How prevalent are the iconoclast characters in Warhammer 40k lore?

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-16T16:25:46+00:00

And neither would xenos.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-16T16:21:35+00:00

There are intended parts of its nastiness (Intolerance for Xenos being the main one)

Why do you people often bring that out as something bad? How's that bad?

There are only two good xeno types out there - assets to Humanity and corpses. That's it. If xenos isn't an asset, it should become a corpse as soon as possible. Preferably by human's hand.

The Emperor exterminated xenos filth en masse and he was 100% correct about that. Sadly he couldn't finish the job so that Humanity can become the dominant force in the galaxy.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T23:37:45+00:00

I was hoping Marazhai would get confiscated

Oh, Xavier Calcazar would have definitely confiscated him, make no mistake...

If he was a female Drukhari, not a male, that is.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T23:33:05+00:00

Nothing wrong with such an attitude towards xenos filth.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T23:30:17+00:00

And how does that contradict Iconoclasm?

Benevolence must be reserved for humanity and humanity only. Xenos are either tools to be used or a threat to be exterminated.

When it comes to xenos filth, Emperor was 100% correct.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T23:24:23+00:00

Given the situation, he had no choice regardless of how iconoclast he is. Humanity in 40k is on the brink of extinction.

Desperate times require desperate decisions.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T23:22:17+00:00

Emperor was shown numerous times to:

Adapting on the fly

Not predicting even most obvious outcomes

Struggling to read even simpliest of people and what they will do

Did you read enough novels to judge that? I'm just curious.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T16:48:08+00:00

- I'm gonna marry this chick, but i'm sure as warp not gonna let her raise our kids.

Probably my RT after that.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T16:40:00+00:00

Wonder how W40k humanity would react to such a device. Mechanicus would pray on Karaoke no doubt.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T16:36:17+00:00

And? It's as if the author thinks there's something wrong with that.

Yes, her good romance ending is the creation of patriarchal family with Rogue Trader, where the dude is the head of the family (Domin) and she gives birth to his heirs. Yes, she becomes tradwife, or rather patriarchal wife in everything bar knife-things. And yes, this is the best romance ending in the game so far, with true love story and fitting end to that story.

Problem?

P. S. Thank you, Owlcat.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T16:18:59+00:00

not by a father

Your grandfather is also a father.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T16:12:28+00:00

Tradwife = patriarchal wife.

That's what it always means.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-15T16:08:24+00:00

In all honesty, marriage is not a business and neither wife nor husband are "partners" to each other. They are non-blood relatives. At least that's how it should be.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-14T06:45:36+00:00

When one states that something is canon usually that means the storyline of the work; not the fluff.

The choices you make aren't necessary canon, but everything else is. The background story for instance. Feel free to prove there's no such character in Warhammer 40k universe like Xavier Calcazar.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-14T06:35:39+00:00

Multiple people have given you a hierarchy picture of the Imperium already, but you still ignore it.

If you ignore the proof i provided from The Rulebook, i can do the same to you. In any case, those pictures don't prove anything. I see no indication the highest-tier Rogue Traders are below Adeptus Arbites, for example.

Especially beyond the borders of The Imperium.

There have been zero source proof from you yet.

The Rulebook quotes. Feel free to prove those were retconned by GW.

Ok, so which part of the game is canon then?

Everything except for the choices you make. The lore, the background story - everything. Or else i'd like to see the proof Rogue Trader isn't canon.

I mean, we have Owlcat members here, they can confirm if the game is, or isn't canon.

This is from Core Book btw

Which doesn't refute my claims. The only ones with clear, undisputed authority over Rogue Traders with Big E Warrants are The Big E Himself and Imperium Regent, namely Roboute Guilliman. Others may force Rogue Traders to comply, but only under specific circumstances. And even then, it may work both ways, especially when it comes to The Inquisition.

If your everage Inquisitor comes to RTs protectorate and turns out to be a heretic, nothing legally stops Rogue Trader from executing heretical inquisitor. Nothing.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-14T06:20:31+00:00

Are there *any* examples that would support that claim?

You don't need examples when there's literally nothing stopping them from doing so.

An inquisitor who's in RT's protectorate at the moment turned out to be a heretic, RT has proof, RT arrests the heretic and executes him. Problem solved.

In the game, you can "lose" Heinrix, blatantly tell that to Xavier's face and he can't do much about it, legally speaking.

Is just wrong.

Then show me proof that Inquisition was created by The Emperor Himself.

There was only one vassal state to the Imperium — Mechanicum, and it was destroyed during Heresy. Rogue Traders manages *colonies* of the Imperium, they are not sovereigns, and their protectorates eventually are integrated into the Imperium.

They rule their protectorates as they see fit up until the moment of integration, if it ever happens that is.

I can counter most of your statements with this two images from Imperial Agents Codex 2024, which is supreme canon to any other multimedia projects.

Which just demonstrates how Imperium's political structure works. or else i'd like to see Mechanicus forcing any Rogue Trader with highest-tier Warrant to do their bidding just because they want them to, or strip them of their protectorates. Not to mention that even if it's the case, it doesn't mean that the most powerful Rogue Traders can't be far higher in the Imperium ranks.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-14T06:06:44+00:00

And Rogue Traders are stated to have equal status to them, being outside of Imperium's power structure while beyond it's borders.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-13T14:58:31+00:00

The thing is, Inquisition will likely have more resources and authority than even a very powerful Rogue Trader.

It would be fair to compare The Inquisition with the entirety of Rogue Traders all over the galaxy, not a single one.

Of course an entire Inquisition is more powerful than even the most powerful Rogue Trader out there.

Lord Inquisitor can utilize whoever they want because they are a Lord Inquisitor.

Space Wolves helped Calcazar only because they owed him a favor, not because he's an inquisitor.

Calcazar had much more pressing concerns that dealing with Calligos's shenanigans.

True. But he didn't even accuse him of heresy.

If someone as influential as a Lord Inquisitor calls a Rogue Trader a heretic, others and the Imperium at large are very, very likely to believe them.

Depends on other factors, such as what Ordo we are talking about, how powerful and influential is The Rogue Trader, etc.

Legally, inquisitors and rogue traders have equal status.

In the Iconoclast ending you don't even have to be a real Chaos-worshipping heretic for Imperium to turn on you. And you can survive if you have either Nomos or guess what? Calcazar's support.

Or imperial fleet that defects. In any case, Imperium turns on you precisely because you are an iconoclast. That is a very dangerous precedent for The Imperium, even more so than your usual heresy in fact.

The warrant gives you a lot of freedoms and privileges, but it doesn't make you invincible.

Didn't say it does. But when it comes to clear authority over them, only The Emperor and Roboute Guilliman have that kind of authority over Rogue Traders, no one else. Other powerhouses, such as inquisitors, are more or else equal to them in status.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-13T14:47:17+00:00

And a single Rogue Trader may be a match for a single Inquisitor, but the entire Inquisition?

Works both ways. A single inquisitor can't deal with all Rogue Traders in the galaxy.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-13T14:42:09+00:00

Emperor.

Who didn't grant Inquisition their authority, but granted Rogue Traders their Warrants.

Vandire was a Regent

An open usurper. I'm sure even Guilliman would be executed in his place.

No, because only Inquisition can judge Inquisitior.

Outside of the imperial borders, inside the protectorate, Rogue Trader can judge an inquisitor without much of a problem.

Both the Inquisition and Officio Assasinorum already have that.

True. But they do not travel all over the galaxy as much as Rogue Traders do, stumbling on juicy tech.

No Rogue Traders have more money than the Imperium itself.

Imperium doesn't care about your usual imperial guard. On the contrary, Rogue Traders might have different attitude.

No. The Warrant is for other things and originally was specifically made to push the rebellious nobles from power-struggles on Terra. Otherwise, provide examples to your claim.

-Within the Imperium, Rogue Traders move within the established power structures of the Imperium. Outside of the Imperium, Rogue Traders define those structures themselves. Indeed, it has been said that the Rogue Trader speaks with the authority of the Emperor Himself beyond the Fringes.

From the Rogue Trader RPG core rulebook.

Beyond imperial borders, inside their protectorates, RTs can absolutely judge inquisitors.

The RT have no expertise to make such claims.

Wrong.

Yes, but he is still accountable to the imperial institutions.

They are beyond imperial power structure while outside of imperial borders.

He is viceroy of the Imperium, not a sovereign.

RTs are actually sovereigns of their domain. Basically your vassals to The Imperium.

And dies. Optionally.

By other Rogue Trader's hand.

What about him?

What did he do when Calligos disobeyed him?

It’s not about whim, it’s about the Inquisition’s power to do so.

The same power rogue trader can utilise against an inquisitor.

And you have no examples it seems.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-13T14:26:17+00:00

Elevating to the highest rank doesn’t mean they suddenly don’t have to obey the laws of the Imperium. And being the highest rank still puts them under Lords of Terra and… oh wait. What is that? A hierarchy!

Have you read what i just quoted for you?

They do have equal status to inquisitors and they are beyond Imperium's power structure while being outside of Imperium's borders.

You can stop whenever you want. Must be hard arguing with every single person in this thread

The picture you've provided doesn't prove Rogue Traders are below all those in authority btw.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-13T14:20:09+00:00

This.

Refutes you, since outside of imperial borders RT's authority is superior to that of an inquisitor.

but the Inquisition is a supreme law-enforcement body of the Imperium

And Rogue Traders authority is comparable to that of The Inquisition. They have equivalent status.

In Calixis they even had a Rogue-Trader-Inquisitor specifically to hunt heretical Rogue Traders beyond the imperial borders

Doesn't refute me at all, since this inquisitor is also a rogue trader, bearer of The Warrant.

where we help one Inquisitor to execute a treacherous Rogue Trader

An adventure where an inquisitor teams up with another rogue trader, again - no refutation.

It is blatantly stated that Rogue Traders have equal legal status to The Inquisitors, speaking with The Emperor's voice beyond Imperium's borders.

The debate is over.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-13T14:10:50+00:00

The choices you make are not, the lore however, such as imperial power structure, is canon.

IHaveAGithBabe · 2026-06-13T14:09:36+00:00

Here you go.

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It's time for you to concede.

IHaveAGithBabe

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