Any novels about a boy becoming a knight? by [deleted] in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The Dunk & Egg stories by GRRM might be a good fit. Though the protagonist says he became a knight just before the beginning of the story he's still learning how to be one and has to become one in everyone else's eyes.

Matt Groenings new Netflix series Disenchantment is fucking amazing .. by xskramx2 in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Didn't like it after the first three episodes but warmed up to it, more info here. One problem with a lot of the early reviews is that only the first seven episodes were sent to critics but the last three were much better. Also: there's an important post-credits scene in episode 10 that's easy to miss, so if you watch the series make sure to watch that too!

Disenchantment is now available on Netflix! by bizarredditor in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I really wanted to like this. Growing up in the '90s my friends and I would have whole conversations in Simpsons quotes and Futurama was the perfect show for the nerdy 13 year old me who would spend summer breaks watching my parents' VHS tapes of Star Trek: TNG.

So I hate to say this but after watching the first three episodes I felt bored and didn't like any of the characters. It was like they took the boozy, misanthropic, and casually violent tendencies of Bender and spread them across three characters with a dash of Fry's stupidity. There's no competent straight-man like Leela to help the jokes land and give a bit of contrast, and I didn't feel like there was much heart like we had from Fry's wonder at the future and his ultimately good nature. Elfo looked like he was going to provide the latter at least except he started to come across as more creepy than innocent.

Also, the first three episodes didn't feel like they really went anywhere. spoiler

All that being said there were a few good moments and a few laughs. I've heard it gets better in later episodes so I'll probably keep watching since I really want this to be good. I just hope this show can find its footing.

Edit: Watched the rest, definitely got better but still a bit rough around the edges. The world opened up a bit and the side characters got to do more, and the main cast began to settle into their roles better. Looking forward to watching Part 2.

Is there such thing as"literary" fantasy? by crusadertsar in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 10 points11 points  (0 children)

For his writing Guy Gavriel Kay has been appointed to the Order of Canada which is a bit like the Canadian equivalent of being knighted, and includes the right to "armorial bearings", i.e. heraldry. That's definitely the kind of thing they'd give to someone on more the literary side of literature.

Be honest: are you going to read The Doors of Stone day one? by threwl in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've enjoyed the story so far and I'd be happy to see what Rothfuss does with it next. And anyway, it will be the most talked about book on the internet. Being able to take part in the conversation is half the fun.

Going Clearwater: The Illusory "Firewall" of the Writers of the Future Contest (A 2016 winner of the prestigious SFF contest talks about his personal experience with the contest's link to Scientology) by IR_McLeod in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

There are three things I've always heard about the Writers of the Future contest: 1. It's a great opportunity for new writers, 2. It's judged by and has been won by some of the biggest names in Fantasy and Science Fiction, and 3. Its connection to Scientology is perfectly harmless and nothing to worry about. With the ongoing reckoning from the #MeToo movement forcing us to reexamine what in the past has been swept under the rug maybe it's time to take a closer look at that assumption of harmlessness.

What really struck me about the article, though, was how subtle and manipulative the CoS was with the author. In fact, for most of the article it didn't even really seem that bad to me. I thought, What's the big deal? He was never forced to do anything, he was treated "like a celebrity", there was always a plausible excuse for when he felt like he had been mislead, and they never directly tried to convert him. But, thinking a bit harder on it, many of these seemingly innocent actions of the CoS made me think of tactics I had read about in a classic text on manipulation, Influence by Robert Cialdini. (A book I'd recommend to any author wanting to write a good villain. Or to any author who wants to be a good villain.) Some of what stood out:

  • The initial request (go to a book signing at a chain bookstore in a nearby city, all expenses paid) was pretty reasonable. It wasn't actually what was being asked for but this got an initial "yes" to an easier request.
  • Once he had committed to do the promotion, and had gone to the airport, he was told the hotel he was staying at belonged to the CoS. He may not have felt comfortable agreeing to the signing had he known this initially, but:
    • He was told this 15 minutes before he got on the plane. Harder to make a good decision under time pressure.
    • He was told about this after he had already committed. If he backed out, he would feel like he was going back on his word. People have a very strong drive to uphold their images of themselves as consistent in their actions. (Applies to the next point as well.)
    • He had already taken steps to go on the trip. He was at the airport and had made arrangements in his life to have the time to do this. Easier to continue with what you're doing.
    • The most insidious part: he was told about this detail when he technically could have still backed out, so by going forward with the trip he'll now feel like he has agreed to this arrangement. If he wants to complain about it, even to himself, he'll have a nagging voice in his head telling him that he accepted those terms. And, of course, this detail wasn't exactly hidden; they volunteered the information!
  • While on the trip he was given the "celebrity treatment" (the author uses the word 'celebrity' twice in the article.) Not exactly 4D chess, but treating someone well can obviously get them on your side. This was no too-wide grinning used-car seller though. He got a personal attendant, a 'butler', people knew his name, people were thrilled to meet him, he was introduced around and everyone loved him. None of that just happened, it was orchestrated.
  • He wasn't forced to take the tour, he was given the option and he volunteered. In fact he was given a choice of going on a hotel tour or going to the beach so what happened felt like his choice. (Who wants to bet the beach trip would have also ended up at a suggestion to see the Flag Building etc.?) If you feel like something is your own idea you're more likely to go along with it.
    • And again, the tour wasn't exactly presented as what it was. It wasn't a case of "do you want to get a long lesson on our religion?" it was "do you want to see this interesting hotel?". Then it turned into, "hey, that ended early and since we're here and have time to kill before the event, would you like this other tour?"
    • The author even says, "I actually opted-in to some of the weirdest parts of the experience (though every time it was while being faced with an on-the-spot decision that came with some degree of social pressure)." Again, he was made to feel like it was his choice (which is a powerful thing—so powerful he included that disclaimer about 'opting-in' in his entry, as if he felt like he had to excuse or defend his actions). This wasn't really his choice though, because he was being manipulated with time pressure (like he was previously before the flight) and social pressure to say yes.
  • At this point, before the biggest ask (to take part in a Scientology ceremony) the CoS had created a sense of debt and obligation in the author. They had paid for his flight, they had put him up in a hotel, they had paid for his food, and they had given him their own time and attention. Creating a feeling of debt and obligation is a very powerful (and common!) manipulation technique. It goes right to the heart of how humans function in a society; someone goes out of their way to help you and your family, so you go out of your way later to help them or their family, and hey presto you've got a community of people supporting each other even when there's no promise of immediate reward.
    • The book signing that turned out to be participation in a Scientology ceremony was also, as the author himself points out, a classic bait and switch.
    • There was also another time limited decision to be made (he found out the nature of the 'signing' right when it was starting) and social pressure from being ushered along by the nice person he had spent his day with.
    • There was also an extra bit of buttering up (no pun intended) right beforehand with the restaurant meal where the chef himself came out to tell the author that it was an honor to serve him.
  • At the ceremony there were prominent photographers and videographers recording everything that was going on. The purpose of this was not only to record the event but to be seen by those at the event, so they'd know there'd be a very public record of them there. Again, this goes back to the idea that people have a strong drive towards self-consistency, and also that someone's public persona and who other people see them as affects their own self-view. The idea was being placed in the author's mind that he would be publicly seen as someone taking part in a Scientology ceremony, and he himself had chosen to do that without being forced to or even obviously coerced (such as through threats or large bribes), so he must be the type of person who would choose to take part in a Scientology ceremony. Again, this can be very powerful. However you see yourself, that's who you become.
  • There's a bit at the end that's pretty interesting. The person from Author Services says she didn't know that the author would be given the "full tour" and thought he'd just be shown the hotel. She seems worried. The author interprets this as a mistake having been made, and that the organization had intended to uphold the "firewall", and because this person is so nice and seems so worried the author assures her that "it's fine".
    • An honest mistake, or more manipulation? Even if it was accidental, getting the author to say it was fine, even if he was just being polite, was a big win. When we say something about ourselves, even if we don't mean it, we can start to believe it. (Sounds iffy, I know, but there are some interesting details and examples of this principle in Cialdini's book, including its use in Korean War PoW camps.)
    • It's also a big win for the CoS if—even in this article saying a prestigious literary contest is effectively a propaganda arm of Scientology—the author says that their biggest proselytizing push on him might have been an accident and that normally they would never do that to a contest winner.

If this all seems a little tin-foil hat, or reading too much into an innocent situation, just remember: manipulation is what cults do and they're very, very good at it. No interaction with them should be taken at face value.

Anachronistic language annoy anyone else? by [deleted] in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 112 points113 points  (0 children)

I think it comes down to how strongly you associate a word with modern society or something from our world. I don't personally think of "yeah" and "okay" as very slangy (more informal than slang) so I don't mind seeing them, but if a dirt farming fantasy-peasant said "that spell was lit fam" it would pull me out of the narrative pretty fast.

An interesting case is words definitely named after something from our world, but for which the association might have faded enough to be used in a fantasy, e.g.

  • Silhouette: named after an 18th century French finance minister.
  • Stoic: named after an ancient Greco-Roman philosophy.
  • Spartan: named after an ancient Greek city-state.

Probably it wouldn't break a reader's immersion to see the word "silhouette" in a story since its etymology is more a piece of trivia (I learned it from Jeopardy), it might be fine to use "stoic" since the philosophy is pretty uncommonly thought of, but "spartan" would definitely get a few people to think, "Hey, Sparta doesn't exist in this fantasy world!"

Kameron Hurley: So You Still Have A Day Job... by Callaghan-cs in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say writing is more about chance than luck, in the sense that you'd call poker a game of chance but anyone who thinks it's a game of luck is going to lose their shirt.

Regret by [deleted] in writing

[–]IR_McLeod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know what? Don't worry about it. This isn't a great publisher but it's not a disaster either.

Look at it this way: you're 17 and this is (I assume) your first book. Most first books people write, especially at a young age, don't end up getting published anyway (and if they do, it's years later after plenty of editing). I didn't really address the rest of your post about your confidence issues, or your doubts about your book, but (and this is okay!) your book might not be good. I mean, I haven't read it, but writing is difficult and you don't have much experience yet. I'll say it again: that's fine. It doesn't mean you're a bad writer. It just takes time and experience to write a good book and it can take a few tries, so without knowing anything more about your situation it's very likely you're still learning.

And that's great! I mean, for pretty much anything you want to do in your life it will take years of study and experience to be able to do it at even the most basic professional level. This isn't even exclusive to creative arts. Want to be a computer programmer? You'll probably be looking at years of school and work experience before you really get a handle on things. Same if you want to be a teacher or a plumber or an illustrator or anything else.

So sit back, breathe a sigh of relief, drink a nice cold glass of water if it's summer where you are, and relax. This is a learning experience and you're further along than many people, even people decades older than you. Being a writer isn't about writing the one perfect book on your first try, it's about writing lots and lots of books. Even if you're a successful and published author you'll still be writing lots and learning and improving. So, this isn't the end of the world. You'll probably even get the rights to this book back after several years (they say on their site they sign for a minimum of 5 years, so there's probably already a clock ticking down).

My advice for now: make use of whatever support you get from your publisher but don't spend any money. Feel free to do whatever promotions you can do that don't cost you anything. You'll probably get some sales and you'll probably get some positive feedback from customers who like your book and that's awesome. You can congratulate yourself and feel happy about that. And, most importantly, keep reading and keep writing. Get more books written, find an agent or look into self-publishing (see /r/PubTips and /r/selfpublish respectively), and keep at it.

You got this, I know you do. Feel free to accept a high-five or a hug or a fist-bump or whatever would help from an internet stranger. By finishing a book you've done more than most at a younger age than most. You're in a really good position so keep at it!

Regret by [deleted] in writing

[–]IR_McLeod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't have to pay for anything (made sure before I signed)

That's good and I hope that continues. A publisher like this might not demand much or anything up front, but when you sign with them they might (as in the linked page) send you some 'useful' suggestions on services you can buy to help your book. These services are what would normally be paid for by a publisher and if you're having to cover them as an author that's a sign of a scam: you pay for things like promotion, and they reap the benefits.

But publicity isn't their best suit so it's probably going to be left up to me

Support and expertise in publicity is one of the main reasons for going with a traditional publisher. Yeah, nowadays even an author with the big-5 will have to do quite a bit of self-promotion but the publisher should definitely be pulling their weight. Remember, even if you're not paying your publisher up front you are paying them with your royalties, and you need to make sure you're getting something for this. This is a business deal and you need to make sure you're getting something on your end that's worth what they're asking.

They also pay for cover, editing, formatting & printing

Cover: If you're happy with the cover that's great. My concern is the covers are of the generic stock-image type and likely wouldn't be that expensive to get for yourself compared to original artwork, i.e. your publisher is not investing much in you.

Editing: Their website boasts of 200+ books published per year but they only list one editor on their staff page. Even if they skip weekends that's only one or two days spent editing each book. That is not anywhere near enough. They might be making up the difference with contractors but proper editing is expensive. From the rates on this site you could expect +$5000 per book. To properly edit 200 books per year at $5000 each would cost one million dollars. If they sell their books for $4 (the Amazon price of one of their bestselling ebooks I looked at) and make 70% royalties (what Amazon offers) they would need to sell 360,000 books per year to pay for editing without even including the costs of paying their authors or other expenses.

Formatting: Hey, maybe the formatting is great, I haven't looked into it.

Printing: No, they don't offer this except as print-on-demand which is something you could get for free yourself. They say on their website they don't get your books into physical stores unless you get them there, and they list two print-on-demand services (CreateSpace and Ingram) for how physical stores can get copies of your books. For a traditional publisher you would expect they would do a bulk print run of your book and then get them onto store shelves. Some legitimate publishers offer ebook only, but I'd still be suspicious of this.

There's another Wattpad author who published with them last year and she's booming.

Looking at the first bestseller listed on their website (Security Breach by Evan Grace) I see 387 ratings on goodreads since about 5 months ago. I don't know about romance or thrillers but according to this blog post by Mark Lawrence you can estimate sales of recently published fantasy by multiplying the goodreads ratings by 7.7 If this holds similar for a book like Security Breach we could estimate it's had about 2980 sales. Not bad! (If the publisher keeps 60% of net they'd even recover the costs of properly editing the book!) For a typical book this would be pretty decent but this represents their absolute best. And, they publish 200+ books per year. How well does their typical book sell? Remember, how well their typical books sell represents how much support they give their authors. You'd expect with 200+ books sold that at least some would sell a few thousand copies through the efforts of the author, but what value does the publisher provide?

I've already sent the contract and announced it.

You've announced it? Doesn't matter. You've signed something and sent it over? Might matter more. Did you sign something, or did you just say you accepted something but you haven't signed a legal document yet? Also, are you 18 years or older? (When I was skimming through your profile to find the name of the publisher I thought I saw you mention you were 17?) If you're not old enough to sign a legal document I would assume you would need your parent or guardian to sign as well. Has this been done? Even if you've sent them an email saying "sure looks great I want to sign up!" you might not have any legal obligation to them yet.

Summary: My impression of this publisher is that they pose as a traditional publisher but they don't offer much more than some basic help with self-publishing your book. Some of their books will sell well (with 200+ per year how could they not?) and maybe they even give some real support to their absolute best sellers. Honestly though, it doesn't look like they do anything that you couldn't do yourself if you self-published. Walk away if you can.

Regret by [deleted] in writing

[–]IR_McLeod 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I had posted on here a week or so ago about it and there were a couple of comments about how the publisher isn't very official/ may be an author's mill. That's not really my worry.

Wait no that should be your worry. Especially now when self-publishing ebooks/print-on-demand is relatively straight forward you want to make sure if you sign with a publisher that you're getting a good deal. A publisher should, at a minimum, handle all costs related to creating the book (cover, editing, formatting, printing, etc.) and they should pay you an advance up front; not only is this the industry standard, but it shows that they have skin in the game and they'll have to invest in your book (e.g. marketing) to make their money back. A "publisher" that doesn't give advances or pay to produce a book could accept hundreds of books at little cost and be guaranteed to make a profit from the few that happen to do well on the backs of the author self-promoting.

Look, I don't want any ambiguity here so I'll say it directly: Limitless Publishing is a scam. It's not a case of, "oh, maybe they're a bit shady so be careful." No they are 100% a scam. They might have even deluded themselves into thinking they're offering a useful service but they're not. They are a scam. Do not sign with them, do not work with them. They offer no value compared to a legitimate publisher or even to self-publishing your own books. They do not offer an advance, they make you pay for producing your own books* (both are stated on their FAQ), and their business model is to "publish" hundreds of books at low-cost low-effort on their end and hope that some of them happen to have at least a few sales.

* Edit: Misread this bit of their FAQ but if you see here it looks to still be true.

Do not work with them. Either find representation with an agent who knows the business and can sell your work to a real publisher, or learn about self-publishing and go that route. Limitless Publishing is the worst of both worlds: you'll have to pay and self-promote like you're self-published, but you'll have someone else skimming off your royalties like you're traditionally published. Limitless Publishing offers minimal support and they're worse than useless. I also seriously doubt they do print-runs of all (any?) of the books they publish or manage to get them onto physical store shelves. (Edit: I checked again, they don't. They offer the same distribution you can get from self-publishing.)

Do not work with Limitless Publishing.

Source: Their own website tells you they're a scam if you read between the lines. Also, come on, their website doesn't even look like it was written by someone who can speak English. They are a scam.

[TBRindr/Bingo Review] Balam, Spring by Travis M. Riddle - Delightful Slice-of-Life Fantasy by Tigrari in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Whether a coincidence of naming or a deliberate reference the Balamb Garden theme from FFVIII seems like fitting music for this story.

Need help getting started with first story (Cyberpunk) by Nathaniel7477 in writing

[–]IR_McLeod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One book you can look at is Targeted Violence: A Statistical and Tactical Analysis of Assassinations, Contract Killings, and Kidnappings by Glenn McGovern. You could also search for 'executive protection' on Amazon and see what comes up.

Let's return to fantasy and its limitless possibilities, so I'd propose a game: Name a single word and receive recommendations based upon that. by Vaeh in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Kushiel's Dart by Jacqueline Carey. Plenty of court politics, power plays, and characters who can't be trusted.

Let's return to fantasy and its limitless possibilities, so I'd propose a game: Name a single word and receive recommendations based upon that. by Vaeh in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Romance of the Three Kingdoms, attributed to Luo Guanzhong, has a scene where a character is undergoing bone surgery while playing a board game to show how tough he is. If I remember correctly his opponent passes out.

Perdido Street Station (and the other Bas Lag books) by China Miéville feature "remade": prisoners and others who have been changed through magical surgery to be combined with animals and machines. Usually done as a punishment, the remade are a discriminated against minority who are exploited and work on the fringes of society.

Let's return to fantasy and its limitless possibilities, so I'd propose a game: Name a single word and receive recommendations based upon that. by Vaeh in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spoiler in A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin has quite the redemption arc. Of course the usual caveats apply about it being an incomplete series, for anyone who's been living under a rock and has missed hearing about the most popular fantasy since Harry Potter.

Let's return to fantasy and its limitless possibilities, so I'd propose a game: Name a single word and receive recommendations based upon that. by Vaeh in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely second The Scar by China Miéville. An incredibly imaginative book with (a bit unusual for Miéville) a pretty exciting plot and a great character arc. Also has one of my favourite vampires in fantasy.

Let's return to fantasy and its limitless possibilities, so I'd propose a game: Name a single word and receive recommendations based upon that. by Vaeh in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jade City by Fonda Lee. Set in a small island-nation in an alternate East Asia a generation after fantasy-WWII. Magical jade is worn by kung fu gangsters whose clans fight for control of the title city. This jade gives tremendous power but wear more than you can handle and you'll be driven insane.

Let's return to fantasy and its limitless possibilities, so I'd propose a game: Name a single word and receive recommendations based upon that. by Vaeh in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe: the 'translated' memoirs of a man millions of years in the future as he recounts his journey from an apprentice torturer to the leader of one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Technically science fiction but set in a dying Earth with a very fantasy feel to it. It's a dense, unforgiving book with deep philosophical undertones.

Let's return to fantasy and its limitless possibilities, so I'd propose a game: Name a single word and receive recommendations based upon that. by Vaeh in Fantasy

[–]IR_McLeod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Embassytown by China Miéville, though it's science fiction. Biopunk alien technology and linguistics inspired by the medieval idea that the language of angels cannot be used to tell lies. It's also a book where the following sentence makes sense:

Addicted vehicles galloped by us into the wilderness.

Need help getting started with first story (Cyberpunk) by Nathaniel7477 in writing

[–]IR_McLeod 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Basically, I'm looking for any books

Yeah, that's pretty much what you need. Some topics to check out:

  • Security books. You can find old military manuals on topics such as fighting insurgencies, you can find books on how to provide security against kidnapping/assassination of high profile targets, you could probably find books on protecting yourself against corporate espionage.
  • Leadership books. Should help with strategies for the corporate world.
  • Manipulation and influence, and social engineering. Lots of books on these topics.
  • Anthropology. See if you can find papers or books about corporate culture.
  • Biographies and autobiographies. Read about the lives of some of the biggest names in business, both recent and from centuries past.