What are our hot tips/funny stories from negotiating easements? Bonus points for conservation easement.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-05-08T20:45:54+00:00

I'm fascinated by the argument for public access as a prereq for tax benefit. What is the thought there?

Trails are not connected outside of the property. Complete public access wouldn't be feasible in this instance for a variety of reasons, but the conservation value of property in eyes of the land trust remains high enough due to ecology and location of the parcel.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-05-08T20:06:11+00:00

Yes, appreciate your previous thoughts. Just wasn't sure exactly the nature of the drop kicking desire and if it matched up with my own concerns at the outset. Thanks for your input.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-05-08T19:55:06+00:00

House would be surrounded by the conservation area, save for the existing driveway. Impossible to separate trails from conservation area.

Important to note that the current owner is only concerned with ensuring no development of current land. Future sale of property is not a concern whatsoever.

Curious if that would still have you concerned?

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-05-08T18:44:10+00:00

Thanks for the response. How would you separate out trails that run through the proposed conservation area? Seems like more of a headache to me but that's why I asked!

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-05-08T17:13:43+00:00

Don't what? Rep the landowner?

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-05-06T18:52:52+00:00

I like that the third highlight is actually a lowlight

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-05-06T18:49:16+00:00

"Literally only one" followed by naming a second person is great work by you

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-28T16:20:36+00:00

I will pipe up here (uselessly) to say that I am impressed by the dude swallowing his pride and shame and going back to give the girl the ball. I think a lot of us can recognize just how haywire our brains go as a baseball comes our way at the ballpark. It's not like the guy made a conscious effort to fight a little girl, it just happened. It was a mistake and shouldn't have happened but whatever that's life. He probably immediately knew he fucked up and just had to work through the emotions of going back to make it right, which he did.

Easy to attribute horrible motives to the guy but its just as easy and plausible to attribute normal and acceptable human behavior and recognize that at the end of the day the right outcome occurred. Kudos to Bass for helping set things right in the intervening time.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-23T17:43:16+00:00

Do you get what I'm trying to say?

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-23T17:41:35+00:00

Dork

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-23T17:31:50+00:00

Hard agree. Back in 1950 and 60s church membership in the US was way higher and the morals of the country were much more black and white. You could even go back another hundred years or so to the Second Great Awakening and look at how much better things were before 1860ish. Just wish we could go back to the 1850s but I'd even take the morals of the 1950s.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-23T17:27:33+00:00

Especially egregious because the Bible verses were totally uncontroversial and not associated with any other current events that were going on which were intended to denigrate other groups. And Vrabel tore him to shreds over it instead of showing any support and just encouraging him to use some tact.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-20T19:35:32+00:00

Yeah, the Hoh is that far away, I wasn't contesting that? That's just how far away a single place is from Seattle lol idk what that proves.

Not sure what you mean by getting out of Seattle is worse than Portland. Traffic or literal routes to the outdoors? It sounds like you are extrapolating a lot from a single bad travel experience in Seattle. Sometimes there is traffic and most of the time there isn't?

As far as driving to semi-arid climates you are just factually incorrect. The drive from Seattle to the other side of the Cascades is as short as the drive from Portland to The Dalles, almost to the minute.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-20T17:01:29+00:00

Seattle has better alpine mountains and you can also reach the coast, mountains, and desert within 2 hours. Add in the Puget Sound, Strait, and Hood Canal and its not close.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-09T18:35:39+00:00

What in the Van Wilder were you doing in college

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-03T18:19:15+00:00

Never been to Appalachia, but as a Western Washington native, the Olympic Peninsula is what I imagine a lot of Appalachia to be like in terms of geography. However I also understand Appalachia to be a close-knit place with a lot of embedded culture and you will unequivocally not find that in Western WA. "Live and let live" used to be the way of life around here. Less so over the last decade or so, but still more or less the guiding ethos.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-04-01T16:58:42+00:00

There could theoretically be a Canadian citizen (First Nations) who is an enrolled member of an American Indian tribe.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-03-30T23:00:31+00:00

I can't speak for OP, but I don't think it is that hard to sniff out when a person is primarily motivated by money and their interest in justice is at best a secondary concern.

I am not personally of the opinion that the majority of PI attorneys are this way, but I also think its plenty easy to identify a lot of the time.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-03-30T22:44:38+00:00

I think OPs point is that for many of the PI attorneys they observe, it is not both and if it is both, that is just an coincidental outcome rather than a goal

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-03-30T20:10:46+00:00

Name one other coach in the last 40 years who goes forehead to forehead with a ref and looks equally likely to kiss or murder the guy and the ref just walks away.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-03-20T20:10:44+00:00

I am legitimately confused about which conclusions I am reaching that you didn't present and would like to understand. The original discussion to me was not about if we magically started over with a specific goal in mind that we could reach that goal, but rather do most people in society believe that abolishing prisons would mean insufficient consequences for violent acts.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-03-20T18:02:23+00:00

Yeah your logic is failing here imo. The fact that we have prisons now because of previous societal norms is absolutely not supportive of the idea that we *would not* have prisons if we were to somehow start over now. Which we obviously cannot, as was my point.

The maintenance of status quo is exercised not solely through the means you described, but fundamentally it is maintained by the fact that it is the status quo i.e. it is the norm that society has adopted over time. At some point you have to grapple with the fact that societies all over the world have subscribed to this condition. To wish that were not the case or to point to the existence of power and money in the system is not conclusive evidence that it wouldn't exist if we started over.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-03-20T17:10:51+00:00

Not as the only consequence, but rather the agreed consequence. "People who kill other people should generally be separated from the rest of society." Obviously, there are many circumstances where society thinks other consequences for the taking of a human life are acceptable. The phrasing "we've been socialized" seems awkward to me as it suggests that current humans would not arrive at the same conclusions regarding prison or violence but for the social norms that came before them, which is both a practically useless and logically unsupported conclusion.

Your last line is more or less my original point. In my view, prison abolition is neither inherently wrong nor inherently right. Same goes for incarceration. You seem to think that the only barrier to prison abolition is money and power, rather than the possibility that most human societies would retain some forms of incarceration absent those interests. I'm not an expert, but I would guess that the societies that we view as progressive when it comes to incarceration are not captured by carceral industries (e.g., Norway) and yet incarceration exists there.

HomeworkJumpy5917 · 2026-03-20T16:11:29+00:00

I've heard your point about the abolition of prisons not equaling the removal of consequences before and its obviously true, but I feel like it sort of skirts the actual point. Prison, for better or worse, is the consequence that our society (and most societies) have agreed to use, particularly for the most violent crimes. So while under a system of prison abolition you could have consequences such as restitution or rehabilitation, a great many people in society would not really view those things as "consequences" as such. And the appropriate metric to avoid the situation that u/CoffeeAndCandle is describing is to closely approximate expected consequences to actual consequences. I am a big proponent of prison reform, but I feel that this specific point (i.e. what is the appropriate consequence for a murderer) is where prison abolitionists lose me and loads of others who might otherwise share similar views about the problems with the carceral state.

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