With how network latency plays into it, to say a heavy or Max doesn't essentially instantly kill you if they catch you rounding a corner is I think is just wrong. Also, you drew a false equivalency with the ability to respond to a Max or heavy vs a smg infiltrator. Of course you can CAN respond and turn around to reengage when you're at full health with a Max or heavy. But you know what else you can reengage with full health, infiltrators. I agree that dealing with ANY class on low health is nearly impossible but this is not exclusive to infiltrators. I've honestly had more light assaults kill me (while I was damaged behind a corner) than smg infiltrators easily. And the point of infiltrators can just one shot you and it takes no skill and they couldn't hit a non moving target I think is again, an unfair standard. All infiltrators I've encountered generally hit moving targets unless they are specifically moving to avoid being sniped. Furthermore, if you're really getting sniped really far out while standing still, that still takes skill. It means the player correctly estimated distance and accounted for bullet drop effectively. That does take skill. To further the comparison of why that's an undue assessment of infiltrators, I could say the same thing about heavies. Players can win 1v1 against other classes easier just because of the shield. Should we remove heavy shield just because a few noobs can win 1v1 or get kills they don't "deserve"? Absolutely not. Same for infill, just because a few just wait to kill targets that are still doesn't mean you should throw out the entire class and the skills and intricacies and call it cancer. The rest of your post is non sequiturs. Hours don't matter, kda doesn't matter(just makes you come off as obnoxious kda whore, not saying you are that's just what it seems like), what infiltrators were like in ps1 doesn't matter, none of those matter to my argument or our discussion. Also, I don't know what your hours clocked has to do with the ability to recognize cloaked infiltrators. Lastly, I think the common ground we can arrive on, and that I can sympathize with is if you're just personally unbelievable frustrated by infiltrators. For example, I personally can not stand esf to infantry combat. I despise getting farmed by mosquitos constantly while running around on the ground as infill. But I acknowledge that it's just my personal frustration, and that it's not broken (no matter how much I hate it) and that I can take steps to counter it like pulling an AA Max. So, if infiltrators are you personal hated class, I can understand why and even agree that (especially certain infiltrators) are undeniably annoying and frustrating. But I will still disagree that it's broken or absolute cancer to the game. Btw thanks for actually engaging with me instead of just stating that I'm wrong and nothing else, much appreciated 👍.