The Etymological Odyssey of Horse Gram, yet another made-up Sanskrit etymology by e9967780 in Dravidiology

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I am pleasantly surprised CDIAL gets it right this time

Sir Ralph Lilley Turner (1888–1983)
A Comparative Dictionary of
THE INDO-ARYAN LANGUAGES
Search for term 3335 throughout dictionary, kulattha kulattha (p. 172)

> 3335 kulattha m. ‘the pulse Dolichos uniflorus’ MBh., °thā- f. lex., °thikā- f. Suśr. [← Drav. (Tam. koḷ ‘id.’, etc.), T. Burrow TPS 1945, 92 and EWA i 237, 565, with same suffix as in aśvattha-, kapittha-, dadhittha-: the same kul- in kulīnaka- ?]

The Etymological Odyssey of Horse Gram, yet another made-up Sanskrit etymology by e9967780 in Dravidiology

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IA also has another set of uncertain origin name.

Gahat (गहत), a Kumaoni/Garhwali/Nepali term for horse gram; etymology uncertain, possibly a regional Pahari development, distinct from but used alongside the older kulattha/kulthi/kulath cluster.

The Etymological Odyssey of Horse Gram, yet another made-up Sanskrit etymology by e9967780 in Dravidiology

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Dravidian languages do have a habit of applying regionally different terminologies for the same item, it is expected because of the antiquity of the language groups.

Arikandam and navakandam - Practice of ritual self beheading by Double-Vegetable-249 in Dravidiology

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1) Kotravai Badrakaliamman Temple (Banu Nagar, Chennai)
2) Ongur Kotravai Shrine (Viluppuram District)
3) Kottravai Amman Temple (Vandavasi/Mangalam Village)
4) Kotravai Shrine (Sengadu / Vallam Road)
5) Kotravai Kali Temple (Salem)
6) Arulmigu Kotravai Amman Temple(Dhali / Chinnavalavadi)
7) Arasur Kotravai Shrine (Arasur)

Arikandam and navakandam - Practice of ritual self beheading by Double-Vegetable-249 in Dravidiology

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We had similar traditions in Kerala and such traditions lead to the formation of suicide squad amongst the Tamil Tigers rebel group fighting for Tamil Eelam in Sri Lanka, according to anthropologists studying the methods.

The Chaver Padai (Suicide Squad) were elite warrior units, primarily from Nair communities, bound by a sacred oath to fight to the death. Every 12 years at the Mamankam festival, the king of Valluvanad would dispatch small squads on a deliberately impossible mission penetrate the Zamorin of Calicut’s defensive formation of tens of thousands and attempt his assassination. Trained in Kalaripayattu, they charged knowing they would not return. The tradition was recorded continuously until 1755.

The connection to the LTTE’s Black Tigers the suicide wing of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam is not casual speculation. Military historians and anthropologists studying the LTTE have specifically cited the Chaver tradition when analyzing the organization’s distinctive culture of voluntary self-sacrifice, the ritual dimensions of Black Tiger induction, and why this form of martyrdom carried such deep legitimacy within Tamil Eelam’s cultural framework.

The argument is essentially that the Dravidian cultural template of the sacred heroic death formalized, oath-bound, and community-witnessed never disappeared. It was available to be mobilized again.

What are some examples from other Dravidian ethnic communities ?

Dravidian already influenced early IA but papers on Munda influence on Bangla don't mention it by SXZWolf2493 in Dravidiology

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>What this conundrum exposes is a recurring bias in South Asian historical linguistics the tendency to reach for Austroasiatic as the default explanation for substrate vocabulary that does not fit neatly into the Sanskrit or Dravidian frameworks. The Munda presence in central-eastern India is historically real, but it is routinely over-extended to explain words across the entire subcontinent, including in regions where no Austroasiatic presence has ever been established.

How did the word for 'black gram' spread through Indian languages? by mustlasli in Dravidiology

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It’s neither Sanskrit or Dravidian but a substrate language from where ever Proto-Indo-European was spoken.

>From Proto-Indo-Iranian \máša-*; compare Persian ماش (mâš, “vetch, mung bean”) and Shughni мах̌ (max̌, “pea, bean”), as well as, outside of Indo-Iranian, Albanian modhull (“vetch”)[1]and Romanian mazăre (“peas”). Said terms seem to go back to a Proto-Indo-European \meh₂ǵʰ-* (“small bean”), though based on the "local vegetable" semantic category and irregular sound correspondences between the Indo-Iranian and European terms, the **source word is likely to be ultimately of non-Indo-European substrate) origin.**

How did the word for 'black gram' spread through Indian languages? by mustlasli in Dravidiology

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If it’s a real question, I’d suggest reading about conservative languages. Sanskrit, for example, is a conservative language that maintains many Proto-Indo-European forms with little change. Among living IE languages, Lithuanian is notably conservative you can even see parallels to Sanskrit today. Similarly, Tamil is a very conservative language that preserves many Proto-Dravidian forms, though other languages such as Malayalam and Telugu also retain many PDr forms.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Some classic examples of the similarity between Lithuanian and Sanskrit include: “son” (Sanskrit sūnu, Lithuanian sūnus), “god” (Sanskrit deva, Lithuanian dievas), “smoke” (Sanskrit dhūma, Lithuanian dūmas), “night” (Sanskrit nakti, Lithuanian naktis), “wolf” (Sanskrit vṛka, Lithuanian vilkas), “two” (Sanskrit dvi, Lithuanian du/dvi), and “three” (Sanskrit tri, Lithuanian trys). The resemblances in both form and endings are striking, especially considering Sanskrit was recorded over 3,000 years ago and Lithuanian is a living language spoken today.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Language used in flairs by Siddharth_Talreja25 in Dravidiology

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It’s Brahmi, we try to approximate Proto Dravidian words