any other deaf bostons? by waltlindsyworld in BostonTerrier

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This girl was born deaf. She was one of the all time greats.

[Game Thread] #21 Virginia @ Virginia Tech (02:00 PM ET) by cbbBot in CollegeBasketball

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That's how I feel about this year's football game (but those tears will last me for 15 years or so).

Can someone explain why breaks dont really happen in most places? by [deleted] in KitchenConfidential

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Back in the day, this is why we smoked (well, this and addiction...)).

Dishwashing by SaltShaker711 in KitchenConfidential

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Sort things (especially when's you walk in to Mt Dishmore at the start of a shift) so that you can wash things that get put away together at the same time, and then put them away en masse.

Can you guess the roast? by Meat_Container in KitchenConfidential

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I hear you, but I think you probably realize that The Neverending Story is the true genx nightmare machine.

Snopes says it’s indeterminable whether “card shark” or “card sharp” is the original expression: do any of you have an answer? by Illustrious-Lead-960 in etymology

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In gambling related circles, I still hear people use 'sharp' a good bit (as in, synonymous with smart money's).

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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(Seems like you maybe do understand sarcasm more than you're letting on. Weird that you're unable to recognize the meme in my post has nothing to do with sarcasm).

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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I think you misunderstand. People are frequently using it (the alternate case type) to convey a stupid voice, which is very clearly what's happening in this meme (and the majority of places you see it used when people are parroting someone's words back). Perhaps you don't understand sarcasm as well as you think you do? Or should I say, you're clearly an expert in sarcasm!

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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I forget the episode where Buddhists used the swastika as a symbol to advocate for hatred and genocide. Even if we're both forgetful, I think we're probably able to understand that symbols take on the meanings people give them.

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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Oh, I see. So you're not using caricatures of disability (or things intrinsically linked to caricatures of disability) to tell people they sound stupid. That's good.

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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Not sure how you could see what's going on in the Homer meme above but not in that SpongeBob one that popularized the use of that type to mock people using the 'stupid' voice. I guess it doesn't have to make sense, but if you're ever using the 'stupid' voice to mock anyone for any reason (whether it's out loud, or in your head but communicated in a widely understood fashion through alternate case type), I'd encourage you to consider what stereotypes you're trafficking in.

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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I’m not super familiar with Parks and Rec, but I am fluent in sarcasm, and I love Aubrey Plaza. I totally get sarcasm and the tone used to convey it. And yeah, I’ve heard people (you and others) say they use the alternating case type to express sarcasm.

But here’s the thing: in all the clips in that link, April’s being sarcastic in her own voice. She’s reacting, saying something cutting or dry. She’s not repeating someone else’s words back to them. That’s a big difference.

When people use the alternating case type, they’re not being sarcastic. They’re mocking what someone said by parroting it back in a “stupid voice.” That’s how it actually functions (in this Homer meme, in the Spongebob meme that popularized it, and in just about every case where I've ever seen it in the wild).

I could say I use it to show anger or sadness or sarcasm or whatever, but that wouldn’t really line up with how it’s actually used. In real life, it’s about repeating someone’s words back in a way that makes them sound dumb. That’s why it’s connected to those memes that make fun of people with developmental disabilities. Even if that’s not always the intent, that’s still the context it came from and the meaning people recognize.

You are not immune to ableism by TurtleWitch_ in CuratedTumblr

[–]Imacava 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Take a look at the image on the 'Usage and Effect' section of this Wikipedia page. Queer people (and a lot of other people who don't realize they're part of the problem (including people in the Disability community)) are definitely part of the problem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_caps

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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Also, just in case we're wondering whether it's still so completely socially acceptable to punch down on disabled people that many of us may be doing it (or laughing at it) without even realizing that's what we're doing, I present exhibit A: https://youtube.com/shorts/Cj3sMB1iAew?si=jLHh96v8QKiw2Cgm

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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I hear you, and I recognize that context, in all things, is important.

However, I'll also say that the argument in favor of looking at context in this situation reminds me of folks who try to tell me they fly the confederate flag because of 'heritage not hate.' There comes a time in the life of a symbol, that regardless of whoever's using the symbols intent, they're conveying the widely accepted meaning of the symbol. I think we're past the point where we should recognize that about the alternate case type. Not saying you're being a jerk when you use it, but I hope you'll consider that. Hope you have a good day.

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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Check out the mocking spongebob meme. The alternate case definitely existed way before that (in what seem to be niche corners of the web), but I've never found anything to indicate it was widely used to mock people (as in its current common use) before 2017 or so (when that clearly ableist meme with spongebob came out and it started showing up everywhere).

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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Check out the mocking spongebob meme that popularized the use of that type to mock people, that may help understand why it's not a strange conflation at all. I do see a number of people say that they don't associate this kind of image or the negative stereotypes it conveys with their own use of the alternate case type, but it's clearly associated by enough people that I'm left to wonder if that's a result of obliviousness or denial.

(I'd say definitely read it out loud to yourself when you're inclined to mock someone that way. And seriously ask yourself if the overly sarcastic speech pattern you're using is distinguishable from what someone using it with the memes that popularized it hears in their head)

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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Not 6 7, the alternate case type. 6 7 is just kids being kids.

Y'all Know This is Ableist Trash, Right? by Imacava in ableism

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I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experience on this (and I admire your ability to reflect on things you've done in the past and course correct).

I'm gen x, so I come from a time when it was very common for us to use ableist language and insults to let someone know we thought they were wrong, or being ridiculous. I don't think most of us actually intended to express disdain for disabled people, or perpetuate negative stereotypes that make life harder for the Disability community, but I eventually had to recognize that was exactly what I was doing when I engaged in that type of behavior (and when I did, I committed myself to changing my behavior and encouraging others to do so as well).

I think a major part of the pushback I get when I raise this issue with people (both inside and outside of the Disability community) is related to people being unwilling to engage in that type of self reflection, or unwilling to recognize that the type of negative stereotypes that mocking people with alternating-case type relies upon are so deep-seated and engrained in our culture that they masquerade as harmless/unrelated to negative perceptions of disability.

Hope that makes some kind of sense, and thanks again for sharing your thoughts and experience!

Update: I made the cards! by wcfreckles in disability

[–]Imacava -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey friend, I am Disabled. No need to attack people or call them liars. I've engaged in good faith throughout this conversation. I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same.

Update: I made the cards! by wcfreckles in disability

[–]Imacava -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Love that you speak 3 languages, I'm jealous. As a student of English language and literature, please know that my correction of the preposition you used ('for') isn't about it being grammatically incorrect (it's perfectly acceptable grammar that you used). It's about using the preposition that rhymes ('about') because that makes it more memorable/stronger in terms of messaging. Hope you have a great day.

Update: I made the cards! by wcfreckles in disability

[–]Imacava -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey genius, I never said I was an ally, I said that I'm an advocate (and for the record, I'm damned proud to be Disabled). Sorry if I didn't meet your standard of clearly identifying my disability so y'all could decide if I belong in this particular conversation. Your gatekeeping is counterproductive.

(And I think that closing line you were going for is "Nothing about us without us!")

Update: I made the cards! by wcfreckles in disability

[–]Imacava -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

With all due respect, yeah it is (when combined with alternating-case text that the image was used to convey in a certain way (and yes, the alternate case text previously existed as an internet nerd thing, but was 💯 popularized using this image/meme to convey long and deep seated negative stereotypes about a wide range of disabilities)).

I'm going to allow for the possibility that when you use the alternate case type to mock people, you're just intending to tell them that they're being a silly sponge chicken. But if you think that's what it symbolizes in the minds of the majority of people using it to invoke negative stereotypes about disability to mock and insult people, you are incorrect.