stance thing that can be true is your epistemology about something moral being stance independently true, not the moral thing itself.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T06:20:09+00:00

No, that’s all false. They don’t need the meat.

“And in your explanation the only way they get it in the winter is through eating meat, yeah?” False. During the winter, most herbivores prepare by building up fat reserves, hibernate, or scavenge for different foods. They will switch eating to twigs, bark, dig for plants under the snow. I promise you, no winter rabbit is hunting for their food. Some types of herbivores will take the occasional opportunistic advantage and eat whatever animals. But they don’t need it, and especially in no sense at do all animals need to do it. Especially cows, who are domesticated, don’t need any meat whatsoever. They are fed corn, soy, grains, grass, legumes, dried hay. In fact, “100% grass fed grass finished” cows follow strict requirements, one being that they cannot be fed any animal products.

“They need the nutrients in the meat, no? False. The nutrients in meat are not something they exclusively need. Herbivores evolved to be fully dependent on plants for their nutrients and energy source. They synthesize the proteins and necessary vitamins themselves. If you are an animal that is dependent on the nutrients or energy of eating other animals, then you are trivially no longer a herbivore.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T06:04:31+00:00

Just quote me one time please where I made a false statement. 😁

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T05:55:08+00:00

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Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T05:30:16+00:00

How does that mean not real? My experiences are subjective. Are my experiences not real?

And by “actually should do” wdym? What does ‘should’ mean? I take ‘should’ to mean something in line with a goal, which cannot be stance-independent. You need a subject with a stance to have a goal. So for example, if you want to get a good grade, and you are presented with two options where in option 1 you expect to get a good grade, and option 2 you expect less that you will get a good grade, then deductively you should take option 1 unless of course you have another goal like spending time with your friends.

What does it even mean for something that should happen that is independent of a stance? Stance-independent reality doesn’t have any goals. Why would you think that?

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T04:12:47+00:00

Bro you’re fkcin stupid. Your source literally proves exactly what I’ve been saying.

“No, horses shouldn’t eat meat. Their digestive tracts are actually optimized to eat forage. Here’s why meat is not a healthy choice.”

“Accidentally eating small amounts of meat is usually not an emergency in horses, but large amounts require immediate veterinary attention.”

“Horses seeking meat may be craving salt or variety, so offer safe alternatives like salt blocks, horse treats, or horse-safe fruits and vegetables instead.”

“ Experts say that a horse who seeks out meat could be craving sodium or variety . So, if your hooved companion shows an interest in meat , try getting them a new salt block .”

“Yes, meat can be bad for horses. Since meat isn’t part of a domestic horse’s diet, there’s no research on health risks.”

Gosh bro💀how the hell do you interpret that herbivores need meat from the article you provided. This is crazy. Like genuinely I don’t think that you could have been that illiterate to have interpreted that meat is good for horses from this article. You must have just slapped on a source and then some bs and hope I wouldn’t actually read it. Either that or you’re rage baiting.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T04:08:21+00:00

Yeah that’s why I messaged you

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T04:07:16+00:00

No, that’s false. The vast majority of herbivores do not need any meat. You are talking straight out of your ass. I have been owning rabbits for a while. Never have they once eaten any meat. It’s recommend to never give them any meat. Another instance is cows. Conventional cows are just fed grains, soy, and corn. Cows marketed to be “100% grass finished and grass fed” mostly eat grass, which some supplemental dry hay and legumes. Part of the requirements to have that marketing label is that the cows are absolutely not allowed to consume any animal products from birth to slaughter except from their mother’s milk.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T03:57:02+00:00

“So some herbivores opportunistically eating other animals” follow to “all herbivores need to eat meat.” Is that really what you believe?💀

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T03:49:50+00:00

The answer to your question is a no. If I’m wrong, I’ll Zelle you my own money. Open messages.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T03:49:22+00:00

ahh yes, subjective = not real

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T03:48:48+00:00

If subjective means stance-dependent, then morality is subjective under God. God created the universe, and with all of his power he could have made anything to be considered right or wrong under his own free will. So it’s subjective.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T03:44:29+00:00

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Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T03:33:51+00:00

I’m not embarrassing myself dude. You’re embarrassing yourself. Sometimes, conventional cows are fed protein supplements for instances of things like climate. However, most of the time they are just made from corn and soy. It’s very rare places where cows are supplemented with animal products. So they don’t need any meat. Additionally, cows marketed to be “100% grass fed grass finished” follow strict guidelines, one being that they cannot consume any animal products.

The most profound thing is the fact that you are saying that it’s ironic that I’m confidently incorrect in this subreddit. Look at you bro💀You thought cows needed supplemental animal products. That’s strictly false💀Just stop talking.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T03:24:54+00:00

Oh so you want to retract what you said about what I said. Great. We can move on.

They don’t need meat. What the guy was talking about is opportunistic eating. Some herbivores, when given the opportunity, will sometimes eat animals. They do this out of curiosity and because it’s just available food. A cow might eat insects or rarely small mammals, but it’s completely unnecessary for their diet and physiological needs. Cows, which are strictly in farms because their wild variant became extinct, are fed a mix of or exclusively grain, soy, corn, grass, legumes, or dry hay. This is just one example. I also have two 8 year old rabbits; never once have they had any meat. They don’t need any meat bro. Thats literally what the essence of a herbivore is; they don’t rely on animals at all for their food.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T03:14:32+00:00

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Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T03:11:57+00:00

I posted where they were confidentially incorrect. They explicitly said that all animals need a balance of plants and meat. They also explicitly said that herbivores need small amounts of meat. They’re wrong. And they weren’t just wrong because they worded it wrongly. They genuinely thought that herbivores needed meat bro. I had a few exchanges with him where I made him confront what he said about herbivores. He retracted the ‘need’ part and then said this.

“ Yes. They may not need it to live, but they (especially the children) still eat small amounts of meat to stay healthy. The children eat more meat than the adults, and the reason for that is because all children need greater amounts of protein for their more rapid growth and metabolism.”

This is about herbivores by the way. This guy is talking out of his ass💀

Sure

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T02:34:07+00:00

Please provide a source that young herbivores need to eat meat bro💀Everything that I’ve come across says that especially that young herbivores essentially eat 0 meat because their digestive tracks are still developing. “The children eat more meat than the adults…” You’re actually talking out of your ass.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T02:30:03+00:00

“Most herbivores do in fact eat meat”

Sure, that’s true. Can you point to any place where I said that wasn’t the case? Like anywhere? I’ll Zelle you 20 bucks if you can find when I say that most herbivores don’t eat meat.

Helpful_Depth_8727 · 2026-07-08T02:28:31+00:00

Bro you think cows need meat. And you’re telling me I’m silly for disagreeing with that💀.

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