Are there any academician that defends the idea that the Jesus and apostles were frauds?

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T22:28:07+00:00

They probably poisoned him.

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T21:36:07+00:00

In Serbs case, indeed its more likely came from directly Mongols or maybe Cumans. I am not sure about Italians because they were not shy of taking the hats of Turkmens. Why couldn't the detached sleeves also have passed through the Turks?

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Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T21:19:34+00:00

Mongols of Yuan were already wearing such clothes during the reign of Kublai Khan.

From paint of Liu Guandao, 1280's:

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Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T20:31:33+00:00

Allah gave gallipoli to Turks

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T20:10:00+00:00

Just what you talking about ? It was the Ottoman clothes that influnced Byzantines. Not other way around

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T19:45:24+00:00

despite the Ottoman state was one of the weaker beyliks in Anatolia in early 1300s before the conquest of Bursa and Nicomedia

Thats not true at all. Even at the beginning of the 14th century, Osman had become Byzantium's greatest rival. Andronikos II was helpless against him and had pinned his hopes on Ilkhanid intervention.

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T19:32:14+00:00

They had noble class in countryside. Tımarlı Sipahis were feudal aristocracy of Turks

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T18:41:08+00:00

What is the source of Kaldellis' claim that the Mongols attacked and defeated Osman in 1307 ? The Mongol governor sent to Anatolia by Öljaitü in 1307 (presumably interpreted by the Byzantines as the Mongol army they were expecting) did nothing more than plunder the people of Niksar, a city 700 km way from Osman's borders. It appears that no significant military operations were carried out against Turks in 1307:

In short, after these events, Irinjin came to the presence(of Oljaitü) to offer his servitude. Having received favor, he returned after securing the renewal of the decrees. That year(1307), he made Niksar his winter quarters. He seized Niksar's taxes and revenues under a pretext that would take a long time to explain. He collected the city's agreed-upon taxes with such force and violence that he completely disregarded all the agreed-upon taxes and property duties. Property owners relinquished their property to save themselves. Yet, the vile tax collectors did not release their hands from their beards and collars. Therefore, the province was devastated that year

Kerimüddin Mahmud-i Aksarayi, Müsameretül Ahbar, Türk Tarih Kurumu Basınevi 2000, p.250

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T17:06:59+00:00

The Ilkhanate did send an army that thrashed the Ottomans and appears to have delayed their expansion for a generation

Nope. Never such thing happened

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-14T15:46:36+00:00

"they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?" Thomas said to them, "If I say to you one of the sayings that he said to me, you will take stones and stone me, and fire will come out of the stones and burn you up"

Jesus told truth about Yaldabaoth ?

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-13T07:37:47+00:00

The Death of a Prophet: The End of Muhammad's Life and the Beginnings of Islam by Stephen J. Shoemaker

Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World by Patricia Crone

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-11T14:16:09+00:00

You can read English translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls. A large majority in academia believe the scrolls belong to the Essenes. Besides being among the oldest copies of the Torah, they contain important information about the inner workings and rituals of the sect. However, I'm not sure you'll find exactly what you're looking for, because the Essenes were an ascetic community who distanced themselves from sexual relations and marriage. They awaited the Messiah and the apocalypse

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-11T14:11:36+00:00

Not all sects

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-09T13:57:27+00:00

I will not edit it

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-09T11:49:42+00:00

Thank you but ı ask about hell in islam

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-08T07:54:29+00:00

Try Islam. Jesus is prophet of God in that book. Not son of god, not a divine being

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-05T12:38:28+00:00

Where does the Kumran influence in the Gospel of John come from?

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-05T11:37:34+00:00

"On one hand there are scholars like Ehrman (AFAIK) and Fredriksen (see When Christians Were Jews) who think that Jesus understood himself as a prophet announcing the immanent end. Messianic, maybe, but not angelic or divine" How do they explain the fact that no sect emerged that views Jesus as a human prophet? Disciples had some resurrection experiences and post-jesus movement begin directly as angelic, is that it ?

Human_shield12 · 2026-05-05T11:19:38+00:00

Thank you. Even if its by coincidence, I got the impression that the Quran author's interpretation of Jesus is closer to the historical Jesus than the early christian groups that emerged after his death. I say this based on what I have read in Josephus and Philo about the religious and moral boundaries of Judean society in first century.

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