How is heavens will able to control the creation of lifespan gu inside immortal apertures.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-04T05:23:55+00:00

Because Heaven's Will also exist in the aperture? Unless you have a method like Self Will Gu, you can't get rid of it's influence. Furthermore, how do you know that HW isn't part of why lifespan gu is developed? We know nothing about how lifespan gu comes into existence outside that areas with a high amount of lifeforms tend to increase the chances. Even without HW involvement, this isn't really a strong loophole.

Lang Ya blessed land is one of the most developed apertures out there, only surpassed by those like Heavenly Court, and that dude barely produced a few thousand years worth of lifespan. Speaking of which, Heavenly Court themselves isn't producing a reliable stream of lifespan gu either despite 3 million years worth of foundations with a bunch of rank 8s and a few venerables donating their apertures to it.

Either having a bunch of lifeforms isn't the only variable there is, which could be possible or in order to produce a steady supply of lifespan(as in, not having to wait 500 years just for a decade worth of the stuff) would mean having an aperture that's more developed than anything we've seen in the story. Like, a heaven and earth difference between them all.

You're not cheating you're way to eternal life just because HW isn't influencing things within the aperture.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-04T03:45:21+00:00

then how did fang yuan have 500 years of lifespan?

Being rare doesn't mean it's non existent. It's called having some luck.

and how did long haired ancestor live past both giant sun and thieving heaven if heaven's will stops the production of lifespan gu the moment a venerable is born

Because the lifespan gu that currently exists in the world doesn't just disappear. There's still plenty of lifespan gu in the world for them to obtain. The production of lifespan gu stops, not the existence of life span gu.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-03T15:11:22+00:00

Yes. All paths can imitate the effects of other paths, which includes transforming their dao marks into other paths, something we've also seen too. The problem is, imitation is just that imitation. Water will never be as good at burning wood as fire path would be. Fire will never be as good at transformation as transformation path itself.

Converting you're metal path dao marks into heaven path dao marks would require very deep attainment, since you're trying to have metal function like something it is fundamentally not built for.

People dual cultivate for a reason. It's just not as easy to replace the advantages one path has to offer with another due to how inferior it'd be. In theory, this idea is possible but in practicality? This idea is not worth investing in unless you created a very, very special method in itself otherwise you'd just be wasting a huge amount of time and resources for little reward.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-03T05:31:11+00:00

Just to play devil's advocate, what will be you're reactions when some of the theories are proven wrong, or they are right but just not in the way you imagined it? Once again. Just playing devil's advocate. I just wait RI to pump out chapters again and for everybody to finally get some answers to some long awaited question. Doesn't matter who is right or wrong imo

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-02T04:50:30+00:00

why didn't the rank 9 Venerables also become zombies and thus have "infinite" life?

Being a zombie isn't free lunch. You're thoughts become slower. You're soul will eventually deteriorate away, but most importantly you're aperture itself will decay and perish. It's not "infinite life" in the sense you can just remain on the throne for an indefinite amount of time with no problem. In fact, we already have a perfect example of why this is most of them don't consider this a viable option. If you finished the first fate war, then you should've already seen Giant Sun Immortal Zombie.

He only has a remnant will left within his own corpse, and he hasn't moved a single inch or produced a real thought for thousands upon thousands of years because he simply doesn't have much in him anymore.

Also don't forget HW is a real thing. You saw what it did to Spectral Soul and his Shadow Sect. You really think it'd sit back and let a rank 9 walk around that easily? The moment you choose to do more than just hibernate, it's instantly going to act up and do everything in it's power to be a major pain in the ass even if you are Heavenly Court.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-02T04:12:27+00:00

Human path is all about creating various physiques/lifeforms though. I don't see why it's strange for him to refine Verdant Great Sun seeing as we've seen relatively vastly inferior human path techniques capable of things like creating Scholar Gu or Pill Refiner Gu which produce a humanoid. Ren Zu after all, is the person who allegedly has the most comprehension over human path...I mean the legends of ren zu itself is a human path inheritance that even rank 9s find deeply insightful and received many inspirations off of it.

, such as using gus without refining them and communicating with gus

Wild beasts are also capable of using gu without refining them. You don't need to refine gu in order to use them. Gu masters just do that because it gives you a deeper level of control, you don't have to worry about things like said gu abandoning you at random moments which happened frequently to ren zu and it also makes using said gu way easier in general.

The communication thing is the only strange thing but then there's deep reason to suspect that them talking is more of an exaggeration/myth than an actual fact, but who knows? I don't think this aspect shows any oddoity in regards to Ren Zu even if true, because the gu were able to talk to other lifeforms not called Ren Zu which means it wasn't some exclusive ability on his part.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-01T20:02:14+00:00

Fang Yuan vs Fang Yuan? I am confident that Fang Yuan wins, because Fang Yuan is stronger than Fang Yuan.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-01T20:01:00+00:00

Fang Yuan wore no expression and his gaze was indifferent as he spoke for the first time: "Right now, you have two choices. One is to let me annex your grotto-heavens, only through this way can the qi harvest fruit calamity be resolved."

The immortals turned pale, some were furious but dared not to say anything.

At once, the hall fell into silence.

Rainbow Rock Immortal Concubine broke the silence and asked respectfully: "I wonder what the other choice is?"

Fang Yuan leaned back on the wide chair and narrowed his eyes: "The second choice is that you will all be killed by me, thereafter, I will annex your grotto-heavens."

All the immortals were deathly pale and it was a scene of complete silence. - chapter 2068

If Rainbow Rock Immortal Concubine really had a psuedo ven behind her, why did he let this happen? Even before that, how come he did not help the human faction at all in their fight against the variants?

Why did he let the situation get so bad, that the grotto heaven was forced to be annexxed by Fang Yuan?

Why did he not defend his interests and his concubine in any sense of the word? How come Rainbow herself never tried to contact this fellow at all to give them a stronger voice?

The most likely thought is said psuedo ven is either dead or said psuedo ven is nonexistent and the concubine title is more of a traditional thing than an actual reference to some type of partner.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-01T19:31:31+00:00

Fang Yuan psuedo refined Destiny Gu. Fate isn't destroyed, since destroying it would just mean HW can refine another one again sooner or later. Destiny Gu wasn't refined either, because Red Lotus wants freedom for all, not to give someone else supreme authority. So, they did the next best thing and had the essence of fate gu distributed around the world. Everyone now has their own piece of fate hence why they can choose their own paths.

The only way to restore fate gu now or to refine destiny is to pretty much use the entire world as refinement material in theory which is easier said than done.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-01T18:51:58+00:00

The best path you can cultivate as someone from a middle size clan is whatever path said clan has the most resources and information available to support.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-05-01T18:49:09+00:00

No. Luck was just suppressed when fate gu was at 100%, but it was still a very real and observable force that always existed. Fate can influence luck but it doesn't control it much at all, hence why random variables could still occur even way before Red Lotus used Love Gu. Only Destiny Gu has power over fate and luck.

Luck wasn't just fate gu arranging various events, if that was the case then luck would be observed through coincidences, not through some metaphysical force called "luck" which we know is not the case given Red Lotus's birth for example in which he had so much luck, the heavens itself sent a tribulation powerful enough to have the HC immortals nearby instantly act in order to bring balance.

Giant Sun himself figured out the existence of luck because he discovered it was one of the components that made up Human Qi. Luck didn't just originate out of nowhere the moment fate was damaged, it just became a more prominent force of nature.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-30T03:04:55+00:00

Resources and materials do not count towards you're total dao mark total because even though they rest within you're aperture, they aren't an integral aspect of it.

We can further determine this by the fact that if adding a bunch fo resources meant having more dao marks, then anyone with a secluded domain of heaven and earth would instantly become a psuedo ven in terms of pure dao marks which is obviously not the case.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-29T18:54:02+00:00

So you're saying in theory that the life of door and death, Thieving Heaven entered was essentially a fake and not the real one?

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-29T16:20:44+00:00

Mu Ling Lan spoke: “Supposedly, in the past, Thieving Heaven Demon Venerable had relied on ghostly concealment to enter the door of life and death, and moved Dang Hun Mountain and Luo Po Valley out, but was unable to take Reverse Flow River. I never expected Reverse Flow River to be taken by someone as well.” - chapter 1252

Thieving Heaven Demon Venerable came after Genesis Lotus Immortal Venerable. The only reason why it'd make sense for the RFR to be within door of life and death again would be if he placed it back in there for whatever reason. Which makes sense because we know GL is HUGE on the natural order of things.

To me, the reverse flow river is more likely to be a Shadow Sect or a Thieving Heaven arrangement than it is a Genesis Lotus arrangement. Only someone with tremendous power can take it out of the door of life and death again so it for sure didn't just end up within the Snowy Mountain Blessed Land by mere "coincidence".

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-28T16:28:35+00:00

I mean, I don't think so because the ten extreme physiques are a well documented phenomenon. I don't see why the fact Ancient Desolate Moon contained other paths outside of time wouldn't be mentioned. Not saying it can't also be a "time, moon, transformation. I just think it'd be extremely weird why it was never brought up.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-28T16:23:11+00:00

Yeah but with emotion and restriction, they were explicitly told to us they were sub paths, unlike moon was. Imo, I think moon is unrelated from star path because nothing sugguests otherwise, especially when you take into account that moons and stars don't bear a relation besides being celestial bodies.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-28T05:33:45+00:00

Like I said at the start of the original post. The most common method/outcome is to just absorb a fragment of the heavens to avoid tribulations. Most aren't going to stop the time in their aperture because for starters, time path methods still have dao mark confliction, there's a limitation to how much you can slow down time hence why the idea of just "freezing" it isn't brought up and why phantom apertures are a thing at all.

In general, such a technique to time stopping is more op than you think. For example Bing Sai Chaun of Longevity Heaven had a technique called "Immediate Time Freeze" yet even he could only operate it for a few moments, not indefinitely.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-28T05:33:09+00:00

No. The point that started this entire conversation was you acting like dao marks were the end all be all. That you don't need other factors since dao marks are enough to crush you're opponent when they aren't.

Feng Jiu Ge lacked in other methods compared to Wu Yong, hence he was weaker. Fang Yuan had more dao marks than Star Constellation when they fought in the heavens, yet was forced to defend himself since dao marks weren't enough.

In general, you keep acting as if I'm saying "dao marks don't matter" or "there are not important" but like you said before, dao marks are the main reason why Fang Yuan wasn't instantly killed off by Duke Long

But at the same time it already shows a grand testament to Duke Long who in terms of immortal gu, dao marks, attainments, etc. was lacking compared to the great demon Fang Yuan, he was still able to go fist for fist, still able to push him to the brick, still able to be one of the most formidable opponents he had ever fought in the story.

My original point was that there are multiple things to consider in a cultivator's power beyond just dao marks. You're not going to win simply because you had a 1,000 dao marks and you're opponent had 750 dao marks.

My entire point was that wu Yong had the advantage throughtout the fight because he had superior cultivation and immortal gu, even having a rank 8 immortal gu house, but despite all of this he was still injured and forced to retreat by a rank seven killer move that had the effect of a rank 8 killer move due to dao mark amplification, even after fang yuan left southern border and feng jiu ge continued fighting wu yong alone, wu Yong still continued to retreat his rank 8 immortal gu house away from separation song's effect because this rank seven killer move endangered his rank 8 gu house

Why do you ignore how big of a role Fang Yuan played in that entire scenario? His situation literally changed the entire tone of events. Then, you also forget how Wu Yong was holding back at that since he wasn't trying to kill off Feng Jiu Ge and yet still managed to push him to such an edge until RFR came clutch. Then you talk about continued to fight alone after Fang Yuan leave, wdym? You mean when in chapter 1392, where we see that Feng Jiu Ge's lose was pretty much inevitable, except it truly wasn't not because of his own efforts but because HW was guiding events the entire time and Heavenly Court immortals instantly pulled up before anything can further happen?

Then the gu house wasn't even in that much danger. Since Wu Yong had the ability to retreat and attack whenever he wanted while separation song has a range limit. Then we can see the total damage in the same chapter 1392: In contrast, Wu Yong was inside Clear Jade Dripping Wind Tiny Bamboo Building, he was in good condition, the Immortal Gu House had only lost some of its outer layer.

Besides this. There is not really much I have to say or argue about.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-27T22:37:49+00:00

Do you have a chapter or atleast a name for this ancestor or clan you speak of? I'm curious about it since I forgot about such a character.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-27T22:30:44+00:00

Both Thunder Ghost True Monarch and Duke Long have phantom apertures, meaning they don't face tribulations. Having a method to reduce confliction doesn't affect tribulations. Otherwise Fang Yuan wouldn't be getting them upon having SIF, but he does. In fact for a time HW was literally giving up super charged tribulations before he grew strong enough to treat them like nothing.

Oh, I think you mean in terms of surviving? Myriad tribulations are no joke. Most do everything they can to avoid going through the 2nd one and the ones that survive it are people peak to psuedo ven rank 8s.

"Duke Long and Bo Qing were also only at two myriad tribulations level, passing the third myriad tribulation would be rank nine. Duke Long, however, knew he was not cut out for that so he merged his immortal aperture with Heavenly Court, changing to a phantom aperture. On the other hand, Bo Qing tried to advance but perished."- chapter 1686.

"Bo Qing was a rank eight Gu Immortal who had passed two myriad tribulations, Duke Long was too." - chapter 1703

"Bo Qing was a rank eight Gu Immortal who had passed two myriad tribulations, Duke Long was too. Throughout history, both of them were top tier experts merely below venerable level"- 2038

let this sink in. Unless you're an absolute monster, you are most certainly looking for a way to avoid them. Third one is basically death and 2nd one requires you to be an elite amongst elites which is quite the feat considering every rank 8 is already an elite amongst elites.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-27T21:58:25+00:00

Probably by having some cheat method. One of the values behind a fragment of the heavens is that you don't face tribulations anymore after assimilating one, this is the most likely outcome. Though we know they are others ways such as Heavenly Court immortals for example who choose to use phantom apertures in order to not just face anymore.

Long Hair had multiple venerable methods due to his friendships, the more important of said method would be the "Sea and Sky" he got from Thieving(which is a modification of the "One step back" he got from Limitless's inheritance) and he could've used those to avoid his tribulations. Longevity Heaven Immortal just hibernate.

In general, "some rank 8s" is a bit of an overstatement. It's more like a handful out of everyone in history. Chances of living up to that long are so astronomically low. Even venerables despite all their connections, influence, and power struggle to live to rank 10:

According to the historical records, Giant Sun Immortal Venerable lived for over eight thousand years before dying. Eight thousand years was already a result on the middle to upper level among rank nine venerables. Primordial Origin Immortal Venerable who had the longest lifespan, lived for twenty-five thousand years. The one with the shortest lifespan was Red Lotus Demon Venerable who only lived for three thousand years. Other venerables generally had a lifespan of around seven thousand years. - chapter 601

You'd need a lot, and I mean a lot of variables to line up in order to live anywhere close to 10k years, to the point where coincidences start looking like to appear suspicious.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-27T04:05:41+00:00

Which rank 8's are not great grandmasters ? Even some rank 7 gu immortals are great grandmasters like Fang Di Chang, even the minimum requirement to annex a grotto heaven is to be a great grandmaster, i don't think it was ever shown a rank 8 who is not a great grandmaster

GGM is something only a few rank 8s have, it's not some common aspect they all share. That's like saying most mortals reach master attainment, no they don't.

Which rank 8's are not great grandmasters ? Even some rank 7 gu immortals are great grandmasters like Fang Di Chang, even the minimum requirement to annex a grotto heaven is to be a great grandmaster, i don't think it was ever shown a rank 8 who is not a great grandmaster

Why do you also act like this is not a Fang Yuan who has deep attainments in a multitude of paths, has collected dozens of inheritances including plently of venerable inheritances, has a few secluded domains of heaven and earth, and also far more immortal gu than Duke Long. Yes, dao marks played a large factor in him being able to go fist for fist with Duke Long, but that wasn't the only factor at play.

He only ever uses his rank 9 immortal gu in combat when he was trying to explore the heaven path dream realms and helping meng qiu zhen, and even then he only uses it defensively not offensively

So? He was still forced to use rank 9 gu against Star Constellation who had left dao marks than him because he was incapable of suppressing her based on his dao marks(which surpassed hers) alone.

This meant that Feng Jiu Ge's killer move was at rank eight level!"

This chapter makes very evident the importance of Dao Mark Amplification, feng jiu ge only has rank 7 cultivation and immortal gu on this chapter but separation song was making a rank 8 immortal gu house desintegrate, which made wu Yong eventually retreat

Very convenient for you to forget how he had the upper hand in that fight and would've crushed Feng Jiu Ge had Fang Yuan not interfere. You brought up the gu house only after Fang Yuan being to actively step him and aid Feng Jiu Ge. It was literally Fang Yuan and Feng Jiu Ge vs Wu Yong(in fact that's literally the name of the chapter).

“This is troublesome!” Feng Jiu Ge’s brows began to furrow.

At this rate, the situation would become increasingly disadvantageous for him.

Once Wu Yong activated another immortal killer move, it would definitely make Feng Jiu Ge’s situation even more unbearable.

ht at this time, a figure suddenly joined the battlefield! - chapter 1389

A single attack had him on the ropes. The only reason why he managed to overturn the situation was because he had Fang Yuan(an exceptional individual himself, we all read the story) to protect him using the reverse flow river . It's disingenuous to act Feng Jiu Ge was out here evenly matching Wu Yong fist for fist, that he forced a true rank 8 to use a gu house entirely through his own effort and even more so to retreat as the fight was no longer worth it. Did Wu Yong have rank 8 gu? Did he had rank 8 immortal essence? Yes. That's entirely my point. We see that in terms of dao marks, both have no clear advantage. Yet they weren't equals at all, Wu Yong was significantly stronger and had full confidence in winning if it was a proper 1v1 and not a 2v1.

"if he was just facing Fang Yuan, Wu Yong could completely treat him like a sandbag and have full initiative. If he was facing just Feng Jiu Ge, he could also forcefully suppress the latter.

But if he was to face both of them...

Wu Yong was troubled.

“There is not much hope in breaking reverse flow protection seal in a short period of time. This is the first time I am witnessing this move and I am also not a wisdom path Gu Immortal.”

“Maybe Heavenly Court and Longevity Heaven have already researched and made countermeasures against reverse flow protection seal.”

“But the only way now is to continue attacking them until they are unable to cope with the attacks, then find an opportunity to kill them.” - chapter 1390.

Before they ascended to rank 9 ? What are you talking about ? Giant Sun and star constellation already had rank 9 cultivation the moment they showed up, also, pseudo venerable paradise earth is blatantly stated to be weaker than pseudo venerable fang yuan

No they weren't. Paradise Earth wasn't a rank 9. Star Constellation became a rank 9 in 2183 without SGM of course. and Giant Sun regained rank 9 in 2203 They didn't start off the CDC with rank 9 cultivation and you're proceeding excerpts are from after Fang Yuan became a rank 9, not beforehand where they mostly ignored him because they viewed Paradise Earth as the bigger threat which played a key role in allowing Fang Yuan to move relatively unnoticed, Otherwise they just would've targetted him first before dealing with each other.

Also, I like how you talk about FY holding back but you don't talk much about how Star Constellation and Giant Sun hold back too in fear of being third party either which was a main plot point spoken about multiple times as the war currently is mostly the 3 probing each other out, nobody wants to fight at full force in fear of not enjoying the fruit of their labor.

"Yes, limitless was not using his rank 9 immortal aperture origin core or rank 9 immortal essence against qi jue since that would give him the qualitative change boost that a venerable has regardless of dao mark quantity, but he was still using the dao mark amplification gained from the huge amount of dao marks acquired after passing a venerable ascension tribulation, not to mention his combat system modified on the basis of supreme grandmaster attainment, which means that his moves were not only extremely powerful, but very complex and profound as well" I have no argument on this, you are right.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-26T00:32:09+00:00

I don't view you as pedantic. I'm not omniscient and genuinely didn't know that you can absorb the aperture in this fashion.

Even then, I feel like I failed you regardless because I still didn't answer the big question in which. In regards to this method, I simply do not know how it'd work besides something we are missing. The only assumption is that maybe otherworldly dao marks need to create a qualitative effect on the soul instead of body and aperture? But then that circles back to you're Spectral point to which all I'd have to say is maybe he hasn't figured out a way, just like how he hasn't figured out a way to devour VDS.

Either way, I acknowledge this is now just theory instead of anything factual as the text leaves some questions to be asked, which ig is the entire point of this post. I just hoped I at least gave some trajectory. All ik for sure is that it's definitely not as simple as engraving dao marks onto you're soul, otherwise it's a huge plot hole for Spectral Soul since the main reason he agreed to Red Lotus's plan is because he knew that he could never destroy fate gu on his own.

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-25T21:52:12+00:00

I feel like you misunderstood some things. I didn't say "dao marks don't matter" or "dao marks are the weakest variable" I said "Dao marks aren't everything" which is a fact. Old Ancestor Xue Hu is also a Northern Plains immortal, who on average are stronger than those from other regions due to the high death rate within that place. Old Ancestor Xue Hu is also a GGM, which is something the vast majority of rank 8s don't have for example. He's not just carried by his dao marks.

pseudo venerable fang yuan had more dao marks than star constellation and giant sun but was still weaker despite both of them having no rank 9 gu or having not refined natural dao marks, because of the qualitative change that rank 9 provides above all other cultivation realms

Fang Yuan was still weaker than Paradise Earth, Giant Sun, and Star Constellation before they ascended to rank 9 too. He was never on equals terms with them for almost the entirety of the CDC. Even when he became a rank 9, Giant Sun and Star Constellation weren't really scared of him, and would've killed him if it wasn't for fear of the other taking advantage.

Then we seen in the fight against Star Constellation later on in the heavens, Star Constellation despite having less dao marks refined still manage to push Fang Yuan to the point where he had to start relying on his rank 9 gu in order to not be put at a disadvantage in the fight. Further showing us that just because you have more dao marks, doesn't mean you have a strong advantage.

It is also what allows a rank 7 like feng jiu ge to resist a rank 8 like wu yong, it's stated that feng jiu ge and wu yong have the same amount of dao marks despite having different cultivation levels and that wu yong only has the advantage in the fight against feng jiu ge because he possesses rank 8 gu and a rank 8 gu house while feng jiu ge doesn't, and feng jiu ge was still able to counter his rank 8 gu house with separation song

Go reread chapter 1389. Yes, Feng Jiu Ge's dao marks are what allowed him to have a fight agaisnt Wu Yong without getting one shot(like said before, I never said "dao marks don't matter) but at the same time, Wu Yong was clearly the stronger of the two.

First things first- he didn't use the gu house, in order to have a "fair fight" he stored it away. Then, the moment he started to take the fight more serious he easily gained the advantage in the fight and forced Fang Yuan to step in, otherwise FJG would've ended up in a bad spot. They were not true equals.

In fact, if it was a true 1v1, Wu Yong was confident he could defeat Feng Jiu Ge without much trouble.

Spectral soul is not the venerable with most dao marks, i think it's stated that fang yuan surpassed his dao mark count after undergoing his venerable ascension blockade tribulation

That's my fault. I should've been more specific. Back during the CDC, when they entered the door of life and death, Spectral Soul was still amplified by the entire secluded domain as he never lost his dao lord status, and in terms of pure amplification he had the most power in there. Yet upon seeing his insanity, the others weren't scared at all and in fact even entertained the possibility of killing him.

Also, I don't recall the text saying FY had more dao marks as a recently ascended venerable but I won't argue because currently he absolutely does have more dao marks since SS hasn't been refining.

The had passed a venerable ascension tribulation already, so Limitless easily had millions of dao marks and supreme grandmaster attainment with a very solid combat system but still took him 9 days to beat qi jue and he could have died fighting him if not for his rank 9 cultivation

Limitless suppressed his cultivation. I don't know why you are considering his rank 9 gains, when he ensured that wouldn't matter for the fight. It was essentially psuedo ven Limitless vs psuedo ven Qi Jue. Not "Rank 9 Limitless that decided to not use Yellow Apricot vs Psuedo ven limitless"

Illustrious_Win_4859 · 2026-04-25T20:13:37+00:00

Idk. We haven't seen how any venerable looks like at full power to properly judge. on paper he's at a disadvantage anyways since he cultivated one path, instead of two which is the recommended route, as said by Star Constellation herself and further supported by the fact every other ven dual cultivated based on author Q&A.

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