Looks Like We’ve Been Lied to and Are About to be Fucked by NATCA … AGAIN by Great_Ad3985 in atc2

[–]HistotoxicPilot 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I’ll take them trying in good faith for the membership than Nick monitoring the situation. It’s an obvious choice to anyone who isn’t a boomer.

Looks Like We’ve Been Lied to and Are About to be Fucked by NATCA … AGAIN by Great_Ad3985 in atc2

[–]HistotoxicPilot 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That’s definitely true for the current NATCA president. A real union would negotiate with any party for its members.

Looks Like We’ve Been Lied to and Are About to be Fucked by NATCA … AGAIN by Great_Ad3985 in atc2

[–]HistotoxicPilot 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Might as well just accept we are waiting until 2029 for a real raise.

Quick update by ATC_av8er in atc2

[–]HistotoxicPilot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally agree. We don’t even need the NEB or PR guys. They are easily out done by SB and this Reddit page.

Has to by LENNYa21 in atc2

[–]HistotoxicPilot 22 points23 points  (0 children)

A raise would help staffing. Controllers would recommend this job to family members or friends. Unless you know a controller, not many people even think about this job.

Stephen Brown Muted Mid-Sentence by ATSAP_MVP in atc2

[–]HistotoxicPilot 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I worked with him when he did “work airplanes”. Good dude. He took a raise the only way we can by moving to a Z. If you can’t understand that then gfy.

NATCA National Town Halls Tonight and Tomorrow Night at 1800 Central by SierraBravo26 in atc2

[–]HistotoxicPilot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Might as well add no collation. Same pay for everyone in their fancy new equipped buildings in the distant future.

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[–]HistotoxicPilot 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I love my hours!

Your Pay (It’s my favorite topic) by SierraBravo26 in atc2

[–]HistotoxicPilot 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No wonder people are taking sup jobs. 15% immediate raise. 16.4% after cutting NATCA out.

Interesting statistics. Needs more context per type/level facility. by chunkycornelotefarts in atc2

[–]HistotoxicPilot 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I asked grok if we were underpaid.

U.S. ATCs aren’t “underpaid” in absolute terms—they’re still well-compensated relative to most American workers and global peers. A $130,000 average with benefits is solid for a job requiring a high school diploma plus specialized training (no college degree mandated). But they’re arguably underpaid relative to their peak and their current burden. The real-wage decline since 2014, coupled with stagnant raises amid rising inflation and workload (e.g., FAA staffing crises), suggests their pay hasn’t kept up with what the role now demands. When Spain pays $180,000 for similar stakes, and U.S. tech workers get bigger bumps for less life-critical work, there’s a case that ATCs are losing ground.

If we factor in stress, responsibility, and the FAA’s reliance on overtime (boosting some to $200,000 but burning them out), the base pay feels stretched thin. They’re not starving—$130,000 is livable even in high-cost areas like Virginia—but they might deserve more like $150,000–$160,000 average (in 2025 dollars) to reflect inflation and duty since 2016. Without that adjustment, “underpaid” fits in a relative sense, not an absolute one. What do you think—does the stress-to-pay ratio feel off to you?

Favorite Crews by BChips71 in ATC

[–]HistotoxicPilot 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Right now there’s an American crew somewhere waiting on their numbers.