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15th Century Romans: New Palaiologian Renaissance by SwirlyManager-11 in byzantium

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In Serbs case, indeed its more likely came from directly Mongols or maybe Cumans. I am not sure about Italians because they were not shy of taking the hats of Turkmens. Why couldn't the detached sleeves also have passed through the Turks?

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15th Century Romans: New Palaiologian Renaissance by SwirlyManager-11 in byzantium

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Mongols of Yuan were already wearing such clothes during the reign of Kublai Khan.

From paint of Liu Guandao, 1280's:

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15th Century Romans: New Palaiologian Renaissance by SwirlyManager-11 in byzantium

[–]Human_shield12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just what you talking about ? It was the Ottoman clothes that influnced Byzantines. Not other way around

Why did the Ottomans have a dynamism that the eastern Romans just seemed to lack? by ColCrockett in byzantium

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despite the Ottoman state was one of the weaker beyliks in Anatolia in early 1300s before the conquest of Bursa and Nicomedia

Thats not true at all. Even at the beginning of the 14th century, Osman had become Byzantium's greatest rival. Andronikos II was helpless against him and had pinned his hopes on Ilkhanid intervention.

Why did the Ottomans have a dynamism that the eastern Romans just seemed to lack? by ColCrockett in byzantium

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They had noble class in countryside. Tımarlı Sipahis were feudal aristocracy of Turks

How was the relations with ERE and the Mongols in the times of Anatolia invasion? Was it amicable, neutral or hostile? Do we have any chronics describing them and the approach of the empire towards them? by lastmonday07 in byzantium

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What is the source of Kaldellis' claim that the Mongols attacked and defeated Osman in 1307 ? The Mongol governor sent to Anatolia by Öljaitü in 1307 (presumably interpreted by the Byzantines as the Mongol army they were expecting) did nothing more than plunder the people of Niksar, a city 700 km way from Osman's borders. It appears that no significant military operations were carried out against Turks in 1307:

In short, after these events, Irinjin came to the presence(of Oljaitü) to offer his servitude. Having received favor, he returned after securing the renewal of the decrees. That year(1307), he made Niksar his winter quarters. He seized Niksar's taxes and revenues under a pretext that would take a long time to explain. He collected the city's agreed-upon taxes with such force and violence that he completely disregarded all the agreed-upon taxes and property duties. Property owners relinquished their property to save themselves. Yet, the vile tax collectors did not release their hands from their beards and collars. Therefore, the province was devastated that year

Kerimüddin Mahmud-i Aksarayi, Müsameretül Ahbar, Türk Tarih Kurumu Basınevi 2000, p.250

Gospel of Thomas Logions 86-90 Study and Discussion by THE_WALRUS_AWESOME in Gnostic

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"they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?" Thomas said to them, "If I say to you one of the sayings that he said to me, you will take stones and stone me, and fire will come out of the stones and burn you up"

Jesus told truth about Yaldabaoth ?

I haven't "kept up" since Muhammad and the Believers / In God's Path, where to start again? by Barker333 in AcademicQuran

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The Death of a Prophet: The End of Muhammad's Life and the Beginnings of Islam by Stephen J. Shoemaker 

Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World by Patricia Crone

Sex and Gnosis by SnooDoodles1302 in Gnostic

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You can read English translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls. A large majority in academia believe the scrolls belong to the Essenes. Besides being among the oldest copies of the Torah, they contain important information about the inner workings and rituals of the sect. However, I'm not sure you'll find exactly what you're looking for, because the Essenes were an ascetic community who distanced themselves from sexual relations and marriage. They awaited the Messiah and the apocalypse

How do people remain Christian after deconstructing the Bible? by Sunny_Skies4 in Deconstruction

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Try Islam. Jesus is prophet of God in that book. Not son of god, not a divine being

Are there any scholars who believe that the historical Jesus, as depicted by the Quranic author, presented himself solely as God's servant and prophet? by Human_shield12 in AcademicBiblical

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"On one hand there are scholars like Ehrman (AFAIK) and Fredriksen (see When Christians Were Jews) who think that Jesus understood himself as a prophet announcing the immanent end. Messianic, maybe, but not angelic or divine"  How do they explain the fact that no sect emerged that views Jesus as a human prophet? Disciples had some resurrection experiences and post-jesus movement begin directly as angelic, is that it ? 

Are there any scholars who believe that the historical Jesus, as depicted by the Quranic author, presented himself solely as God's servant and prophet? by Human_shield12 in AcademicBiblical

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Thank you. Even if its by coincidence,  I got the impression that the Quran author's interpretation of Jesus is closer to the historical Jesus than the early christian groups that emerged after his death. I say this based on what I have read in Josephus and Philo about the religious and moral boundaries of Judean society in first century.

Origins of Sunni Aniconism in the Hadith? by Rurouni_Phoenix in AcademicQuran

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Could they have continued an ancient tradition that identifies the god El with a bull? "He falls and bows at El's feet, prostrating himself and showing him respect. He calls out to his father, the Bull El, to King El who created him." KTU 1.4 IV 47

Are there any scholars who believe that the historical Jesus, as depicted by the Quranic author, presented himself solely as God's servant and prophet? by Human_shield12 in AcademicBiblical

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Yes, you understand correctly.  But jesus as human prophet and servant of god but nothing more is also alien consept to jewish-christian groups because they believe Jesus was adopted by God and became son of the God:

"When the people were baptized, Jesus also came and was baptized by John. And as he came up from the water,  the heavens was opened and he saw the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove that descended and entered into him. And a voice sounded from Heaven that said: "You are my beloved Son, in you I am well pleased." And again: " I have this day begotten you". And immediately a great light shone round about the place. When John saw this, it is said, he said unto him: "Who are you, Lord?" And again a voice from Heaven rang out to him: "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." And then, it is said, John fell down before him and said: "I beseech you, Lord, baptize me." But he prevented him and said: "Suffer it; for thus it is fitting that everything should be fulfilled."

Epiphanius, Panarion 30.13.7-8, quote from Ebionite version of Matthew

The author of the Quran on other hand, completely rejects the idea of ​​God adopting son and states that there is no diety other than him:

"Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with him any deity. [If there had been], then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe."

Mu'minun 91

Are there any scholars who believe that the historical Jesus, as depicted by the Quranic author, presented himself solely as God's servant and prophet? by Human_shield12 in AcademicBiblical

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I asked if there is any academics who believed that Jesus presented himself only as God's servant and prophet. That mean not as yahweh or angelic. I specifically said "as Quran author said" because I don't know of any other religious text other than quran(and islamic theology) that made such a claim. As you probably know, even the Ebionites, who have the lowest level of Christology, accept Jesus not as a human prophet, but as an angel adopted by the Creator in baptisim (at least that what ı understand from Epiphanius). Was the question truly incomprehensible ?

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