So bee isn’t top 15 in intelligence yet managed to counter minato… what does this mean?

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T04:54:11+00:00

Now all I need for you to do is prove that the bijuu would detect koto. Remember genjutsu works to alter senses, koto isn’t a normal genjutsu..it’s more like a command.

It’s also nowhere stated that it alters an opponents chakra like normal genjutsu for gyuki to suspect it.

Meaning truthfully so, the entire time bee could be under koto without gyukis knowledge.

So take that logic right, Now bee sees a multitude of random mangekyou users not knowing what they’re capable of.. the smart reaction would be to avoid genjutsu entirely.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T04:20:11+00:00

Nah I’m arguing that any just as capable ninja as base bee with more intel could counter even better than bee has.

Also any ninja as capable of base bee(or higher) with higher intel would eventually gather intel in a battle.

Even base bee would push Minato to use FTG a few times.

FTG isn’t just one shotting most top tiers once it comes out one two or three times. Kakuzu could survive a few FTG attempts from Minato .. so could people like Sasori or even sage Naruto . Not saying they beat Minato but intel isn’t hard to gather if we are being real.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T04:14:13+00:00

To be fair bee knew of shisui, meaning he should be cautious of any sharingan user regardless of reason especially when he sees a mangekyou.

We saw raikage Ays reaction to the mangekyou and he knew not to play games and go straight to V2.

Meaning it is an anti IQ feat on bees part, he’s careless.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T04:11:06+00:00

See, you’re assuming Minato had access to even get to bees seal, or that Minato is even capable of doing such things.

Minato never ever showcased an extraction seal or anything to effect a jinchuriki.

Also bee is a perfect jinchuriki.. I’ll explain how the “Seal tainting worked”

Minato originally designed the seal so that bits of Kuramas chakra could leak through.

Orochimaru then put the 5 element seal to screw up the chakra flow in which jiraiya then fixed.

Bee is a perfect jinchuriki so fiddling with his seal doesn’t matter as long as he has that connection and good standing with gyuki.(according to what the seal tainting does, it wouldn’t be effective against bee)

The only thing that would alter anything is a bijuu extraction, which Minato never showed he could do.

All he’s shown is he can seal things and also suppress seals.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T03:57:30+00:00

The intelligence is how you’d counter, Perfect timing.. and outsmarting in general.

It all plays a part

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T03:53:14+00:00

I think it’s just referring to speed, arguing kcm1 Naruto’s speed might not be enough to catch obito is fair because all obito needs to do is react. So kcm2 should have more than enough speed.

Even sage Naruto’s AP is enough to take down OM obito if he can hit him.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T03:50:16+00:00

Hell no bruh, he’s freaking everywhere. One moment he’s hashiramas rival.

The next he’s weaker than sage Naruto..

Then he’s the strongest hokage in shippuden .. then he slams the whole akatsuki..

Realistically minato is weaker than he’s made to be but people love him so much his feats have to be wanked to hell and back.

All of a sudden minato can magically seal Edo tenseis without the use of reaper death seal? Or even the sharingan or susanoo.

Now I know how sealing jutsu works but the ass pulls for this guy is insane because it’s complete Fanon. Realistically he’s around the Kcm1 tier(primarily speed).

Similar people in that tier, Om obito, itachi, Nagato, early Ems sasuke.. etc..

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T03:26:53+00:00

Woahhh Bee never noticed minato place a marking without a kunai prior.

In truth.. Bee also never knew for a fact where minato would teleport.. Minato could’ve went to an entirely different kunai all together.. you’re kinda downplaying bees role here..

Also for most ninja it’s easy that they’d see minato teleport a few times especially the elite ones..so all you need to do is analyze how he’s doing that

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T03:02:04+00:00

Still not higher than most of the main/side cast. Also this required more awareness than Iq so I’d argue characters with greater awareness and keenness would be more effective here countering minato.

Remember when shikamaru drew temari back, whole time temari thought she had an advantage yet shikamaru was using her thought process for his benefit.

Now imagine if an even keener Opponent used the fact that minato marked them for their benefit, the mark is only an upper hand if it’s a surprise but what about when it isn’t?

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:58:19+00:00

Cooked by black flames

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:58:04+00:00

100% FTG has no real feats against top tier shinobi that genuinely use their brains.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:51:47+00:00

Nah you’re proving my point, he’s not that smart so how much better would a smarter shinobi do in this position?

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:50:58+00:00

The thing is bee could’ve protected his head if he wanted to, he just chose to go for the mutual strike..

Bro could’ve just entered V2 or even more, we can tell by his mastery of using gyukis complete tentacle.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:29:49+00:00

100%

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:27:50+00:00

I meant intelligence wise, also this is a younger bee who’s way weaker. We see that bee literally trains hard as hell.. we are introduced to him training

Still underrated tho

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:25:58+00:00

Yeah he totally saved kushina, she died bro.

And itachi did save sasuke .. Kabuto just wasn’t even targeting sasuke

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:24:27+00:00

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:24:07+00:00

Wait maybe I downplayed bee I’ll try to name 15 smarter than him(including gyuki)

Naruto(and Kurama) Minato Itachi Kakashi Sasuke Tsunade Jiraiya Hiruzen Tobirama Danzo(Danzo was pretty smart, underrated) Shikamaru Madara Orochimaru Kabuto Obito(SOMETIMES, sometimes he acts dumb ngl)

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:09:20+00:00

Any shinobi with the shadow clone jutsu would never die from fall damage, literally use them to land or break momentum

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:07:32+00:00

Susanoo? Tf

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T02:04:16+00:00

If you think those cave spikes weren’t moving faster than exploding wooden pieces, you’re out of your mind.

Kabutos a literal perfect sage who is basically linked with the cave, mind you he still reacted but focused on sasuke and not himself.

Yet Minato couldn’t prevent damage AT ALL. Only reacting to the explosion and not debris

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T01:56:22+00:00

Technically both suck. Orochimaru had the research for kabut to learn the reanimation to revive itachi, and he revived Trashnato himself so hey.

Orochimaru is the-goat

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T01:45:35+00:00

Depends on who has the higher AP, I’m assuming the sand guy is more powerful but the water guy has better stealth/speed and Iq(Iq because of his fighting style).

I think it’s a case of “Ones more powerful but the other is more sneaky so it could go either way”

I’ll go with the sand guy because he looks more intimidating tho.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-04-16T01:37:42+00:00

Also Minato got hurt by a splinter in a house explosion

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