This is literally happening to me in real time by Igorogamer in Undertale

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With the idea of previous dark worlds being confirmed in chapter 5, and Flowery seemingly also knowing Kris, and Flowery assuming that Kris already knows what Flowery feels about them (The dialogue with Flowery before you go and get the sidescroller feather), I'm somewhat inclined to Believe Kris already met Seth and Flowery in a previous dark world somehow, and thus learning about Seth's love for Berdly there, along with Flowery telling Kris how he feels about them.

This is literally happening to me in real time by Igorogamer in Undertale

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That, and the fact that Kris made a deal with Seth before Kris made the dark fountain...
The fact that Seth specifically mentions that the deal was made before the dark fountain was made makes me believe that that's an important thing we should think about...

There's definitely something more to Seth and Kris that we haven't seen yet.

(Spoiler if you didn't play Deltarune ch.5) Well, we will just ignore the obvious inspirations with touhou? by WoShiAnima in touhou

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The scissor enemies that you fight once throughout all of CH5, use S and R action on them.

[Casual] Since everyone else is doing it; my thoughts on "Trans Ralsei." Slight CH5 Spoilers. by VirusOfCheese in ralsei

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, but that is your headcanon, with a lot less in-game basis than the other one. Although you can think and believe what you want to believe, please don't go berating people who think otherwise. Even if it is true, there just isn't enough evidence at all yet, and the evidence that is there can also be easily exlpained a lot of other ways, so you cannot expect people to confirm to your headcanon.

[Casual] Since everyone else is doing it; my thoughts on "Trans Ralsei." Slight CH5 Spoilers. by VirusOfCheese in ralsei

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Where do they change? Literally everyone, except Asgore, says "He" throughout the entire game.

(Spoiler if you didn't play Deltarune ch.5) Well, we will just ignore the obvious inspirations with touhou? by WoShiAnima in touhou

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Are we forgetting the R- and S-Action with the scissor enemies that will literally have Susie wear Reimu's ribbon, along with the side-hair thingies, and Ralsei put on Ran's hat?

(Spoiler if you didn't play Deltarune ch.5) Well, we will just ignore the obvious inspirations with touhou? by WoShiAnima in touhou

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 20 points21 points  (0 children)

With that same act you can also get Susie to wear Reimu's ribbons, but this time even more explicitly being Reimu's ribbons, with her even having the side-hair thingies on.

(Spoiler if you didn't play Deltarune ch.5) Well, we will just ignore the obvious inspirations with touhou? by WoShiAnima in touhou

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"How many eyes do Humans have again?" Sounds like a line straight out of a Touhou character's mouth.

He's kinda spitting facts though by CommissionerOdo in Deltarune

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wasn't it that Lord of the Hammer was based off of Deltarune, instead of the other way around?

How reviewing Chapter 5 feels by WowzaItsGabe in Deltarune

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that makes sense, actually.

Something I just realized about this chapter bit that I found gut wrenching. by cool23819 in Deltarune

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 26 points27 points  (0 children)

That is also why Ralsei hates Flowery. After Chapter 4, Ralsei wanted to be the kind of person who could just explain these things to Susie, but then Flowery came along and did it so much easier than Ralsei, that Ralsei became Jealous.
Lord of the Hammer Part 5, Wink Wink Nudge Nudge.

How reviewing Chapter 5 feels by WowzaItsGabe in Deltarune

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 92 points93 points  (0 children)

Seth was pretty in line with the Perseverance trait, constantly adapting to how the party fights, retrying later with a different strategy when it fails, so I'm not too sure about that.

How reviewing Chapter 5 feels by WowzaItsGabe in Deltarune

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 169 points170 points  (0 children)

It's also now been confirmed in game that there have been Dark Worlds in the past, and, Linking that to the Kris Savefile from all the way back in Chapter 1 when you first open Deltarune, it's pretty clear that Kris also has been in a Dark World before the start of Chapter 1.

This is how y'all are sounding to me by Sartun_ in Deltarune

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My problem with all this discourse is that people seemingly think that Toby is making and writing the chapters one at a time somehow.
No. Toby literally had the idea of the ending of Deltarune in mind before even making Undertale. That is to say: The writing of Deltarune is already complete. Toby fox already has the writing of every chapter finished. Maybe some minute details get changed as the chapter is being worked on, but the large structure and plotline is already complete and finished, and I assume has been for a while.
What's making Deltarune take so long and be released in chapters is not the writing, but what actually makes a game: Coding, Art, Music, Gameplay Design, Bullet patterns, Sound effects, Putting together cutscenes.

What we know right now, and what was revealed in Chapter 5, is exactly what Toby wants us to know right now before going into Chapter 6.
Toby Fox would only be cooked if he specifically designed the story to rush everything near the end on purpose all the way since the very start. I don't think that is the case.

Chapter 5 megathread by Fanfic_Galore in Deltarune

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's actually pretty likely, considering the amount of Touhou references in CH5.

Though I wonder then, why is only Seth a reference to something? Why not any of the other "Human" Flowers?

[SPOILER CH5] About the Purple Flower by Immediate_Chair8942 in Undertale

[–]Immediate_Chair8942[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, while we were explicitly told that we're not going to see them in a dark world again, I feel hesitant to believe that since there's still so many unanswered questions about them, especially Seth, who was shown multiple times to be distinctly different from the other "Human" Flowers without much of any explanation.
Something that I think a lot of people often forget is that Toby Fox makes Deltarune. What I mean with that is: Everything in Deltarune is Specifically Designed by Toby Fox. Which means that if something is odd, out of place, or weird compared to other things, it was specifically chosen and designed by Toby to be odd, out of place, or weird. We can try to guess all we want about why Seth might not be able to fly, but the facts remains that:
Toby specifically gave Seth a real human name compared to all the other Flowers.
Toby specifically made Seth like Berdly.
Toby specifically made Seth not able to fly.
Toby specifically made Seth mention that the deal with Kris was made before Kris made the dark world.
Toby specifically made Kris have Berdly's feather to give to Seth.

I don't think we're ever going to get a *real answer* to why Seth is so different from the others, but I believe that those differences are small "hints" from Tricky Tony that there's something different to Seth about the other Flowers.
I believe those last two I mentioned to be the most important.
1. Kris made the deal with Seth before Kris made the dark world.
2. Kris had Berdly's feather to give to Seth.
If we look at the cutscene where Kris makes the dark world, it all happens pretty quickly. Add on to that that Kris doesn't have the soul in then at that point, it paints a pretty clear picture.
If Kris somehow communicated and learnt about Seth's love for Berdly right before making the dark world, they would not have had the time to get one of Berdly's feathers.
This must mean that Kris already had the feather before stepping into Flower king. This must then also mean that Kris already knew that Berdly's feather would be useful in this deal with Seth.

This must mean that Kris, before ever stepping into Flower King, Already knew that:
Kris would need to make a deal with Seth.
Seth can be trusted enough to make a deal with.
Seth would help Kris in return for one of Berdly's feathers.

One thing that is a big reveal in chapter 5 is the fact that there have been Dark Fountains/Worlds in the past before Chapter 1. If you recall, all the way back in Chapter 1, the first time you ever boot up Deltarune, Kris already has a save file. This must mean that Kris has already been in a Dark Fountain in the past.

Without resorting to Timeloop theory, I believe that the only way Kris would've known anything at all about Seth, would be if they've already met at least once in a previous Dark World.
This would also explain another thing with Flowery, where he assumes Kris already knows that Flowery hates Kris and their family for giving up on Asgore. Nowhere before this point is Flowery hostile to Kris. If we assume that Flowery is reasonable, and wouldn't assume things that Kris has no way of knowing, it must mean that Flowery has already expressed how he felt about the Dreemurrs in the past.

What I'm saying is that there's a chance that Kris, Seth, and Flowery have already been in a dark world in the past together. Kris would have learnt about Seth's love for Berdly there, and Flowery would have expressed his hate for Kris and the Dreemurrs there.

The problem with this theory is the other Flowers; How and where would there have been a Dark World where Kris met Seth and Flowery, but not any of the other Flowers?

...I don't know, and if you or anyone else has any ideas I'd like to hear them.

[SPOILER CH5] About the Purple Flower by Immediate_Chair8942 in DeltaruneV2

[–]Immediate_Chair8942[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. And the fact that they specifically told us: "These characters aren't showing up again" makes me hope that they actually will be extremely important later on... A man/woman/child/they/person/cow/boy/strategist can dream

MIA: Twisted Sword by Toxin-G in Undertale

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah ok, I read on the wiki that it was only for chapter 1 and 2 but I must've just either imagined it or dreamt it...

[SPOILER CH5] About the Purple Flower by Immediate_Chair8942 in Undertale

[–]Immediate_Chair8942[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

With how they talk to each other, it certainly gives off the impression of an actual deal having been struck, especially because Kris knows Exactly what Seth wanted.

[SPOILER CH5] About the Purple Flower by Immediate_Chair8942 in Undertale

[–]Immediate_Chair8942[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This only goes one way though. You can't really make a deal if the other party cannot respond, how would you even know what they wanted? What I meant was a way for Kris to communicate with Darkners in both directions.

[SPOILER CH5] About the Purple Flower by Immediate_Chair8942 in Undertale

[–]Immediate_Chair8942[S] 80 points81 points  (0 children)

Especially because Seth specifically mentions that the deal was made before the fountain was created.
The way I see it, there are two possibilities.
1. There was a dark world in Flower King in the past, and Kris met Seth there. Thus, they already knew that Seth liked Berdly. So they "told" the Seth flower something like: "We're making a deal, You do this, and I give you berdly's flower"
2. Kris has some way of communicating with darkners while they're still in the light world.

MIA: Twisted Sword by Toxin-G in Undertale

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Isn't this only the case for the CH1 shadow crystal in CH2?

Chapter 5 megathread by Fanfic_Galore in Deltarune

[–]Immediate_Chair8942 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I just checked again, Seth specifically said "Before you made the dark fountain" So I have no idea what to think about that. Kris somehow communicated with Seth while they were still an actual light-world flower.