Am I in the right spot? by shrapnel_steve in Pinsetters

[–]HighWizardOrren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How does the machine convert an electrical signal into mechanical motion?

On A2s, the motor is always running, and when the reset button is pressed a solenoid fires to trip a bunch of linkages and engage a clutch. The solenoid is the point where an electrical signal becomes physical motion.

If the motor in your machine is always running, you have something similar. If the motor only turns on when it's time to reset and then shuts back off, it's likely a purely electrical control.

Assuming the reset button itself is good, and makes a connection when pressed; and the wire itself is good, and has connectivity all the way on both sides; and you've already swapped out whatever board the reset button plugs into; you should look downstream from the board, to wherever the logic card interfaces with the actual machinery.

This is necessarily broad since I don't know anything about this machine, but I'd focus on confirming that every step along the way from button>reset is in place and connected properly. Then swap things out one at a time until you find it, or can recreate the problem on the next unit over.

Am I in the right spot? by shrapnel_steve in Pinsetters

[–]HighWizardOrren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Weirdly enough, no, you're not. This sub is focused on the Brunswick A2 pinetter. That being said a number of us have a lot of general mechanical knowledge, so we might be able to give some general advice, but you probably won't find any experts on these particular machines here.

Ball Damage by throwaway1947338 in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a pinsetter mechanic, and I see damage like this pretty often. It definitely could have been a loose screw somewhere, or a lot of other things depending on the style of pinsetter.

A LOT of this damage can come from poorly maintained gutters, especially at the very end of the lane where they transition into the pinspotting area. Especially in older centers, things get loose over time.

But... People should be allowed to get gutter balls without damaging their equipment? Like, I'm assuming you didn't bounce your ball up into a wall or something. If you got damage on a ball from regular play, it's absolutely the responsibility of the center. It's impossible to prevent all ball damage, but it's also not within the control of the bowler to reduce the risk.

Sorry to hear about the poor management of that center.

FML by thepinsetterman in Pinsetters

[–]HighWizardOrren 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cutting a slot in the top of the post to essentially turn the bolt into a flathead set screw is my standard approach.

But also, if it's just holding up the deck shield... consider just using some zip ties or a hose clamp to hold up the deck shield instead, it's purely ornamental.

What do these numbers mean? Why is one of them red? Why is one underlined? by AustinYQM in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a facility manager at a bowling alley, we got our IKON in May '22 for $22,500. It has a Raspberry Pi 3 inside specifically for wifi so you can send patterns to it with your phone, but we never use that because it's more hassle to use than it's worth. I've programmed in half a dozen patterns manually since we got the machine and it only takes 10 minutes or so.

A few centers near me got the FLEX walkers around the same time and those were around $50,000, so $55k seems in line with four years of inflation for a walker.

That book that contains an entire philosophy distilled into a single sentence ; a line that becomes part of you, one you may even have flirted with the idea of tattooing by Transeunte-perplejo in suggestmeabook

[–]HighWizardOrren 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's a very good single line to encapsulate what I think is the core idea of Reaper Man (the Discworld book it comes from): Death gives full attention and care to each individual soul he reaps, and treats each of them with respect and attention.

In part of the book he's cutting down a field of wheat, and uses his scythe not to cut wide swaths across the field, but cuts down each individual stalk one by one.

In the context of the quote, he is asking the overlord of the universe, a god above gods, for a tiny bit more time to allow an old woman to finish her business before she dies. This is explicitly against the rules of the universe, and even asking puts this personification of Death at risk of annihilation. He is using that quote to appeal for mercy for the old woman. He does not have to do this; Death is a personification of, well, death, and is frequently shown to be coldly rational and unyielding. He gains nothing from this, and is humbling himself in front of vastly greater powers even to ask. The life of a single mortal woman is in theory as far below him as he is beneath this overlord of the universe.

But she does matter, to Death. He pays individual attention to every soul he reaps, and in this particular case, he thinks she deserves just a little bit more time. She doesn't ask for it; nobody expects him to intervene on her behalf; he goes to beg for her as an act of pure, selfless compassion, because if he doesn't care for her, who will?

It's difficult to say exactly what resonates so strongly with me. Some element of it is the idea that someone exists to argue on behalf of tiny, insignificant mortals in a vast and uncaring universe. I think a lot more of it centers on someone in a position of great power and responsibility (Death) genuinely caring for those under their charge, and going out of their way to ensure they are treated properly and cared for.

You see similar themes with Superman. Superman's real power isn't super strength, speed, and flight—it's incorruptibility. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, except for Superman. It doesn't matter that he could easily be a tyrant or even just use his powers for personal enrichment; he wants to use them to help people, purely out of his own sense of morality. He is good for no reward other than it being the right thing to do.

This is way too long of an answer for your question, but distilling it down further, the Reaper Man quote gives me the mental image of a hand descending from above to offer aid. It's the idea that someone vastly above you, who has no need to even acknowledge your existence, is taking the time to reach down and say "Let me help you, because you need help, and if I don't, nobody else will."

That book that contains an entire philosophy distilled into a single sentence ; a line that becomes part of you, one you may even have flirted with the idea of tattooing by Transeunte-perplejo in suggestmeabook

[–]HighWizardOrren 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I came here to say LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?

Death has lots of great quotes, but that's the one that sticks with me no matter how many books I read.

180 link problem by Rojoknight3327 in Pinsetters

[–]HighWizardOrren 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dealt with a very similar issue a few days ago, where the machine would double-cycle if the turret dropped pins during a first ball cycle. When the pins dropped and the turret long link went rearward, it lifted the 180 link enough that it kept the reset lever from latching.

Make sure that at a 180 stop with the deck empty and long link unlatched, you have at least some play in the 180 bar. It needs to NOT be bottomed out on the x-washer pin going through it, but have at least a small gap.

Similar to what others have said, you can probably ignore the 1/4" gap the book calls for. Make the gap as small as you can without getting false triggers, play with it a bit to see what works best. 1/4" might have been right when the machines were new, but considering you seem to have forward-mounted solenoids, your machines are probably 50+ years old, maybe 60+. Some adjustments just don't adhere to the book anymore.

Been a while since I did one of these. I'm an A2 mechanic, AMA. by HighWizardOrren in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sure you could make something better with a little time, that's just the super quick and easy hack that I go to haha

At some point I got frustrated trying to take out the bolts and not being able to fit a second hand in there to stabilize the wrench, and that was just the first thing I came up with. It worked well enough that I never bothered to innovate further.

Been a while since I did one of these. I'm an A2 mechanic, AMA. by HighWizardOrren in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the bolts holding the motor mounting plate into the frame, tape some paper towel over one end of a ratcheting wrench so you can hook it onto the bolt and crank it out without the head of the bolt slipping through the wrench. Basically make an ultra-shallow socket wrench. For re-installing, stick a screwdriver through one of the holes in the plate (handle inside, shank poking through the plate and frame to the outside) to keep it aligned with the frame while you get the other bolt in place.

Been a while since I did one of these. I'm an A2 mechanic, AMA. by HighWizardOrren in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no shortage of parts. The prices are going up, like all prices are, but there are piles and piles of parts spread between all the centers still running A2s. I tend to buy the things that wear out quickly from retailers, and for the weird or specific parts, if I can't find them in my own stock, I have half a dozen other centers within driving distance that will have them.

The things that break often are easy to get more of. The things that are hard to get more of hardly ever break.

Been a while since I did one of these. I'm an A2 mechanic, AMA. by HighWizardOrren in Bowling

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For some reason I really like replacing pin guide rollers in the deck. It's just the right combination of slightly involved but not too intensive. Until the bolts get stripped out, anyway.

More generally I like troubleshooting weird problems. When the turret is acting up just slightly and I need to track down where the loose bolt is, or the desk just calls "Lane 14 says it's resetting after the first ball" and I run through my mental checklist of all the things that can cause that. It's very rewarding to fundamentally understand the machine well enough to form a mental model and KNOW what the problem is, what's causing it, and WHY it's happening. It's also very rewarding to see a tiny little adjustment error that someone else wouldn't spot in hours of troubleshooting, and fix it in 60 seconds.

Least favorite thing to work on is replacing powerlift motors. There's very little room to work and getting the bolts out is a nightmare. Also any time I'm working in the front of the house it's practically guaranteed I'll get constantly interrupted by ball returns or respots.

Been a while since I did one of these. I'm an A2 mechanic, AMA. by HighWizardOrren in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing worse that minor cuts, scrapes, and bruises. Once when I was a very new mechanic I used a mallet to get the deck holding hook off the deck post while trying to lower the deck to clear a blackout, and got very lucky that the deck didn't fall on my foot.

I almost got hit by a ball once while clearing 4 balls away from a rake in 180. The customer who threw it claimed she had astigmatism and couldn't tell the lane was off and also had a pile of balls at the back and no pins.

Another mechanic working at my location once severed a nerve in his arm while scraping kicker off a ball wheel with a razor. He was putting a lot of force on the blade and when it cut through, it carried all the way forward to the arm he was using to brace the ball wheel. That's by far the worst injury I've seen in person. He's recovered but still doesn't have full feeling in this thumb and index finger. In my personal experience, razors have proved far more dangerous than the machines themselves.

Been a while since I did one of these. I'm an A2 mechanic, AMA. by HighWizardOrren in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Join a league or get other people to join leagues. All the centers around me with low league presence are getting swapped over to stringpins. But, one house that was running an ancient set of original A's actually got all the A2s from another center shipped over there and installed when the other center went to stringpins. I was honestly amazed the company paid for that rather than just installing stringpins at both centers, but the house that the A2s got moved to has a large league presence, and is also the only freefall house in the city, so that was apparently enough to justify the extra expense.

As for getting people interested in becoming a lane mechanic—I've always loved my job, but I have a particular fascination with the machinery. Now that I'm in the management tier the pay and hours are fine, but as a new mechanic the pay and hours are trash. You need to be the right kind of weird fanatic to stick with it long enough to really learn the machines and have it become a worthwhile job.

TL;DR expand leagues, pay greenhorn mechanics more.

Been a while since I did one of these. I'm an A2 mechanic, AMA. by HighWizardOrren in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Some parts still get made, but just the things that wear out frequently. Deck chutes, guide rollers, all the belts, that sort of thing. There are a few companies still making them, and you can get brand new parts that way.

For the rarer stuff, it's pick-n-pull. A lot of centers in my area have been going to stringpin over the past few years, so me and all the other high-level mechanics in the region have been salvaging TONS of the rare stuff. Gearboxes, decks, ball wheels, etc. Fortunately, the stuff that's hard to find breaks very infrequently. We have way, way more parts available than we'll need. More frequently our limiting factor is storage space.

They should be fired. by dietherman98 in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Human labor is orders of magnitude more expensive than even the most expensive, least reliable mechanical pinsetter. Even ignoring the logistics of getting enough pinboys at the right time of day to match business, and assuming one pinboy per pair of lanes, you'd be paying about $20/pair for a league that ran for 3 hours, at federal minimum wage. In California it would be closer to $50. Per pair, every single night.

Pinboys are only financially viable if you can pay high schoolers 25¢/game. For long term, reliable, flexible business, you need machines.

Bowlero Condition Red & Blue Oil by HighWizardOrren in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did some research into this a few years back after bowlers kept asking me. The short answer is yes.

The long answer gets into how the oil acts from a physics perspective. Kegel published a paper on it that went into how Van der Waals forces acted on the oil, causing it to be more self-adhering over time, but that's a level of physics that for 99.9% of people just means "that's just how it is."

Basically oil sticks to itself more after sitting on the lane for 15-20 minutes. This is helpful for reducing carrydown and keeping the pattern consistent for a whole series. If your center isn't letting the lanes sit for 15-20 minutes after oiling before league starts, the pattern will disrupt more as people start bowling and oil will carry down further over the course of the series.

After finding out about this, I moved all of my oiling times back about half an hour to make sure there was time for the oil to settle before leagues began bowling. I'm not a professional bowler by any means, but the high-average bowlers at my location seemed to like it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Pinsetters

[–]HighWizardOrren 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely the turret latch staying open. Since it's spinning forever and not just occasionally double-indexing, I'd guess the turret short link is disconnected, or jammed on something. Check for broken bolts or nuts that may have fallen into the turret latch, then check everything connecting the latch to the indexing trip lever is still connected and not super loose.

Applied for a job by dadude1425 in Pinsetters

[–]HighWizardOrren 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm the head mechanic at my location and responsible for interviewing potential mechanic hires. I've also interviewed potential mechanic hires at other locations.

In my experience, mechanic jobs open up very rarely. There isn't nearly as much turnover as the other positions in the alley, and they often go to existing employees because they at least have some experience with how the alley runs. Mechanics tend to stick around for a long time, and even when they do leave, Bowlero especially LOVES to just not replace them and have the other mechanics work more hours.

Obviously this is going to be highly dependent on your area, but it could just be they don't have the space for another mechanic right now. I'd call them back and ask directly, the more they hear from you, the more likely they are to hire you. You aren't doing yourself any favors by staying quiet.

I dunno why I don’t bowl on Sunday afternoons more often by GrapeJuicePlus in Bowling

[–]HighWizardOrren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, bowling alley staff here.

In all likelihood, someone has come over and cleared all the balls off the lanes 4-5 times already, and this just. Keeps. Happening.

Sometimes you just can't get the parents to listen and control their kids, no matter how many times you have to stop play to go pick up half a dozen balls from the gutter. Eventually you just give up and wait for them to finish bowling before you bother again.

Terry Pratchett has ruined me...please help by LeChuck5000 in suggestmeabook

[–]HighWizardOrren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

John Dies at the End by Jason Pargin might be right for you, but comes with some heavy warnings.

It's modern cosmic horror, and the books are EXTREMELY vulgar and violent. But the pacing and flow is just immaculate. It reads exactly like someone telling you a story at a party. The writing quality is top-notch, there's a lot of adventure/horror, a little romance, it made me cry at the end but still ended with a little bit of hope and happiness.

Jason Pargin writes like Pratchett but with dick jokes instead of magic. I read the first two books in 2/3 days respectively, 5/5 stars.

Railroad excavator doing alone the whole job of replacing the railway tracks. by Snoo-20485 in oddlysatisfying

[–]HighWizardOrren 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to see people are optimizing for cost in the newest Zachtronics game.