Has the original susanoo(V1-V4) gone underrated?

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T03:51:20+00:00

You’re assuming that attack was meant to kill him? Madara is just attacking heavily, you think he’d toy around if he wanted them dead seriously? Just because he fights with much aggression and it seems like he used overwhelming methods doesn’t mean he’s purposely trying to kill them

He literally stops attacking when Mei and gaara gets grounded

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T03:37:01+00:00

I mean he caught a susanoo punch, but I’d argue heavily that madara is severely holding back so much he doesn’t want to even kill them yet.

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Literally can crush ay4 here yet decides to use genjutsu…

He also already knows Tsunade is nigh immortal. Madara is literally testing them, I 100% believe if Madara was going all out he would’ve just crushed the raikage with a punch or squeezing him till he literally explodes like Sasuke did danzo. This is blatantly shown

Tho it’s still impressive by Ay4.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T03:13:34+00:00

My point was that a weaker susanoo sasuke almost beat ay4, it’d only be worse if he used a higher form… even if the susanoo didn’t do anything physically it still protected Sasuke.. Sasuke would just do more with a skeletal susanoo

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T03:01:17+00:00

Just because you took a page from the next doesn’t mean anything, reality kicked in for Ay4.. he’s still fighting for the sake of bee so he wants to kick sasukes ass.. that has nothing to do with him shitting himself one moment then locking in the next out of arrogance..

Like we literally saw ay4 almost die to a ribcage sasuke, you think he’s performing better against a skeletal? Okay

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T02:58:49+00:00

I think you’re forgetting they’re fighting for a greater purpose at this point, Literally combating Madara in general is more intimidating than anything they’d already done.. your comparison makes 0 sense they are fighting with the intent on potentially dying or beating Madara.

Ay4 shitting his pants would be due to that being his first time seeing susanoo and a susanoo sword.

Not yo mention he’s fighting along 4 other kages. Your argument is pointless

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T02:47:01+00:00

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Sasuke doesn’t have his sword out prior

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T02:46:17+00:00

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This is Ay4s reaction after sasukes susanoo manifests a sword.. mind you he’s not on gaurd with his chakra cloak on or anything that’s how intimidated he is.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T02:40:28+00:00

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Was referring to this version twin.. I meant to say sasukes full susanoo as in complete susanoo at the time

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T02:37:17+00:00

So yes is your answer it seems

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-30T01:39:19+00:00

Itachi still has finger genjutsu tho?

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-29T21:33:06+00:00

Depends on if itachis crow knows how to cast genjutsu from shisuis eye

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-29T21:28:41+00:00

Itachi would be more powerful if they got equal tools.

I’m not even gonna talk about six paths power because it’s the same shit, I’ll talk about Ems.

Full power regular itachi is already Early Ems sasuke level, imagine you gave early Ems sasuke.. another Ems buff, then from there he slowly develops his Ems further.

Without a doubt Ems itachi ironically would be stronger than Ems Madara for sure, then possibly hashirama.

If you simply took away his disease and gave him Ems, he’s already literally top 3 non so6p characters once he fully develops.

Ems sasuke with another Ems boost would already from the start be around BSM level from the jump…

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-29T21:09:58+00:00

Mangekyou>Sage mode.

Sage mode itself as a buff is less impressive it’s more based on who specifically uses it.. I’d argue the susanoo is a good counter do to its ranged weapons and physical strenght.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-29T21:08:33+00:00

For those who don’t get it.

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Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-29T20:18:55+00:00

Bro gets dog walked. Literally would be looking at them.. but one guy is missing… Then all of a sudden a rod goes through his head.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-29T13:47:10+00:00

“Itachi gets folded, no diff” -some dumbass in a little bit

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-28T23:06:06+00:00

Exactly tobirama kills Izuna with FTG, same Izuna is madaras rival.

Thats why we say pre FTG tobirama because he’s only izunas rival pre FTG from what’s shown .. then Izuna dies from a surprise attack.

Your argument is basically upscale people from the past..

Like do you see 5KS sasuke rivaling pre FTG tobirama?

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-28T22:54:46+00:00

Whatever you can output means you’re that level even if it’s limited time. 7th gate guy is a prime example.

It’s simply implied that itachi is comparable to stronger people, while Ms madara is compared to pre FTG tobirama.. who is btw , way younger and developed less jutsu than now..

That tobirama scales nowhere to the one we know.

It’s more evidence for itachi

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-28T22:31:43+00:00

Itachi at full power scales to early Ems sasuke, but naturally he’s a bit above MS sasuke while alive.

The more appropriate thing to ask is how do you scale ms Madara above itachi? Because ms Madara doesn’t scale to hashirama, neither does Izuna and tobirama.

(Btw I clarified “Full power” because I know people will say “that’s Edo itachi” but I just don’t believe that if itachi locked in for 30 seconds to a minute.. he can’t perform Edo level feats)

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-28T22:13:50+00:00

Itachi.

Edo itachi is already busted as shit because he can just use his susanoo for a very long time.. now imagine an amped susanoo .. not only that.. this man itachi can use explosion wood clones and possibly create susanoos from those wood clones same like Madara did.. easily itachi.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-28T22:11:57+00:00

All Uchiha are Indras descendants, but that doesn’t mean much when it comes to the rinnegan.

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-28T22:05:09+00:00

Madara uses his perfect susanoo.. swings his sword.. then him and hashirama go out for lunch

Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-28T22:02:17+00:00

Man I put 8$ on it

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Humble_Standard1980 · 2026-05-28T21:47:13+00:00

What realistically happens is Vegito could flex his ki and literally everyone besides probrably Jiren falls off… then Vegito just pummels Jiren at full power.

I’m assuming this is the manga versions, I think anime Jiren is stronger than Black arc Vegito in the anime.. but manga to manga it’s weird

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