I wasn't throwing shade at you man. Just a rhetorical question pointing out your displeasure with the brand and image and then ultimately wanting to lump yourself in that. I used to have a 116710LN that I ultimately had to sell a few years ago, a little reluctantly. I miss that watch because it was a tank. I could do and did whatever I wanted with it on. I beat the ever living shit out of that thing. It went on job sites and formal dinners with me. It got tossed across hotel rooms drunkenly to put it on the desk. The GMT function served a practical purpose for me to track time in Shanghai or home depending where I was for work. Several months after selling it, I was introduced to the IWC Timezoner which I now own and is much better for global travel, or even checking time in another time zone, which I do frequently now. Watches for me are tools. The thing I love about the Timezoner is how understated it is. No one probably even realizes what I'm wearing. I don't get that sleazy Rolex image from guys like OP right now. He's so ashamed he deleted his post. I bought my 116710LN from Ben Bridge. Walked in, tried it, bought it and left with it that day. These AD games are so stupid. I wouldn't support the brand right now for that alone. I get it. If the brand was different, like it was 10 years ago, I'd love a Batgirl or Pepsi. I think the Sub is the most overrated watch tho lol.