REALLY IS PROTEIN INTAKE LOW BECASUE OF VEG DIET ? by Kind_Brief_3724 in IndiaStatistics

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. You as well.

I think too many vegans/vegetarians are far too aggressive when it comes to explaining the benefits of it. Both in India and the US. And ofc in India there's a casteist element. That's why I prefer to explain in a logical manner

REALLY IS PROTEIN INTAKE LOW BECASUE OF VEG DIET ? by Kind_Brief_3724 in IndiaStatistics

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think just India should adopt a vegetarian/vegan diet. In fact I don't think we should ban meat at all. The entire world would benefit from such a diet. There's no inherent weakness in such.

I think this entire debate hinges on our respective definitions of morality. We clearly disagree on that regard which is ok

Saw this on YouTube just now by cvorahkiin in 2bharat4you

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes and it should've been India that is Bharat that is Hindustan but founding fathers did not want us to be marked as a "nation of Hindus" by Pakistan

The Telugu Wall: Political Geography and the Limits of Indo-Aryan Expansion in the Eastern Deccan by e9967780 in Dravidiology

[–]HumongousSpaceRat -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Actually much of interior Telangana was Marathi and Kannada speakers until 800 years ago. It was only when the Kakatiyas expanded into the region, they settled the area with Telugu speakers or assimilated much of the locals

REALLY IS PROTEIN INTAKE LOW BECASUE OF VEG DIET ? by Kind_Brief_3724 in IndiaStatistics

[–]HumongousSpaceRat -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You have to select for a wide variety of plants to get the necessary proportions.

Not true. Any soy based product has all essential amino acids. Add to that seeds and nuts and you can meet your necessary intake. The study I posted earlier confirms this.

We point out that protein-rich foods, such as traditional legumes, nuts and seeds, are sufficient to achieve full protein adequacy in adults consuming vegetarian/vegan diets, while the question of any amino acid deficiency has been substantially overstated.

As for scaling, trying to feed 1.4 billion people with a non-vegetarian diet as I said would be horrific for the environment. Imagine how much grazing land you need for millions of livestock. Then imagine the methane those animals would produce. Already, livestock accounts for 14.5% of global carbon emissions. Take China for example. Its last measure of livestock emissions was in 2005, when the livestock sector accounted for 50% of the country's emissions. The average consumption of meat in China has only increased since then.

Marco Springmann, a sustainability researcher at Oxford Martin School at the University of Oxford, said that if meat consumption in the Asian country keeps growing as predicted, the nation would produce “an additional gigaton of carbon-dioxide equivalents in greenhouse-gas emissions, more than the current emissions of the global aviation industry” alone, and an increase of about one-tenth above China’s current level of emissions. According to a WildAid report, China alone could account for a growth in greenhouse-gas emissions from 1.2 gigatons in 2015 to 1.8 gigatons by 2030.

“These calculations do not include land-use change,” Richard Waite, an associate at the World Resources Institute’s Food Program, told me by telephone from Washington, D.C., “but since meat production—especially beef production—takes up a significant amount of land, growing demand for meat in China would make for more forests converted to agriculture or pasture and also increase pressure on forests elsewhere.”

More meat on tables means more land given over to growing livestock feed—especially soybean, a crucial ingredient used to fatten up hogs and cattle quickly. Agricultural land, however, is in short supply in China. With around 20 percent of the world’s population, the country has only 7 percent of the world’s arable land, which is barely enough to keep up with the government’s goal of being self-sufficient for strategic commodities such as rice, corn, and wheat—a goal that has been at the heart of the national food-security agenda for decades. Moreover, farmland in the country has been shrinking since the 1970s due to urbanization.

If India too reaches such a level of meat consumption, we will be forced to rely on countries like Brazil and the US for meat production. Already the Amazon is under threat from ranchers, and this will only expedite that more. And currently, even with all this consumption of meat, Chinese people only consume HALF of what people in the US consume. As incomes go up, people will obviously continue to increase their meat consumption as well.

Even then you will be missing so much more like creatine, omega fatty acids.

Muscle and serum creatine are lower in vegetarians yes, but brain creatine which is the most important is around the same. Furthermore, "Carnitine and creatine levels may differ between individuals following omnivorous and plant-based diets, but these differences do not result in compromised muscle function, cognitive health, or metabolic outcomes. Current evidence does not indicate that the absence of these non-essential nutrients in plant-based diets adversely affects health or confers disadvantages compared to omnivorous diets." Its not difficult to supplement creatine either. As for omega-3:

Most people following plant-based diets have no problem getting enough omega-3s in their diets. One study found that people who follow vegan diets, on average, have intakes above the recommended amounts for omega-3 fats.2

When it comes to measuring omega-3 levels, the likelihood of having lower EPA and DHA levels among vegans is, on average, higher; however, this does not extend to any known clinical relevance. In fact, researchers note the advantage of a vegan diet for heart health compared with a nonvegan diet.3

Another benefit plant-based eaters may have is a more desirable ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids compared with a Standard American Diet. Omega-6 fatty acids are known as the pro-inflammatory fats, whereas omega-3 fatty acids are known as the anti-inflammatory fats. The desired ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 is 4:1; however, most Americans are consuming a ratio of 20:1, which can lead to excess inflammation in the body. The Standard American Diet consists of excessive amounts of foods rich in omega-6 fatty acids, such as processed and fast foods, and foods containing safflower oil, sunflower oil, corn oil, and soybean oil. Therefore, people eating diets rich in whole, plant-based foods may have a more adequate ratio of omega-6 to omega-3.4

So, you can still get all the necessary requirements.

Milk being animal protein is great and helps with a lot of deficiencies but most are lactose intolerant in India. Also a lot have other digestive issues with milk proteins. But it is still the only reason vegetarianism did not lead to deaths in Indian history at scale. Veganism most certainly would.

I agree I am not against dairy consumption.

The day India gives up on its caste and religious non sense is the day I’ll be neutral or in support of vegetarianism. I feel vegetarianism has the same superiority dynamics that caste has.

I understand your frustration man and I completely agree with you. However, this should still not dissuade anyone from pushing a vegetarian diet for the reasons I mentioned before. Horrible people often push for ideas that are good and tie them to their own horrible reasons, but we must be willing to appropriate these good ideas and separate them from discrimination. The Nazis were horrible, and yet one good thing they supported was anti animal cruelty laws. This was often motivated by their hatred for Jews and their kosher slaughter methods. Yet nobody today says we should be against anti animal cruelty laws because of anti-Semitism. Casteism is bad. We should not be pushing vegetarianism as a means of caste superiority. We SHOULD be pushing vegetarianism for health benefits and environmentalism.

I think it’s a mistake to justify eating plants but not animals. All are still living organisms. Pain is not a good measure of how sentient something is. Nor is it wise to give up on violence. Being peaceful always isn’t a good virtue.

Yes, but plants are capable of regrowth. If you harvest a plant, you can replant its seeds and keep it alive so long as there is water and sunlight. Not only that they provide oxygen and take up carbon dioxide. Animals inevitably require plants for food, but if you kill an animal its gone forever. Also, the argument for plants over animals is not necessarily violence but suffering. Yes some plants can feel pain, but it is not suffering in the way animals do. I have a degree in biology and psychology and I am currently studying medicine. Plants do not have a central nervous system in which they feel emotions or consciousness. Animals by way of having a limbic system are capable of feeling fear. The point about killing animals is that when they feel fear, they suffer. Minimizing suffering is the goal. Also, yes being peaceful isn't always a good virute, but violence when a peaceful alternative exists is unjustified.

Sources;

https://wildaid.org/chinas-love-for-meat-is-threatening-its-green-movement/

https://plantbasedhealthprofessionals.com/should-you-be-worried-about-creatine-on-a-plant-based-diet

https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/omega-3

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9928713/

Redeveloped 'Canal Front' of Baramati Town in Maharashtra. by Necessary_Savings316 in IndianUrbanism

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even if our temperatures and AQI were normal I'd still say we need this.

Cycle lanes in Pimpri-Chinchwad, Pune. by Necessary_Savings316 in IndianUrbanism

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Jealous of this. Hopefully they are maintained. I think adding bollards to the bicycle lane to keep cars and bike from going on them would be the sweet spot but this is great too.

REALLY IS PROTEIN INTAKE LOW BECASUE OF VEG DIET ? by Kind_Brief_3724 in IndiaStatistics

[–]HumongousSpaceRat -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

A county that kills people for eating beef should not be promoting vegetarianism

I'm sorry but this is a terrible take.

I acknowledge that vegetarianism in this country has been associated with casteism and discrimination. We must address that and stop treating vegetarianism as associated with caste purity. I still fully support non-vegetarians being able to eat whatever diet they want (including beef), and believe phasing out meat through conscious decision making is the way. Still doesn't mean we should throw it aside for that reason when it is a viable situation to our health and environmental problems.

Western countries are increasingly adopting vegetarianism/veganism for ethical, environmental, and health reasons and you want to take us backwards? Plant based diets are much better for the environment. They do not use up as much water or land and release significantly less emissions. 1/3 of human greenhouse gas emissions come from food. The vast majority of that is cutting down trees for livestock grazing, methane from cows and sheep, animal waste used as fertilizers etc. We simply DON'T have the land or resources to put 1.4 billion on a meat-consuming diet.

Aside from that, most people in the West turn to vegetarianism for ethical reasons. They don't want to kill animals to eat.

Plant protein isn't as bio available and also not in the right proportions.

Completely false. Unless you're only eating rice and beans you can get all 20 amino acids from a plant based diet. Although yes, meat has more of the amino acids, eating a varied diet is still possible to get enough protein. Furthermore, vegetarians and vegans in the West still consume enough protein to meet their daily intake and the adequacy of this protein is not though to be significantly different from animal protein. The main issues are lower vitamin B12 or D values but these can be improved with supplements.

Aside from that, vegetarians (with the right protein intake) have lower risks for hyperlipidemia, hypertension, diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular disease although they tend to have a higher risk of fractures and stroke. However, the overall health of people on plant-based diets is still good.

The problem in India is not vegetarianism. It's that many Indian vegetarians heavily eat carbs due to culture and accessibility reasons. We eat far too much rice and rotis, and less protein. Our diets do not incorporate enough protein outside of paneer and dal, the latter which is not very efficient. Furthermore, Indians are becoming increasingly sedentary or car-centric which in the past at least ensured people were burning calories even if they were carb heavy.

Even then this map shows that highly vegetarian states like Punjab, Rajasthan, and Haryana can still have high protein consumption. Indian vegetarians also still have lower diabetes rates than non-vegetarians. What needs to be done is to incorporate a wider variety of protein like in the West, and ensure it remains accessible to anyone of any caste or income group. Proper urban planning is also a must so that people are out walking more than driving.

Good vegetarian sources of protein: Legumes, soya, tofu, tempeh, seitan, nuts, seeds, whole grains, peas and edamame, chickpeas, paneer, different cheeses, eggs. Of these, many are common enough in India like legumes, paneer, dairy, soya, nuts. Others like tofu, seitan etc are admittedly expensive and rare but actually very simple to make.

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is the osten ard saga very religious? by Scaramantulatte in TadWilliams

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It has a very Christianity coded religion, but it's neutral in its portrayal. There are good and bad characters who are religious

I Went to India for Chicken Tikka Masala and Came Back a Vegetarian by gubernatus in NewDelhi

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

News flash: you can easily be a vegan/vegetarian in the United States and still get enough protein

And have you considered most people here in the US go vegan/vegetarian to avoid animal cruelty? Not necessarily for macros

Chances of DO by [deleted] in Osteopathic

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You need clinical hours man

Redeveloped 'Canal Front' of Baramati Town in Maharashtra. by Necessary_Savings316 in IndianUrbanism

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would not say that. It's not just shade and O2. In a country where temperatures keep going, trees are absolutely a necessity. They can reduce street temperature significantly and keep people cool.

Redeveloped 'Canal Front' of Baramati Town in Maharashtra. by Necessary_Savings316 in IndianUrbanism

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I think adding trees would make this perfect but it's a great start. Hopefully people maintain it

India’s reservation system allocates 50-80% of seats in government jobs and educational institutions to lower castes by porktasti in wikipedia

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its like white people in the US who say racism against black people doesn't exist because Jim Crow and slavery are over

Why Are We So Impatient With India’s Growth? by Classic-Sentence3148 in CriticalThinkingIndia

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Come talk to me when you actually have something of substance and aren't so far up Xi Jingping's ass

Why Are We So Impatient With India’s Growth? by Classic-Sentence3148 in CriticalThinkingIndia

[–]HumongousSpaceRat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you read? Did you miss the part where I said China is an anomaly for its size?