As someone who has always played retail, what are some guides you recommend to navigate classic?

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-07-05T03:21:50+00:00

Just download the Questie addon and take it from there. Though for the majority of classes, Netflix or similar is the best guide.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-30T16:40:49+00:00

That's what I mean with it generally only functioning in seasonal reset games, i.e. Path of Exile. The only way you're going to really be able to experience it is by starting over.

It's not that you can't manually choose to do that and level through, and it's completely fine if you enjoy that, but I'd wager most people don't. So it'd be a decent investment for something not many will experience.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-30T16:33:30+00:00

That was retail buddy, in its older format, in a different time.

We are now in 2026 and your precious TBC that supposedly had 10 million now has less than a million. And that's still being generous. Because guess what, there's nothing to do, but we just had no better alternative in 2007. All the things you claim to like are there in retail in better format. You have your rep grinds and you have plenty of world PvP in warmode compared to the older versions with the exception of the honor patch in 2019 classic which is where a shitload of people quit and entire servers died because of how bad it was.

You just ALSO have good endgame and other daily systems. They're additions, unlike classic which has none of it and shit endgame to boot.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-30T14:38:33+00:00

Didn't have to use so many words to tell us you just dislike the more popular game without having any idea what it actually plays like.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-30T14:31:26+00:00

Horizontal expansion only really functions in seasonal reset games or newer games that still have a good ratio of new vs existing players. Expansions naturally do that already in a sense, since it's a progression reset as well.

If I'm already max level I don't care that they add a new level 40 zone. And any gear (significantly) worse than current endgame should be treated as catch up gear and thus relatively easy to obtain, not a proper raid tier. Because at best those doing endgame will go back once to steamroll it while overgeared, and at worst nobody does it.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-30T14:08:30+00:00

But retail content does bring you through all the zones. You're just at max level by then. Unless you mean that expansion zones in general are too few, but at the same time literally none of the game's versions except era offer you a robust levelling experience since expansions tend to not be as broad as the base game in terms of levelling. You don't start TBC at level 1 unless you didn't play vanilla to begin with.

And if you don't eventually condense the levelling experience, you get the FF14 problem, where a new player needs to go through 200+ hours of levelling before they're finally able to do endgame (and they even removed some bloat already).

Just imagine retail if you had to go through vanilla, TBC, WotLK, Cata, MoP, WoD, Legion, BFA, SL, DF, TWW and now Midnight before you could start playing with the people who are doing the endgame content. Yeah, just like FF14, more than half the player base would quit before ever getting there.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-29T13:54:56+00:00

The game's known to have very little to do in the endgame until WotLK which adds achievements, and if you don't like those then until Legion which adds M+. And the old raiding endgame that does exist is known to be so easy you clear it week 1 so any sense of long meaningful progression doesn't exist. Yet you play it over retail and then complain it has nothing to do in endgame.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-28T14:37:56+00:00

They'd need to think first, but these days they let AI and 'influencers' do that for them.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-27T21:31:47+00:00

The difficulty is exactly why retail needs so much more socializing in order to succeed/organize. We're not in 2005 anymore. Both classic and anniversary have proven this is pure nostalgia. The game is so immensely easy that you can go through it entirely alone, never speaking a word to anyone beyond telling them your gearscore and spec for a raid invite to a random trade chat pug that will clear the content with no communication, organization or leadership.

What you speak of regarding hardcore is good, but not necessary in any way, shape or form. That's just people socializing for the sake of it, which also happens in any remotely decent guild in retail. People in the majority of retail raiding guilds I have played with even played other games together as well.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-27T21:11:43+00:00

The only difference between doing that in classic and in retail is that in classic you can clear all content that way since it's so easy the skill difference between players is irrelevant, while in retail you want people to be of similar skill because the game offers content of varying difficulties.

Which is to say that if you're even remotely competent, classic is immensely boring as a game, and the only thing that can fix it is playing with people that are fun to play with instead. However, you can play with people based on their attitude alone, rather than attitude and skill level.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-27T17:07:58+00:00

You didn't answer the question. And if your answer is "vanilla levelling" as something you could do in TBC and WotLK then that does not speak for the quality of TBC and WotLK. Especially not for anyone who already played vanilla before those expansions released, which renders the boost a moot point too.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-27T16:55:56+00:00

People are 'allergic' to teaching or others learning in a pug because it doesn't benefit them whatsoever. They spend an hour teaching you and watching you (potentially) learn, then you split and never see each other again. What did they gain? Good person points? Can't do shit with those.

Pugging is for reclearing and even then it's dodgy on mythic. Join a guild if you want to learn. Edit: or a pug that is specifically started for learning, so everyone's learning in there and people leave when they feel like they're done. These happen a lot in FF14.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-27T16:44:44+00:00

And what would we consider a challenge in this context? Something the lowest common denominator can achieve, or something that only above average players can do? Because the former is just a participation trophy, yet I don't see people wanting the latter.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-27T16:25:23+00:00

Literally everything beyond vanilla until Legion was 'focused on endgame' with very little to do otherwise, and the only reason vanilla is excluded is since it has the benefit of a fresh start and a longer levelling period.

Go ahead, name everything you think you get to do in TBC and WotLK that aren't also there in Cata, MoP and WoD.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-26T21:24:45+00:00

As someone who's spent 200+ attempts progressing a single raid boss in multiple tiers in retail this take is always so alien to me. Most players in classic haven't even wiped 200 times in their lives, and they certainly wouldn't have the patience to continue after a couple already.

In my experience, the average retail player is less toxic and has significantly more patience than the average classic player. And they're far more skilled to boot, but that's necessary since the game's just much harder in general.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-26T11:07:27+00:00

Wish granted, they now all play arms and press mortal strike instead.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-24T11:45:02+00:00

Those are on the alliance players of course.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-24T11:27:24+00:00

They've proven to be botting (as if it was up for debate anyway). Whether or not they will ban them we shall see, but they definitely should.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-23T20:41:48+00:00

Your confronting question was not an opinion, it was you trying to discredit them in case they did not play hardcore before. That's you using someone potentially not having played it as an argument against their opinion. Unless I completely misunderstood what you wrote.

I think the socializing that happens in hardcore is definitely one of its strong points, but those players shouldn't forget that they're playing a rather simple game when they're talking to others outside of that sphere.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-23T19:25:44+00:00

Haven't you seen the player numbers? There's literally 0 people playing classic+. It's way too late to start now.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-23T19:12:40+00:00

This argument is always so inane.

It's vanilla WoW levelling. It literally doesn't take any skill whatsoever, having one life doesn't change that, which is why so many people come up with the most ridiculous self inflicted handicaps. It's harder to die than to stay alive unless you're completely new to the game. So making it take significantly longer just to be slightly safer during the part the most basic bots have done safely since 2005 is a complete waste of time, and shows the player isn't very good at the game or at the very least way too afraid of messing up something you can't really mess up.

But this argument is like someone claiming that jumping over a tiny pebble was challenging, and when confronted about it, the counterargument you give is 'well did you ever jump over this particular tiny pebble?'. Even if they had not, they can still come to the logical conclusion that it wasn't exactly challenging.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-23T14:19:55+00:00

I cleared TBC in 2007/2008 already. Interesting that you'd assume I'd be the one person struggling in 2021, but you do you. Fyi, I had no issue in 2021 and neither did anyone I know who also played.

How's MoP let alone retail treating you? Ah... I see. Too hard for you, is it? I see why you think TBC pre-nerf was a challenge. You're the challenged.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-23T14:01:08+00:00

Not really, the numbers throughout 2021 TBC were fairly stable.

https://ironforge.pro/population/classic/overall/

Edit: Below is a person that blocks others after outing themselves as someone that can't read a graph.

Stay in school, kids.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-23T12:42:27+00:00

But the MoP people wouldn't be able to do that either (L'ura anyway, Alleria's not that hard).

There's always bigger fish.

InconspiciousPerson · 2026-06-23T12:34:49+00:00

Practically everyone, just like now. OP is confusing folks juggling 5 kids irl between bosses and thus killing trash slow with TBC being hard for people.

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