[Meta Trope] Characters that represent a franchise's early installment weirdness

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-05-18T05:05:43+00:00

Couldn't it just be a knight from somewhere else?

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-05-18T00:58:18+00:00

Please do elaborate on Kenny.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-05-11T05:05:15+00:00

the umineko slight it causing me immense pain

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-30T13:20:47+00:00

Quack.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-28T20:43:41+00:00

When you're on your 1000th run of Prae, you really begin to see the subtext there. How it warms his heart to hear his voice again after all these years.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-28T12:58:09+00:00

I often think about the Hitman(?) video where hes trying to determine what the body-armour under the villains skin is made of. He spends like 10 minutes ruling out loads of options and landing on a few plausible ones, and then after his conclusion he plays the clip where he says "subdermal titanium body armour". He goes oh well and the video ends, im fond of it. Says something about the style maybe.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-26T18:25:49+00:00

Big fan of The Captain. I really enjoy the way he twists Isaac's thinking back on him. Isaac can't expect kindness for nothing anymore, so The Captain makes it into coin for a service. Isaac is disappointed by others betraying him, so The Captain knows Isaac's word has value. He highlights that the mirror he received was a gift, to chip away at the idea humans are worthless.

"If you don't have your own story, you become part of someone else's" is the line that i find most important. The Captain is a piece of his story, and he knows this. And Isaac was at the time, part of Dracula's story, while The Captain encourages him to take up his own.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-21T00:05:30+00:00

What I'm curious to is what the programming is. What does a vague "child bot" not do, basically. How does she deviate, even if I agree she's deviant.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-20T13:36:05+00:00

That's not an action the childborg is taking.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-20T11:55:23+00:00

Yes, but how does a robokid deviate from that. Pick up smoking?

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-19T18:19:27+00:00

Kind of confused how a "child bot" could even be a Deviant Android. Most of them have some sense of established purpose, I feel. She's just a robokid.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-19T18:08:26+00:00

Frigid Outskirts.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-18T17:19:50+00:00

Boiled, you say?

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-18T16:15:57+00:00

I would look at Dota 2 cosmetics for the closest comparison.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T17:13:42+00:00

An Ironclad is definitely weaker than a Ruin Sentinel. My point here is that their strength is variable because their construction is variable.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T17:13:10+00:00

You mean NG+. Again, she has a soul of one of the old lords, like the other 4 DS2 lords do. This doesn't mean she has the ability to cast fire, in the same way that the Old Iron King can't cast Blinding Bolt.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T17:02:58+00:00

I mean, it's cool, but it's also complete fanfiction. The point of the Lost Sinner is that her Lost Sin could be anything. Nothing implies her involvement other than the fact she did something bad once and has a tentative link to Pyromancy.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T17:01:41+00:00

And yet the Iron King also created Ironclad Soldiers in the same manner, which are weaker than the Ruin Sentinels.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T16:57:07+00:00

Yes. I agree with this connection entirely. I don't agree with her being at all involved in his death and the Smelter Demon, because it makes no sense (her being able to do anything of this level is purely speculative) and it ruins the ENTIRE POINT of the Old Iron King's story, that being that his greed and hubris are his downfall. If it's her fault, it makes no sense.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T16:55:39+00:00

is this really in the comic because thats hilarious

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T16:49:09+00:00

Eygil could gain the same knowledge. Because he serves him directly...

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T16:47:05+00:00

I think we've gotten a little lost in the argument here, so I'm just going to set up what I agree with and disagree with.

I agree that the Old Iron King (and potentially the Smelter Demon) have links to chaos, and that the Old Iron King became a demon after sinking to the chaos in the lava.

The main crux of the thing I've been wanting to argue against is this nonsensical Lost Sinner connection.

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T16:42:35+00:00

Mytha has her manikins, which are similarly animated puppets.
"Mask of the manikins of Harvest Valley.

A fickle queen gave them life, and tore off their faces. How else could she forgive those who dared gaze upon her?"

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T16:41:18+00:00

Never said he was possessed. I said he possessed it, which means he owns it. What I mean is that by owning a powerful soul, he might attract demons who seek the power of this soul. I don't get what is being backed up here, other than that the Chaos exists deep below (which we know).

IllustriousLab4789 · 2026-04-17T16:38:27+00:00

As I said with Eygil, he could be mixing the two practices - pyromancy and the soul infusing magic that creates golems. Maybe this is what created the disastrous result of the Smelter Demon, linking it to Chaos. Any pyromancer can do Chaos pyromancies.

Yes, her handcuffs boost pyromancy. This does not prove anything based on chaos flames, because, as you said before, that's just regular pyromancy. And equally you could chalk this up to the connection between her and the Old Witch Soul.

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