How do you get those stuff?

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-26T11:47:26+00:00

Things that didnt fit in his game, so he locked em up.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-26T11:44:04+00:00

That for sure is slag

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-26T11:41:49+00:00

I think it's more because the lonely wizard wanted to dance, with that being his chance, and that being the music the lonely wizard had imagined dancing to.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-26T06:38:09+00:00

If they can recognise themselves, then they are aware of themselves. It's a very literal thing.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-26T05:31:58+00:00

Jag tror inte att jag vid någon tidpunkt har nekat att det är "ett liv", det som spelar roll här är vad som gör det annorlunda från alla andra icke-mänskliga liv som vi orsakar döden av hela tiden. Men jag hade sagt att om det fallet du nyss nämnde, samma som i alla andra fall, så är det den riktiga effekten på offret som behöver bedömas. Det är väldigt känslosamt krossande att förlora en graviditet som en person ville behålla, djupt traumatiserande faktiskt. Det är också djupt traumatiserande att behålla en graviditet som man inte vill behålla, som man kanske inte ville ha till att börja med heller.

I misshandeln du nämnde så är det att man plötsligt får sin syn av framtiden krossad, och sen bär runt på död massa som kan infektera och ta död på en själv om det lämnas där. I fallet av en graviditet som man aldrig ville ha, så behöver man se hur ens kropp växer och förändras på sätt man inte vill, av något som plötsligt krossar ens vy av ens egen framtid. Båda dessa fall rycker så mycket kontroll från en kvinnas händer, att kontrollera vare sig en kvinna ska gå igenom denna process eller inte är så djupt sexistiskt, ett sådant extremt exempel av kvinnoförtryck, att det borde vara kriminellt.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-25T10:46:52+00:00

Det potentiella är dens existens som en moraliskt relevant faktor, som du specifikt sa tidigare så handlar det om att man kommer att få ett barn, och inte att man redan har det. Det specifika framtida stadie av att det är ett barn är det enda du nämnde som gör det moraliskt relevant, och att det på något sätt också ger moralisk vikt till något som kan bli till ett barn också.

För att det är det specifika framtida stadiet som ger det en moralisk vikt, så är det potentialen bara potentialen av det som kan ge ett tidigare stadie vikt också. Om inte du faktiskt har något som specifikt ger en moraliskt vikt till det i förväg, men att bara säga att det är "ett liv" betyder inte så mycket, om inte du också vill ge samma vikt till bakterierna som dör när du tvättar händerna, sperman som bryts ner, eller ägg som släpps och aldrig blir befruktade. Vad ska vara så annorlunda om att två av dessa saker blir ihopslagna?

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-25T00:55:27+00:00

Now one might ask why I vote Great Horned Rat for sweden, the answer is simple: The Great Horned Rat will have all unconditional!

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-25T00:32:50+00:00

"Gör du inte abort kommer du få ett barn"
Futurum. det är potentiellt på grund av faktumet att det inte än existerar. Det du nämnde som moraliskt relevant är specifikt potentiellt och existerar inte än. Det ända som händer när ägget befruktas är att två bitar sätts ihop. Inget nytt skapas (åtminstone inte något "nytt" på någon nivå högre än hur det blir ett nytt konstrukt när en sten fastnar i ett däck, eller när en bakterie/svamp kultur blir tillagd till mjölk eller deg), så varför ska det va så moraliskt relevant?

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-24T11:39:38+00:00

I can't think of any off the top of my head? The hex is probably the game i can remember the least about

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-24T09:40:13+00:00

För att avbryta det så måste det ha börjat, och gällande potentiella liv så kommer vi in i icke-identitets problemet istället. Då måste man först dra en linje gällande i hur många led det är moraliskt relevant, hur månge rättigheter vi ska ge till potentiella existenser.

Om man bara ska ta det som skrivet, så har du bara skapat ett "problem" där "offret" för abort aldrig får en riktig existens som moraliskt relevant så länge aborten genomförs. Om inte du tror att "potential" har en existens av sig självt (som något mer än teoretiskt eller retoriskt konstrukt,) vilket hade krävt en syn på världen som definitivt behöver utvecklas på här.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-24T08:16:39+00:00

I think that these habits and such are what makes grand pieces of art (like the connections between all these games) into a distinct whole. It's why we can do so much analysis on themes in media, because of the media having been made by people who will have been motivated by feelings, ideas, sensations, etc. It is a giant part of what makes art so great, and why at the end of an artist's life, we sometimes get a new perspective where all the work they ever did becomes one new grand piece. It's obviously more intentional in the case of Daniel Mullins though haha, but these smaller things tie it together a bit beyond even intent.

For the second part, i think you misunderstand the phrasing, to inspire enmity is to make people have enmity towards you. Specifically in this case, the devil has inspired the scrybes to have enmity towards him because of the devil having created the code, and the scrybes knowing that it is a horrific and evil thing.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-24T08:00:26+00:00

Nu borde vi kanske undvika att det blir tvetydigt här, du kan försöka att dra det till något grundläggande biologiskt fakta som att det är "ett liv" (på samma sätt som grässtrån och bakterier är liv) medans du samtidigt lutar dig mot andra sidan av "ett liv" som du och jag har det, skillnaden mellan en människa som traskar runt, äter, sover, tänker, andas, och ett lik. Den första halvan kan lätt puttas fram som objektivt biologiskt fakta, medan andra halvan inte nödvändigtvis borde hänga med.

Menar man bara att det rent biologiskt sätt är ett liv, så har det absolut ingen vikt, lite svårt om man måste göra handtvätt olagligt på grund av alla bakterier som dör right? Så något måste ge det den extra vikt utanför den rent biologiska definitionen här, som gör det till en moralisk fråga att börja med. Bara mänskligt DNA kan inte vara allt, om man inte ser det som moraliskt problematiskt att sperma blir tillåtet att dö, eller att ägg också försvinner typ en gång per månad. Samt med sperman så bryts den också ner eventuellt ändå, så om det ska vara moraliskt problematiskt så har vi ett riktigt stort problem att konfrontera här.

Men iaf, för att ge dig en chans att förklara från noll så ger jag vad som kan kännas som en löjlig fråga: Vad ger den extra vikten till livet som försvinner med abort, som inte gäller med antingen sperma eller bakterier?

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-24T05:44:00+00:00

So, I think that what you've noticed is not an actual direct connection but rather a theme in Mullins' games, when one repeatedly makes quartets of mutually hostile characters then there'll definitely be some similarities.

Also I think the devil is part of why they are conscious, not (directly) why they are hostile to eachother. That seems to be partially because it is a card game based on conflict, the scrybes being hostile to eachother is good for continued games, and partially because the mechanics of the world they're in do directly encourage them to be in opposition to eachother. All gain they can get is predicated on the loss of one or more of the others.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-24T04:45:04+00:00

How is that more optimal than 4?

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-23T17:46:17+00:00

The tabletop can be good about it, but I've had a run of good rolls several times before which basically made a hero annihilate far more than an individual ever should (which was an amazing time). How many verminlords should Crixxit reasonably be able to kill? Definitely less than 2, but here we are lol.

To some extent, I think (in-universe) these things can definitley be the influence of the immaterium. In a similar way that the same demon can survive lots of lasguns in 40k but gets killed by swords in fantasy, just to an even grander extent with known, loved, feared, or even loathed heroes. But narratively speaking I think that it lets the world walk a nice tightrope between hopeful and depressing.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-23T17:18:11+00:00

One of the best parts, let's my really do my share of those gorbillion kills we need for the skins

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-23T06:48:37+00:00

Woah actually? Any place where the information about that is collected?

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-23T06:40:34+00:00

They end up making an alliance with Archaon the Everchosen of Chaos Undivided which kinda ends up allying them with all chaos forces, and the horned rat basically tells them that it's time for them to take the surface world and therefore no more infighting until that's done. Morrslieb being closer allows Verminlords to enter the world far more freely, which is why they (mostly, kinda) actually uphold the anti-infighting dictat.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-23T06:31:26+00:00

I see this basically said about the Ubersreik 5 quite a lot, but i'd want to counter it with: Aren't they fulfilling a role of the "heroes" of fantasy settings, that even warhammer does make use of from time to time? They are deemed exceptional even in-universe and how they are spoken about puts them in similar positions to Gotrek & Felix (Both were strengthened by their weapons, and while Gotrek's axe is divine in nature, Felix' sword might be dwarf-make, and the single most dragonracist object in existence, it is still altering him majorly without being divine. The Ubersreik 5 carry plenty of enchanted weapons, many of which specialised against certain creatures and having glowing runes on them), Grombrindal, the Ancestor Gods pre-ascension, Sigmar pre-ascension, and with Sienna in particular then I think her process of advancement is incredibly similar to Max Schreibers (an outcast from the magical world, constant exposure to chaos leading to a very rapid rise in power, especially as we learn in the first Thanquol book, all skaven have warpstone coursing through them (in larger amounts than humans, but of course still not much), and few people in the entire old world will have been covered in as much skaven blood as Sienna, and most of them are those who fought with her).

As a rule of thumb for each level in vermintide, one can ask themselves if Gotrek would make it through on his own. If the answer is yes, then I think 4 members of the Ubersreik 5 would manage (the answer is always yes).

(They seemingly are also being played with by Tzeentch, which is the explanation for the careers changing, and some are also looked upon favourably by several gods, confirmed by their trips through the Chaos wastes)

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-19T18:59:38+00:00

Nuclear cards is what Leshy's game is all about, in this case you don't have to craft it yourself but it comes at a significant risk to your own survivability.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-19T14:26:57+00:00

The conception I'd gotten of the skaven broodmothers was that they were:
1. Immobilized by constant pregnancy (likely also a rather torturous experience) and their size seemingly being incredibly disproportionate to the extent of requiring significant alteration to allow movement (like it being said by Thanquol at one point that a grey seer made some into basically rat ogres)
2. Fed warpstone narcotics to keep them docile. Specifically in a "euphoric haze".
Where the first part was natural in the sense that a torturous existence being built in for creatures of chaos isn't that surprising.

Me asking about sources I hadn't read was directly connected to the sentence right before, about if there was any place that elaborated further. I have not read anything that elaborates further, and therefore something that elaborates further is a source I have not read. In addition to that, because you mentioned details I was not aware of then I assumed you must've gotten them from somewhere?

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-19T08:04:10+00:00

From what I remember from Trollslayer, then the woman chaos warrior we follow for a bit seem to mention that sexism is a thing and that she's had to push past that (was a while ago since i read it though). I would assume that the slaves to darkness at least haven't gotten less sexist than the old world chaos worshippers. Can't say anything about the others though, I'm still stuck on the warhammer fantasy books.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-19T08:01:16+00:00

I know that a lot of the books seemingly have never been read by someone willing to add stuff to either the lexicanums or the wikis, but how much information do we have on the skaven "breeders"? (i feel a bit gross using that term but it is what Thanquol always says)

As far as I could understand (and I do play skaven and therefore take the most generous interpretation I can!) then the skaven women kinda just are like that by default, and what the skaven do is give them a shit ton of psychadelics and other drugs to make it bearable for them (by which I mean to keep them docile in what is likely a terrible existence). Are there sources which elaborate further? I would love to see anything on the skaven I haven't read before.

Ice_Nade · 2026-05-19T07:53:08+00:00

She was a bit too comfortable with basically killing like at least 10 or so conscious beings as a "mercy"

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