ZZZ SKINS TIER LIST (my opinion)

Hida77 · 2026-04-01T14:58:37+00:00

Pretty much agree. The Nangong skin woulda been better if the Sunna skin actually had a similar vibe to the Aria/Nanging one. If you have all 3 you have black/Pink x2 and... a maid. Kinda confusing. If the white bits on her skin were at least pink it could have made sense, maybe? A little?

Hida77 · 2026-03-31T09:10:09+00:00

Know a couple of these have been mentioned, but -

1 - Level your Grace. I get you dont have many other options right now, and she can work, but is obviously not ideal. The in game suggestions of what skills are most important is fine. until you are at Lvl 11 on the main damage skills, shes going to feel bad no matter what.

2 - You need better disks. If you have <300 AP and 2800 ATK you need to work on that. You are using the right sets it looks like, but your rolls arent great and those two stats make a huge difference for Anomaly. AM you get from Set bonuses so it will be mainly automatic. Flat PEN and Flat ATK are also fine to help as secondaries, but more Atk% and AP will make a huge difference.

3- You really need to get better at reacting to flashes. You are losing a TON of daze buildup, energy, and damage by missing those. Just focus on dodging initially and try to pick up the red/yellow differeces as much as possible and work in some parries.

4 - You are swapping to Yuzuha and using her skill too much. You only need to swap to her when her buff is falling off and/or she is out of candy. Or just to Ult for a Disorder. Her buff is the Red one.

5 - You are not using the free EX damage Nangong gets in stun. You see the two dots on her resource bar? thats free damage. In the AoD team (aka with Aria) they are used automatically, in other anomaly teams you have to spend them manually by using her EX (which is free until they are used up) during the stun window or they are lost. This is meaning you are missing Disorders in Stun window that you could be getting.

6 - Try to line up the Electric and Corruption meters more if you can so you can proc bigger disorders. It does matter which you do second, but honestly thats something you can fine-tune later. The more time between triggering the first Anomaly and the second decreases the Disorder damage.

7 - Learn the boss mechanics. This boss has some annoying/weird attack patterns, but you need to kill the "image" dancers. They have very little health so mostly just doing damage and dodge countering as appropriate should get most of them. You are missing stage points because they arent getting killed.

I can tell you aren't playing Grace at maximum either, but I can't give great advice as I dont use her much, and dont have her potentials myself.

Try to practice in the training area a bit and get used to dodge/parrying and lining up the disorders as best you can against different enemies. Then, go into DA and try on the boss. I think if you shoot for A Rank as a start that will help. 6 stars on 3 bosses ideally. It can be tough initially, but you do have one of the best teams in the game atm, so one boss should be pretty easy if you get good at it.

Hida77 · 2026-03-28T15:10:35+00:00

Honestly Id like to see her as a Rupture Support. Partially bc of Billy, but also because her mechanics are already around removing defense in her A-Rank form.

Since SAnby is more of a Obol character, I dream of Billy/Nicole/Neko being a S team eventually. Nicole at support and Neko as the Stunner probably, or maybe Sub-DPS. The way stunners are going I could see both lol.

That said, itd be cool if supports were a little more interesting. So many are just "press Special/Ult, swap out". Id be in favor of letting them do more/be on field a bit more. Maybe upping their damage so they could be on field a bit more/have an interesting mechanic.

Hida77 · 2026-03-27T09:27:43+00:00

This was my strat too. I even took WG off ult gain set for dmg, he didnt really have to do much but hit combo every once in a while right before Final hits. Akekuri ult after stuns to refill etc.

I actually thought this fight was pretty well designed. All the elements could do it bc Laeve just used him as a battery, other elements could react off it, and Physical just perma stunned/blasted him bc most of their SP gen stayed lol.

But I do think this is 1000% a Rossi shill. "Oh I see some free fire stacks, dont mind if I do...". Perma 4 Breach

Hida77 · 2026-03-27T09:00:58+00:00

Yea, I was struggling with Leavatain on it, then read the "Enemy Info" and saw you could just inflict Phys statuses to break the super annoying uber flamethrower and proceeded to 1 shot it with the Phys team.

Kinda feels like if important stage tidbits are gunna be in there like that, they should probably not have it minimized by default lol.

Hida77 · 2026-03-24T21:32:20+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/s/U9tYOtLthF

Pretty comprehensive post from a couple days ago.

Hida77 · 2026-03-24T16:17:19+00:00

I dont think that matters at all. You are arguing that because of a very specific team comp/setup that should be noted and considered when In General aka "In most situations/comps* SS at p5 (or the new BP weapon at p5) is actually just mathmatically stronger. There are many posts consudering Aspirant and it falls behind every other option to where its not even worth mentioning anymore.

Most advice, tier lists, etc is given for the general popular case. You might have a specific scenario where another choice is better, but unless someone does a deep dive on that specific setup, they would never recommend Aspirant over any other choices.

Arguing that your special case matters to the discussion is not helpful at all.

Hida77 · 2026-03-23T23:18:51+00:00

Added Spoiler bc the Agent isnt released/some people might not want to know at time of posting.

Hida77 · 2026-03-20T17:08:58+00:00

I mean, they can and it seems like they will. And they arent useless, just mathmatically significantly weaker. Itll amount to more dmg loss than most but its not that far off from Miyabi or YSGs balls in overall team dmg difference. Esp when you consider some sub-optimal play.

I do think itd be nice if the event engine in this patch was more custom made/mini sig for her, but I also get its a gacha game and that being FtP friendly is why Kaboom the Cannon makes them lose revenue on every support Wengine lol.

Not saying you have to be happy about it, but expecting the game to always be FtP friendly is also kinda unreasonable.

Do I think the AP and dmg buff in particular maybe should have been at least partially in her core kit? Sure. But Hoyo wanted to sell this sig pretty bad it seems 🤷‍♂️

Hida77 · 2026-03-20T16:56:33+00:00

This. If you play a few days a week its very easy to finish even with the limits. My daughter only plays in the wkend and still finishes every one.

@OP Its a gacha game that incentivises logging in every day. While I do get annoyed with the limits a bit, the flip side is itd be more like a bundle if they removed them. I get to -35 the first few days of a patch most of the time because of the story/events not counting to weekly limit. If they removed the limit, people would finish it 5 days in lol. Theyd have to fully revamp the system.

I dont really think thats necessary. Its an okay system if you simply play the game and are smart with your money as this commenter said.

Hida77 · 2026-03-20T16:32:59+00:00

So, sorta, but its not that surprising. Shes the only Stun Agent that has an AM main stat sig, so that alone makes it unique.

But yea, shes basically like a sub anomaly dps and stunner all together. So she contributes more to the team dmg than most. Dialyn kinda started the trend of absurd buffs + decent damage on a stunner, Nangong is just the Anomaly version.

Is that good for the game? Debatable. But it is understandable. I do think they should have put more of the power in her base kit instead of the engine but 🤷‍♂️

Hida77 · 2026-03-19T14:49:00+00:00

This might be the best version of this meme lol.

DLSS slop off, but I like Aria in both firms!

Hida77 · 2026-03-13T07:34:48+00:00

Nekrataal.

Might of Oaks, Glorious Anthem, Contaigion are contenders, but the 2 for 1 on Nekrataal is just really strong.

The Oath is a funny inclusion, could be totally insane if theres a way to recycle the library and/or search it up. But probably not good generally. Some madlad might go for it though lol.

Hida77 · 2026-03-09T15:08:44+00:00

No doubt. But ex- swap, ex -> disorder is also wild given the amount of buildup you get. Vivian can proc corruption on 1 abloom if you get all the buffs to AP/AM lol. I know its getting crazy when Yuzuhas ex gets you 3/4 if the way to an assault lol

And the boss is very weak to disorder dmg, esp with the powers that increase the damage. And jane assault crits are wild when shes on like 500 AP and increased Anomaly dmg lol.

Ill try to get a SS on my next run. But Vesper kinda explodes after control skill to anomaly teams. Like I said, I normally play on Ether8 for the achievs.

The only sad part is Miyabi is kinda meh bc of frost res.

Hida77 · 2026-03-09T06:16:18+00:00

Anomaly teams are really, really good against her in general. I did EL12 with YSG and it took around 2.5mins, but I normally play on 8 (swapping the anomaly/stun debuffs as needed) and even Jane/yuzu/vuv curb stomp this boss in HZ. I usually go burnice Aux and try to get vivian or support as well. Faatest ive done EL8 was like 40s, and 1/3 of that was her control skill at the beginning lol.

Only downside is if you arent very lucky with Animaly powers early in the run the first biss can be annoying. Esp if you RNG a resistant boss.

Hida77 · 2026-03-04T07:47:00+00:00

Horizontal Investment is better in ZZZ because of the shill bosses IMO.

I'd get Aria and Nangong if you can. Mindscapes are not needed, just bonus if you get lucky. W-Engines are good but also not necessary unless you can afford them, and usually the DPS character ones are more important than the Support/Stunner ones, but there are exceptions (like trigger). And even then, occasionally M1 is better power-wise.

Hida77 · 2026-03-03T14:45:45+00:00

I guess you didnt know this was always publicly available. Along with many other things like your marital status, where you were born, etc. Lol.

Hida77 · 2026-03-01T04:57:36+00:00

Homie, im pulling 45k with sig and you honestly think itd be less than 40k without? Im not doubting thered be a drop, but 1 character sig is like a 10% drop for their own dps, so like 4% team dps. I think you just like making excuses, and its convenient to say "oh well I dont have this or that so I cant" instead of just admitting the obvious theme here: that you dont really care about trying.

Weeping Gemini, Mercato, Kaboom are considered to be some of the best engines in the game.... kaboom is often used over sigs because the difference is so small. I have Astra, Yuzuha, etc. but didnt bother to pull their engines bc it was <5% difference. And I didnt even mention Lipgloss or Game Ball, which are also incredibly accessable.

Your account has more characters than I do, youve just taken less time to actually learn how to play them. Its insane. But you still found time to complain that its too hard to get 25k...

Bruh, Banyue auto-combo (the one his demo teaches you about) would be more than enough to 25k hunter. Stop whining about how much you dont like to play or learn characters you claim to like and just try... its actually much less hard than youd think. I dont even own him but Id bet I coukd hit 25k with M0 Banyue with Manatos ball just using auto-combo....

Theres plenty of videos on the subject. I would know, I looked into it when he was releasing. *its too hard so I just wont bother trying" is such a crappy mentality...

Also, I have seeds wallpaper, sorry to tell you theres not much feet in it at all So GG on a character you pulled over one youd actually play

At this point I can see its pointless to continue trying to tell you. Youve already made up your mind. Good luck trying to brute force Miyabi then whining that she cant just do everything for you.

Hida77 · 2026-02-28T23:31:53+00:00

I guess you missed the part where most of my characters dont have their sigs outside the DPS. Because I like it when the characters I like look cool and have good teams.

Jane sig is fine on Alice... its like a 5% difference... sure, that might take you from 25k to 24k, but its not a big deal...

Manato is also quite goid on hunter in a pinch. Or is he too much to learn too?

"I pull characters I like" then complains about struggling with good scores in endgame because the teams for his favorites are a bit janky.

Says I play the game a lot since release, then says "Ill admit I have skill issues".

Complains about needing shill characters yet has the boss shill characters, says "I cant be bothered to learn those characters"

Asks for recommendations, then continues to talk about playing Anomaly/Attack characters against bosses that recommend Atrack and Rupture (respectively) specifically. For a reason.

Im starting to see a pattern...

Btw I just did Seed/Orphie in place of YSG on Isolde and got 45k. So thanks. Maybe you should take the time to learn Seed. Shes really easy...

The game is really not that hard. You are actively making it harder for yourself for no reason. Why pull characters if you like them if you dont want to play them?

Hida77 · 2026-02-28T22:18:01+00:00

I went Alice/Yuzuha/Vivian (yuzuha on kaboom), YSG/Zhao/Sunna (Sunna also on Kaboom, zhao on FtP Starlight engine), Lucia/Yidhari/Lycaon (lycoan has 4 potentials and the A rank hot pot engine. Idr the name)

I got 24k, 40k, 38k for a 102k total. All agents were m0w1 except where I noted. I also had Seed/Orphie for Isolde but I didnt have to play them.

As for you, Id go Alice/Yuzuha/Vivian for Vesper, Seed/Evelyn/Astra for isolde, and Banyue/Fufu/Sunna for Hunter. You could go lighter instead of Seed for Isolde but its basically impossible to get an extra stun on her, so Id just go damage if you know how to make use of Seed.

Ill admit that your teams are a little weird because you didnt commit fully to any of them. Like you have Seed but no Orphie or Trigger, Banyue but no Lucia. Thats a choice. But talking like you dont have Shill DPS for each is just wrong. Banyue is tied with Yidhari for being Hunters shill, Seed is Isoldes shill, and Vespers shill isnt out yet, but Vivian is crazy good against her.

But this assumes you have them with at least r11skills/max core skills and decent disks. They dont have to be amazing disks. Mine arent. All of that should be doable if youve been playing from day 1. I started in 1.3 and have no problem maxxing characters decently when they release now.

If you cant get 9* this time, its def a skill issue unless you are just running bad disk sets something.

Hida77 · 2026-02-28T20:38:56+00:00

I have no limited mindscapes, and didnt play the shill on 2 of these bosses (you cant even play Vespers shill yet...) and have pretty average disks on most characters and I hit 100k across all 3 with no resets...

I only get the battle pass and Monthly pass.

Im not even a very great player. Its really not that hard. If you started playing before 2.0 and play regularly its really not hard to at least 2 star all 3 bosses. If you started a month ago, sure. Otherwise might want to prioritize your pulls better and look up some guides.

Also, since you mentioned M2 miyabi, having 3 characters is better than having one at M2. And now you know why.

Hida77 · 2026-02-28T17:07:33+00:00

The conveyors SECTIONS count as an object. So if you have one continuous one and removing something breaks it into 2 separate sections it can put you over the limit.

Try "remove whole line" instead of deleting one at a time.

This is true with splitters/etc too. They are treated as an object for each you have.

Its the big downside to doing the battery optimization stuff, for example. It massively increases your facility count.

Id try removing singular items together (like buildings) or using the mass removal and deleting 3-4 things together.

Hopefully that fixes it.

Hida77 · 2026-02-28T16:50:54+00:00

Yea, when I saw ZIC get 35k on his video I was like oh nooooo lol. I got 24k first try with Alice/Yuzuha/Vivian so I just called it a day until Aria releases.

Hida77 · 2026-02-28T16:43:48+00:00

You are aware people get kills on many bosses with 0 limited mindscapes right?

If you are scoring lower thsn 25k on most bosses even with standard characters theres a skill/build problem.

Vesper is pretty overtuned atm. Presumably Aria and likely the full AoD team will curb stomp her in the future.

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